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A career ending mistake

755 点作者 ramimac大约 3 年前

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duxup大约 3 年前
I changed careers at 40+ years old. I&#x27;m very happy that I did it.<p>People have all sorts of constructs &#x2F; ideas about how careers work (based on experience) or how they think it works, or how they want it to work. I talk to some college graduates who tell me what they&#x27;re planning for and have ZERO clue what industry they&#x27;re talking about, their description is unrecognizable to me ... even tho I know it is the one I work in.<p>I find your experience and paths can vary greatly company to company, even job to job.<p>We all find truths we want to hold on to about work. I recall trips to the valley where my coworkers where astonished to hear tales of people doing the same work they did, but doing it slightly differently elsewhere in the country. Their view of how that job was done was entirely shaped by the couple places they worked (and everyone seemed to cycle through those couple companies). You&#x27;d think these folks though that if you didn&#x27;t fill out the TPS report right to left that the world would end... I&#x27;m pretty sure the vast majority of people fill them out left to right but I didn&#x27;t feel like telling them that, it might have been too much for them to handle.<p>&quot; I think there are three main kinds of career destination, at least in the tech industry:<p><pre><code> Independent Senior individual contributor (IC) Management</code></pre> &quot;<p>I have no idea why those are the only destinations ... for an article worried about being happy that seems kind of limited.<p>The whole article feels very pie in the sky to me.
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giantg2大约 3 年前
&quot;It&#x27;s not surprising, then, that many of us find ourselves in less than fully satisfying jobs, with doubtful or non-existent prospects for advancement.&quot;<p>Very true. I can&#x27;t wait for my career to be over. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll ever find the position where I feel I belong, so I&#x27;ll just be miserable anywhere now that I know how broken the system really is.
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noisy_boy大约 3 年前
&gt; I think there are three main kinds of career destination, at least in the tech industry:<p>&gt; Independent<p>&gt; Senior individual contributor (IC)<p>&gt; Management<p>I guess I&#x27;ll stick my neck out and just admit that I don&#x27;t want to give any more fucks about any of the above and just wake up, sip my tea, read the news and take a bloody nap whenever I want to. Also volunteering&#x2F;open source but mostly, not doing things I don&#x27;t want to do any more. Yep, I don&#x27;t want to be &quot;incredibly excited&quot; about the &quot;next growth chapter of my life&quot; - I just want to live my life in a non-agile way without sprinting towards the end of it. That is about it.
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tdumitrescu大约 3 年前
Feels like the &quot;senior IC&quot; role described in this article corresponds mainly to today&#x27;s &quot;3-5 years of experience &#x27;senior&#x27; engineer&quot; roles. The reality that I&#x27;ve seen and experienced is that advancing beyond that on an IC track means a lot more people&#x2F;political work, rather than constant &quot;hands on keyboard&quot; coding as described in the article. It&#x27;s not the same as management, but it&#x27;s inevitably more meetings and evangelizing your ideas.
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Jaruzel大约 3 年前
I hate my job. I don&#x27;t know how I got here.<p>Like many I started out in small scale IT just as desktop computers were becoming a thing. I transitioned from mainframe support to desktop support, from there I worked through several desktop support roles, wishing I was server support but never managing to get there... over time I became a desktop architect, and then infrastructure architect, and now well.... I just don&#x27;t know.<p>I have meetings, I write documents. I offer sage advice on best practice. That&#x27;s it. It&#x27;s not IT anymore, it&#x27;s just make-work.<p>If I knew my middle-career years would be like this, I would have <i>never</i> started in IT in the first place[1].<p>However... I work 100% remotely, and I LIKE that. I&#x27;ve been a remote worker for a decade now, and I just couldn&#x27;t go back to commuting or being in an office.<p>So, I have no idea what to do[2].<p>I&#x27;m not really soliciting for advice (but feel free!), I&#x27;m just venting I guess.<p>---<p>[1] I had a chance at the very beginning to become a Forensic Scientist at New Scotland Yard for the Police. I turned it down. Often I wonder if I made the wrong choice.<p>[2] Computers are the <i>only</i> thing I&#x27;m good at.
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crrndngmstk大约 3 年前
To me, this reveals an uncomfortable truth:<p>- I know I&#x27;m not technically skilled enough to make it to the higher levels of IC<p>- I know I lack the people skills &amp; charisma to make it to the higher levels of management<p>I&#x27;m aware I can improve in both and I accept that, to some extent, it&#x27;s a laziness and confidence issue. But to some people it seems to come naturally and it&#x27;s hard not to assume I&#x27;m in the majority that aren&#x27;t exceptional.
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ChrisMarshallNY大约 3 年前
As it so happens, this resonates with me.<p>All through my professional life, I lived frugally, saved as much as I possibly could, made conservative, yet not &quot;bunker mentality,&quot; investments, and avoided personal debt like the plague. Being exactly where I am today, has always been a goal.<p>I also made sure that every job I did, <i>shipped</i>. I sometimes had to &quot;<i>hode by dose</i>&quot;, as it passed by, on its way out the door, but I became habituated to <i>shipping</i>. As a manager, I never stopped coding, but it had to be shunted to &quot;nights and weekends.&quot; Again, I always <i>shipped</i>; even my open-source work. In fact, I designed, curated, and eventually turned over, a project that has become a world-standard infrastructure, used by thousands, around the world. It&#x27;s really still in its infancy, even though I started it in 2008-2009.<p>I was fortunate to work for a company that is absolutely <i>crazy</i> about Quality, and I learned to have an ethos of personal Integrity, which has worked out quite well. My fiscal conservatism also worked out nicely in my management career.<p>Then, when my company finally wound up the department I led, and no one would hire me, I happened to have plenty set aside to retire. I&#x27;m not happy about being forced into it, but I am happy that it happened, despite my best efforts.<p>I have been able to pivot -fairly easily-, to a lone-wolf programmer (even though I spent my entire career in fairly diverse and large teams), and I found folks that like the kind of software I write, so my habit of <i>ship</i> is already paying dividends (not really. I don&#x27;t make a dime, and that&#x27;s just fine with me).
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hnthrowaway0315大约 3 年前
Adding comments while reading:<p>&gt; Most of us, in fact, don&#x27;t really know what we want to do with our working lives until we&#x27;re more or less doing it.<p>I can relate. Approaching 40 and I still change the definition of what I &quot;want to do&quot; from time to time. This in part results from my childhood experience in which my parents make important judgements, in part results from my own weakness (not perseverant enough and always back down when boredom and&#x2F;or difficulty strike).<p>Basically I find myself distracted by all sorts of things (game dev? cool! reverse engineering? cool! embedded system? cool! writing an interpreter? cool!) but only scratching the surface for all of them. Yes it might be OK because they are just hobbies, and I can do whatever I want with hobbies, but deep in my heart I still admire those who can drill deep even for hobbies.<p>&gt; What we&#x27;re really talking about is the aim or goal of your career.<p>Actually I believe there is one thing that is potentially more important: How do we plan the end of our philosophical life? That is, when do we be content enough and say to ourselves: &quot;OK if I die now, I can at least say that I have done something this life and did not waste all of my time&quot;. Reflecting on that, I have to say that if I were to die now, I probably believe that all of my life is wasted. Against this is just personal and everyone has one&#x27;s own version of &quot;wasted&quot;.<p>******* Overall I think this is a well written piece, but the hard-core question is: Do you know yourself?
onion2k大约 3 年前
<i>If you love what you&#x27;re doing now and don&#x27;t ever want to change jobs, great: you&#x27;ve reached the end of your career, even if it plays out over many decades.</i><p>Even if you love what you do and you don&#x27;t want to change anything, the world around you is going to have other ideas. <i>Especially</i> in tech.
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gregfjohnson大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m 67, and am in the final stages of my career. This article resonated, and made a lot of sense based on my own personal experiences. Early in my career, my head was full of fantasies and ambitions about entrepreneurship, being a founder, being a leader, etc. It took a long while for me to realize that I am not a leader, and am much more of an individual contributor. It was liberating to accept my true nature, and to go with it. If you are lucky enough to have a job that you find interesting on most days, that turns out to be a tactical advantage: you will spend more time learning, thinking about things, and improving your ability to contribute effectively. If you are lucky enough to have a job where you feel like you are making the world a better place in some meaningful way, that can be surprisingly fulfilling. At the age of 50 I did a career direction change and took a new job doing embedded software for medical devices. Been doing it ever since, and find my life to be rich and meaningful. Anecdote: our twin granddaughters (now 4) were born about 6 weeks premature, and spent over a month in the UCLA NICU. We all spent a lot time there. Next to every incubator was an Avea neonatal ventilator, a product that I had written a lot of software for. Nowadays I&#x27;m working at a medical device startup that&#x27;s working on next-gen radiation treatment for cancer patients. Software people are blessed at this point in history, in that we have a lot of options. You can make good money, support your family and provide for retirement etc., while at the same time doing something that you enjoy and find meaningful. It was kinda terrifying for me to take a leap into the unknown mid-career and start doing something that I believed in, but it worked out well. (I have a small sample size, i.e., one, so I don&#x27;t know what the odds are here. Your mileage may vary; no guarantees implied or otherwise, just one data point for your consideration.)
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IceMichael大约 3 年前
What such articles lack is that they assume anyone could do anything, but that&#x27;s just not true.<p>To become a really well-paid, influential developer (IC called here, I think), you need to be smart, so that others that are also smart acknowledge you as a very skilled developer. Plus, it&#x27;s probably not enough to be very smart (which in itself most people are not), but you need some level of politics that is always necessary.<p>For managers, it&#x27;s also not a default that promotion will just come with years being somewhere, just untrue.<p>I would say, although depressing, some people in the industry just don&#x27;t have <i>it</i> to be successful enough in anything to feel great at their job and there is not always a way to change this. I would never fingerpoint to anyone and say &quot;he cannot make it&quot;, I would probably not even recognise that person (apart from myself) but I would say they take up a great portion, unfortunately.<p>Today&#x27;s environment enforces performance. Those who cannot perform, will have a hard time...
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danity大约 3 年前
A long time ago, after interviewing for months, I finally landed my first job as a developer. It was VERY hard to get your foot in the door back then. On my first day, I was given someone&#x27;s old computer that had a bunch of junk on it. While cleaning it up, I accidentally deleted all files on the company&#x27;s file share. Shortly after, I started hearing murmurs of missing files and then, panicking inside, realized what I had done.<p>The IT guy came by and asked me if I had done it, but I played dumb. He knew it was me but he couldn&#x27;t prove it, so I survived that one. He gave me dirty looks from that point forward though. I surely would have been fired on the spot if the truth were uncovered.
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fleddr大约 3 年前
The article is Schwarzenegger-style motivational nonsense.<p>That sounds a lot more harsh than I want to, as the advise in itself is solid. Yes, you should very much plan for happiness if you can.<p>The problem is the silent majority that actually doesn&#x27;t want a career. At all. They work out of necessity, not to find meaning. They just want to live. American optimism has slowly and carefully made this attitude unacceptable to express, hence the silent majority.<p>But the underlying reality is still there. People don&#x27;t want to work. That&#x27;s why you pay them. If you believe the people at your work are there for meaning and joy, give them fuck-you-money and see how you find yourself alone the next day.<p>If I may turn a bit morbid for a minute, I&#x27;ve attended too many death beds already. I&#x27;ve never heard any of them spend a single breath on work or career. Isn&#x27;t that telling, if work is supposedly purpose and meaning, and you spent most of your life on it, it&#x27;s not even worth mentioning?<p>Anyways, it&#x27;s still solid advise to switch to a field or role that fits you, in case it currently doesn&#x27;t. The problem is, work sucks everywhere. It&#x27;s not the field or the actual tasks, it&#x27;s other things. You have no control over your time, your colleagues, the quality of management, and most of your time is spent on reporting and communicating rather than actually working or doing things that bring actual joy.<p>Everything is factory-like, financialized, metric porn. Even the academic world is like this now, and so are non-profits.
KineticLensman大约 3 年前
&gt; I think there are three main kinds of career destination, at least in the tech industry:<p>&gt; Independent<p>&gt; Senior individual contributor (IC)<p>&gt; Management<p>Sales is an obvious omission.
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dhairya大约 3 年前
A couple things that come to mind with this article. My own journey has been quite nonlinear both in terms of roles (business systems analyst -&gt; data analyst -&gt; technical project manager -&gt; data scientist -&gt; AI research scientist) and environments (F100 -&gt; academia -&gt; startups). My undergrad (creative writing and social sciences) would not have predicted my current role (Senior AI researcher focusing on deep learning and NLP) and I still have no idea where I want to end up.<p>It can be hard to imagine and project your potential. Often our journeys are not linear and we have hard time factoring who we will be in future as sum of our experiences. Often that growth in knowledge and life experiences will be exponential even though to us it may feel linear in the present.<p>I also find it useful to think about problems instead roles. I&#x27;ve had roles that didn&#x27;t exist 10 years ago and likewise new problem spaces are always emerging. Problems don&#x27;t necessarily have to be domain specific or role specific but generally describe the types of challenges you find interesting. Once I identify a problem space I start to think about how I would like to make an impact and how I can currently make an impact. Sometimes the two are the same and other times they are different and require a journey to get there.<p>But I find the metaphor of problems interesting because it helps align the type of work I do with the things I find interesting at any given point. It also helps narrow the search space for opportunities and ensure what type of career growth is meaningful for you.
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AlbertCory大约 3 年前
I came to realize the wisdom of a quote from a truly bad movie:<p>“Everything ends badly, otherwise, it wouldn’t end.” ---Bryan Flanagan from “Cocktail”. [1]<p>I had to look that up as part of my due diligence for this post. The more you know.<p>Occasionally a sports career ends with hitting a homer in Game Seven of the World Series (David Ross of the 2016 Cubs). Most of the time, not.<p>You want to have the sweet we&#x27;ll-still-be-friends breakup with your spouse, but it really ends in divorce court with you hating each other.<p>So don&#x27;t feel remorse that it ends badly. That&#x27;s life.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.capegazette.com&#x2F;blog-entry&#x2F;everything-ends-badly-derrick-mason-turns&#x2F;18116" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.capegazette.com&#x2F;blog-entry&#x2F;everything-ends-badly...</a>
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zwieback大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m going the senior IC route, I would add to the description in the article that the job usually comes with an expectation of technical leadership and mentoring and&#x2F;or helping to steer management. I spend hardly any time in general meetings but do spend some time building consensus around technical decisions.
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lvl100大约 3 年前
I once took a job that I regretted taking on the very first day. I contemplated quitting that same day but stuck it out for many years thereafter. Turns out staying in that job WAS the career ending mistake. It killed my career, family life and even health. It takes a lot of effort to recover from these career mistakes even if you have spectacular resume and background. Number one rule in avoiding this is to never take such a job in the first place.
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vmception大约 3 年前
The summary here is that people don&#x27;t know what they want.<p>They have overly simplistic ideas of what they want.<p>There are ways to take greater control, or to more quickly concede that there is no control if the sacrifices are not tolerable, to you.
rurban大约 3 年前
&quot;You can&#x27;t stop the waves, as the saying goes, but you can learn to surf. Chance favours the prepared mind.&quot;<p>Never underestimate such innocent looking sentences. I&#x27;ve learned surfing with 40. Surfing is by far the hardest craft to learn. You only have a few seconds on a wave, and hardly get anyone, esp. in crowded surfs. You need at least 5 years to get decent at it. But it&#x27;s really worth it. I&#x27;m missing it a lot.
jimmaswell大约 3 年前
I just want to work from home 9-5 without too much stress and have enough money and time to do what I want outside of it. Thankfully looks like I&#x27;ve already reached the end of my career as the article calls it pretty early.
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magicroot75大约 3 年前
As someone who went from managing three people at a high profile ad agency account to going back to IC. I&#x27;d like to say: It&#x27;s so much more complicated that what this article lays out.<p>I was asked to train three totally green hires after only 3 months on the job myself. It was terrible. And I quit. But I loved the agency I was at. And I might love managing people under more sane circumstances. Now I&#x27;m an IC making more money with no reports and I&#x27;m back to being someone else&#x27;s junior.<p>These things move quickly and I feel like keeping your eyes open is more important than placing oneself into a broad category of &quot;career end.&quot; It&#x27;s not as if roles are static and these things are defined as you go. Roles morph and people and projects come and go. Flexibility is more important than having an end in minds. Having an &#x27;end &#x27; is a fools errand. And is what encourages people to sit in shitty jobs because their boss promised them they &quot;get what theyre looking for&quot; just in a year or so.
mbrodersen大约 3 年前
I never considered my “career” as part of my life goals. I always navigate based on happiness. When I wasn’t happy doing what I was doing I tried something else. We all have an inner compass that will guide us in the right direction, if we allow ourselves to listen to it instead of following the expectations of others. It works remarkably well if you let it.
robwwilliams大约 3 年前
I stopped reading at this point:<p>“If you love what you&#x27;re doing now and don&#x27;t ever want to change jobs, great: you&#x27;ve reached the end of your career, even if it plays out over many decades.”<p>That is so wrong if your job is dynamic and creative, and if you have ambitious goals.
irrational大约 3 年前
&gt; If you love what you&#x27;re doing now and don&#x27;t ever want to change jobs, great: you&#x27;ve reached the end of your career, even if it plays out over many decades.<p>This is me. I have zero inclination to be anything other than an individual contributor developer. I abhor meetings and don’t want to manage people. It actually took me a long time to convince the higher ups at my company that I have no interest in moving into management. I figure I have 15-20 years left in my career. If I can just keep learning new skills&#x2F;technologies and getting better at what I do for the remainder of that time, I would be very happy.
AlexCoventry大约 3 年前
Does anyone really believe they&#x27;re going to be able to plan the end of their careers, with the world moving as fast as it is these days? Even a five-year plan seems ambitious and full of unjustified assumptions, to me.
ttiurani大约 3 年前
Tip to the privileged[1]: find out how low you can drop your monthly spend – what are all the things you could still relatively comfortably live without? I&#x27;m now very happy living on my savings, spending super little per month, and it has opened up so many wildly different career paths. A bonus is that my ecological footprint is also very small (relative to my country at least), which has had a very positive effect mentally.<p>[1] Obviously if you already are at the limit, or living in a society without safety nets, this is not an option.
Barrin92大约 3 年前
I think a very straight forward cure is just stopping this hamster wheel career attitude altogether. I started to program because I enjoy programming. I enjoyed it at awful companies, I enjoyed it at good companies.<p>The article&#x27;s suggestion of steering towards &#x27;career goals&#x27; is I think mistaken. If you want to be happy in your job you can be happy right now provided you enjoy your craft. This goal oriented mindset drilled into people is terrible because there&#x27;s just going to always be the next thing.
manmal大约 3 年前
The author makes it sound as if career paths were under our control, while they often are not. Any of these events can change your choice of possible roles completely:<p>- Being at the wrong place at the wrong time<p>- Industry changes or gets disrupted<p>- Falling out with a boss<p>- Having burnout<p>- Having children<p>- Spouse gets sick<p>- Accidents<p>- Stock bubble bursts<p>- War<p>Trying to plan your (job) life up front can be a nice thought experiment, but, in my opinion, not much else. Like a car driving in the dark, we can’t really plan way ahead. There’s no knowing what’s further down the road.<p>Accepting this is, I believe, crucial for leading a good (job) life.
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jdlyga大约 3 年前
The way I see it, managing people is not your main objective even as a team lead. Your primary responsibility is to drive the project forward and get the work done, and managing people is the <i>how</i>. So in essence, you&#x27;ll be doing a lot of people management but you should be laser focused on the project your team is working on. It&#x27;s like the difference between writing code for code&#x27;s sake and writing code to solve a problem.
nostrademons大约 3 年前
Another oldie but goodie in the career planning vein:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pmarchive.com&#x2F;guide_to_career_planning_part0.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pmarchive.com&#x2F;guide_to_career_planning_part0.html</a><p>This is Marc Andreessen&#x27;s guide to career planning, and I&#x27;ve found it exceptionally useful. In particular, he backs off from the narrow &quot;decide what track you want to be on&quot; approach to frame the problem as developing a set of skills that will make you more valuable to <i>any</i> enterprise you choose to be a part of. Then while you do that, watch for the most valuable opportunities to apply those skills.<p>The other great thing about Marc Andreessen&#x27;s guide is that it acknowledges the role of risk and opportunity in how your career will shape out. So instead of tracking yourself into a path based on how the world looks today, you stay alert to how the world is changing, and then use the downtime to improve yourself. Despite being a guide for &quot;high-potential people who are not interested in work&#x2F;life balance&quot;, it feels like it puts less pressure on individuals than feeling like there&#x27;s a set of steps you must hit to be on your chosen track.
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pcmoney大约 3 年前
A lot of people are dunking on this post but none are showing a terminal career path that stays in tech and is something other than: - Manager of some kind - Senior IC of some kind - Independent of some kind<p>It seems a reasonable breakdown to me, finer grained distinctions do not have the same magnitude of skill and prerequisite knowledge differences.
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erwincoumans大约 3 年前
My 5 cents: optimize for working with great colleagues on things you are passionate about, with leadership caring about those things and giving you freedom to do that. Keeping up with general tech trends helps too, and stay curious.<p>In my experience, if you follow this, the appreciation with follow, either inside or outside your company (or both).
goodpoint大约 3 年前
&gt; A consultant is independent, for example; a contractor is not. The difference is that the client tells a contractor what to do, while a consultant tells the client what they should do.<p>Huh? The two terms are very often used to mean the same thing.
fiznool大约 3 年前
&gt; A consultant is independent, for example; a contractor is not. The difference is that the client tells a contractor what to do, while a consultant tells the client what they should do.<p>As someone who has worked as an ‘Independent’ for the past 8 years, this really resonated with me. I aspire to be a consultant, but realise now that most of the time, I’ve been a contractor. I think the lines are a little more blurred (e.g. a consultant can still advise based on a set of requirements, which usually come from the client) but it’s one of the most concise explanations of the differences between these two roles that I’ve heard.
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nedt大约 3 年前
If you aren’t close to your career end don’t even plan for a target. Do what you are currently doing, but always end something out of your comfort zone. Maybe something much more technical, or teaching other people, or planning a bigger project, … Even if you really suck at it or hate it - at least that’s something you’ve learned then. And maybe you’ll pick it up 10 years later. When you are 30 you don’t have 20+ years of training for your specific job. You were trying a lot of things. You’ll need the same curiosity to have an enjoyable job when you are 55.
rektide大约 3 年前
Noteable to me is that the only people with any power are consultants (sometimes) or managers. There are very few paths where the very good, wise, experienced techies get much self-determininacy, much power. You have to become a manager &amp; fight your stake via politics to gain control.<p>Probably one of the key reasons SRE &amp; devops roles are semi-popular. Your target is techies, and you have much more leeway about where you want to go. There used to be architect roles, but they feel- to me- fairly outmoded?
tevon大约 3 年前
Reminds me of this poem which has always stuck with me:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetryfoundation.org&#x2F;poems&#x2F;51296&#x2F;ithaka-56d22eef917ec" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetryfoundation.org&#x2F;poems&#x2F;51296&#x2F;ithaka-56d22eef...</a><p>---<p>Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey. Without her you wouldn&#x27;t have set out. She has nothing left to give you now.<p>And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you. Wise as you will have become, so full of experience, you’ll have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.
chillycurve大约 3 年前
On a side note:<p>I am new to Go and programming in general and have found John&#x27;s work to be instrumental to my educational journey. I highly recommend everything he has produced.<p>Perhaps the most underrated resource, his Youtube channel is full of educational gems like this one: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OSgIEDMekSg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=OSgIEDMekSg</a><p>Please keep up the good work John!
larrik大约 3 年前
&gt; The first phase of your career is probably too early to make serious plans, and any decisions you make at this stage are rarely critical: there&#x27;s plenty of room to experiment and make mistakes.<p>I think the decisions you make in the early stages are indeed very critical, but there&#x27;s basically no way to truly predict their effects, so you shouldn&#x27;t worry about it.
akselmo大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m still in very beginning of my career but I hope to eventually work on something open source. Something that is being used by many. Be it software library, business software or games industry.<p>Would be very cool to help the Linux gaming push that is happening and help to push it even more. But I don&#x27;t think I have skills for that yet..
granshaw大约 3 年前
I think he&#x27;s missing one big endgame – becoming a [Co-]Founder.<p>The most risky of the bunch, and with the most variables outside of your control, but it IS there as an option, esp if you have relevant or prestigious experience as a senior IC or PM.<p>Come to think of it, it&#x27;s something of a mix of all 3, Independent, Senior IC, Management.
ehnto大约 3 年前
&gt; The best time to start a pension is always twenty years ago<p>Does the US not have a mandatory pension program? We have &quot;super annuation&quot; here which is a mandatory payment employers have to make into our pension accounts, minimum being 7% on top of our salary. Very rarely a company will add more to your super.
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dasil003大约 3 年前
As unobjectionable as this advice is, it also doesn&#x27;t feel terribly useful. Consider this quote:<p>&gt; <i>As software engineers, we already know that a too-rigid plan rarely survives contact with reality.</i><p>For me this is understating things quite a bit. As someone pretty much exactly mid-career who has done well, I can&#x27;t really point to long-term planning as providing any value whatsoever. It certainly doesn&#x27;t hurt to think about the long-term value of what you are doing now as an impetus for change, but thinking too much about specific destinations starts to veer into day dreaming territory.<p>Instead, what I&#x27;ve found useful is first and foremost to take risks and keep my options open. For instance, IC vs EM is not something about which I hold a strong opinion. When it comes time to change my role the best opportunity may not fit into a rigid taxonomy of &quot;career goals&quot; and there are more important factors.<p>All too often I see ambitious young people asking for a roadmap to success. This is especially true at higher tier companies and people that have come up through Stanford&#x2F;MIT where they have been spent their whole life jumping through rigidly defined hoops. They come into the workforce with the idea if they just do what they&#x27;re told hard enough they can get promoted on a regular cadence. However doing as you&#x27;re told has a natural glass ceiling, and personal success has more to do with playing to your strengths and seizing opportunity than playing by the book.
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fifilura大约 3 年前
That quote<p>The truth is that as a man’s real power grows and his knowledge widens, ever the way he can follow grows narrower: until at last he chooses nothing, but does only and wholly what he must do. —Ursula K. Le Guin<p>Seems applicable to one or more of the world&#x27;s dictators today.
eulerian大约 3 年前
Curious if there&#x27;s anyone who&#x27;s made a plan for this sort of a thing. I&#x27;m never able to plan even the rest of my week and follow through with it. What does a plan for your career look like and how do you get the discipline to stick to it?
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mrits大约 3 年前
I think it is important to mention that managers also don&#x27;t pick what they want to work on. Often times they are &quot;managing&quot; teams of just a few people. A better term for some of these people would be performance reviewers.
sombremesa大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s completely unsurprising to me that HN likes to take career advice from someone who doesn&#x27;t know the difference between &#x27;careen&#x27; and &#x27;career&#x27;.
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t43562大约 3 年前
I would like to try some of the destinations - perhaps they are not for me but I&#x27;d like to feel I hadn&#x27;t been frightened off even trying something that I might have eventually liked.<p>In the past I&#x27;ve often felt that success depends on people and how they work together and that it&#x27;s most important to get that right. You could see it as part of the architecture of the product. In early jobs I saw how having QA as a completely separate entity lead to all sorts of blame games when something went wrong - so they should be in the team but with a different manager.<p>My favorite anecdote about why it matters how you arrange things socially was about Friday pizzas at one company where you got your choice if you showed up in the kitchen early and if you were late you took whatever was left.<p>When the kitchen was getting remodelled we had to split the deliveries per floor and get people to collect their floor&#x27;s pizzas. Inevitably one person would pick up something they shouldn&#x27;t have - either the wrong kind or one more than their floor was allocated and that messed up the orders for every other floor - great anger was generated with people accusing each other of skulduggery. The anger was not minor and created an atmosphere of suspicion and distrust. People suggested we needed more pizzas so everyone could get enough.<p>A few weeks later the kitchen was finished and we were back to the old scheme. We didn&#x27;t order more - the old rule that if you were hungry then be early was back in place and the nastiness evaporated.<p>That&#x27;s just a long winded way of trying to explain that some ways of arranging people work and others create a disaster. I&#x27;m interested in how to make things succeed and I realised that being good at &lt;some programming language&#x2F;technology&gt; wasn&#x27;t going to ever be enough to create successes.<p>Often it doesn&#x27;t matter what heroic programming effort you make - your management has set you up to fail.<p>So I wanted to, for once, be in a position where one can influence those things so I could create some &quot;success&quot; with the appropriate tools even if that is not just a compiler&#x2F;IDE. I wanted to fix the things that were killing our success (e.g. at Nokia) that I couldn&#x27;t as a pure developer.<p>Has that happened? Well, a little bit. I doubt it will ever be more than a little bit - but it&#x27;s less frustrating to feel that I&#x27;m not stuck in the same groundhog day. :-)<p>Being an independent contractor&#x2F;business owner is what frightens me next - will I ever have the courage to do that? Possibly when the mortgage is paid :-)
apples_oranges大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s a choice, just pick something that suits you and go for it.
OOPMan大约 3 年前
Careen != Career