Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter

This takes too many design cues from so-called &quot;modern&quot; web and mobile apps. What&#x27;s with the lack of scrollbars in all the windows&#x2F;dialogs? I can&#x27;t tell that content has been truncated when a dialog opens up with the overflow ending on whitespace between two elements. There&#x27;s also no fade or shadows, so everything is just suddenly cropped where a window ends. It&#x27;s not even clear which elements have their own viewports and which are scrolled together (so I missed extra elements in the settings toolbar&#x2F;toolbox on the left). All the windows open up very small (too small to fit their content) even though there&#x27;s room for bigger.<p>(All tested on the online demo here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.dahliaos.io&#x2F;#&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.dahliaos.io&#x2F;#&#x2F;</a> )

I am extremely excited about Dahlia and the work your team is doing. HN has a significant cohort of people who are extremely opinionated about how OS UI&#x2F;UX should work. Don&#x27;t take that to mean there aren&#x27;t people who are interested in what you are developing; keep us abreast of your progress and I will make sure to repeatedly check up on your subsequent developments.

Man, the HN crowd is tough. Folks here don&#x27;t seem to like anything other than Win95 UI.<p>I personally found the UI to be very slick and pretty. It seems very similar to Win11 and looks rather pretty. Would love to give it a try.

Can someone give a little more information on what dahliaOS[0] is?<p>It seems to be the OS that has created this desktop environment, but the website for it doesn&#x27;t seem to go into much detail. How is it related to fuschia? is it a google initiative, or something simply targeting the open source bits of fuschia that have been released? (there are some links at the bottom of that page[0] that sound like they&#x27;d answer my question, such as &quot;the goal&quot; but they all just seem to link straight back to the top of the page.)<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dahliaos.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dahliaos.io&#x2F;</a>

Demo: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.dahliaos.io&#x2F;#home" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.dahliaos.io&#x2F;#home</a><p>The UI is still quite slow. Hard to get excited about Flutter.

Very exciting. As this works on Fuchsia, a capabilities-based OS with a security-first design goal, is there any writeup on the security architecture for this project?<p>Is it correct to say that a convergent desktop environment exposes a large surface area via monolithic access to the underlying OS? It seems that the desktop environment is one of the hardest things to build securely, if embarking on such a journey.<p>Also, somewhat related: In light of forthcoming capabilities-based hardware (see: ARM Morello), is it a bit hasty to embark on a security-first rewrite of the entrenched Von Neumann &#x2F; Harvard basis for incumbent OS environments?

Discussion from 10 months ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26842859" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26842859</a><p>Performance still bad for me.

Design language looks very similar to Windows 11? Not sure if it was intentional since it must have been in development for a while. Anyways, it’s a very elegant looking environment.

Jeez, am I one of the few people here who liked the demo? I thought the performance was comparable to my aging Pixelbook. I liked the design too.

Looks very nice, but what is like more is a DE that is concrete stable. I&#x27;ve been told by people across the internet that I need to try DE #36 and that it&#x27;s actually good, or that Gnome is awesome now.<p>They&#x27;re always at least broken enough to impede a bit. I use Gnome now, but after my machine has been on for a few days, all text associated with the Gnome shell disappears and only comes back on restart.<p>MacOS works pretty well in my experience, but I don&#x27;t want to be part of that ecosystem. Windows GUI is fine for the most part in my experience, but I want to use a Unix (WSL is good, but not a replacement for me).<p>For now, I&#x27;ll hold out and keep rooting for the Linux desktop, but it&#x27;s got a ways to go. Can&#x27;t blame them though, Apple and Microsoft have tons of money being concentrated into a single GUI environment. Linux has a million different small projects paid for with some dedicated contributor&#x27;s time.

I think its pretty impressive that this is being built in Flutter.

I took a quick look at the repo and the most important piece of info is missing: why?<p>What&#x27;s the point of this project? More generally, open source projects should really get into the habit of spending a few words on WHY they exist, so people driving by don&#x27;t have to wreck their brains figuring out why would you care.

I get a blank page in Firefox

It&#x27;s a beautiful desktop! The animations are pretty janky though, at least in the online demo. This is a performance issue I&#x27;ve seen with Flutter before, so there might not be much you can do, unfortunately.

Flutter for Web feels incredibly sluggish and drops frames whenever I do any interaction. I’m not sure why that’s happening when most of the WebGL and WebGPU demos run at high frame rates.

The website could do a better job of explaining what it is and why I should use it instead of some other OS

Stormlight be with you.

Nice, already better than Gnome!

could have chosen a better name considering the recent events and rumors...

Please don&#x27;t use or support Flutter. Its entire existence is to replace the web and force more ads to people. Do your research.