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Let's democratize the United Nations and make it relevant again

12 点作者 JoelJacobson大约 3 年前
I think it would not be an entirely crazy idea to suggest it could be a net win to abolish the special veto rights enjoyed by privileged nations.<p>A veto-free and empowered UN should greatly reduce the need for biased military alliances such as NATO and CSTO.<p>We only need one universal international organization to maintain peace and security; the United Nations.<p>This is obviously an extremely complex and difficult system to make changes to, due to all legacy, but hopefully something can be done.<p>As a Swede, I would much rather prefer fixing the UN, than joining the NATO.<p>Thoughts?

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jasode大约 3 年前
<i>&gt;it could be a net win to abolish the special veto rights enjoyed by privileged nations. A veto-free and empowered UN should greatly reduce the need for biased military alliances [...] , I would much rather prefer fixing the UN </i><p>Your proposal won&#x27;t work because it misunderstands that any U.N. &quot;cooperation&quot; happens at the convenience of the members. So let&#x27;s imagine UN gets rid of veto rights. You&#x27;ve now made the U.N. organization <i>less relevant</i> to powerful countries. So China, Russia, and United States no longer have veto rights? Then their <i>self-interest</i> means they&#x27;ll just quit the UN.<p>With the UN, you have to balance game theory incentives for powerful countries to participate and respect its rules.<p>The UN membership and cooperation (preventing wars) is a different dynamic from an economic trade organization like the WTO.
rlpb大约 3 年前
I was under the impression that the UN is functioning as designed. All relevant parties are at least at the table. That&#x27;s why the vetoes exist: without them, the UN would fall apart, diplomacy would be made more difficult, and that would help nobody.
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M2Ys4U大约 3 年前
The veto is not absolute. UN General Assembly Resolution 377,[0] also known as the &quot;uniting for peace&quot; resolution, allows the UNGA to act in a special session where the use of a veto in the Security Council means it fails to act.<p>In fact the resolution was invoked by the Security Council yesterday,[1] and in such a procedural vote there is no veto.<p>The special session of the UNGA will be held today at 10:00 New York time (15:00 UTC).[2]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_377" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_Nations_General_Assembl...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2623" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_Nations_Security_Counci...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.un.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;ga&#x2F;info&#x2F;meetings&#x2F;76schedule.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.un.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;ga&#x2F;info&#x2F;meetings&#x2F;76schedule.shtml</a>
Ajef大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t want to comment on reforming of the UN because I honestly do not know enough about the apparatus&#x2F;system and what changes might lead to which consequences.<p>Regarding your comment &quot;would much rather prefer fixing the UN, than joining the NATO&quot;. I don&#x27;t understand how you can compare them. I see NATO as a military alliance and the UN as communication platform for countries (writing and voting on resolutions). I don&#x27;t see where one can replace the other.
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jfengel大约 3 年前
A UN empowered to do <i>what</i>?<p>The UN isn&#x27;t a war-fighting organization. It sometimes sends peacekeepers into tiny, local conflicts, but that won&#x27;t work on superpowers.<p>Getting rid of the veto would do nothing in Ukraine. Even if the remaining powers decided to send forces, those leading the vote would be precisely the NATO powers.<p>The UN already serves as an important force in peace among superpowers -- not with weapons, but with words. It&#x27;s a place where ambassadors talk to each other, daily, to smooth over conflicts and prevent them from turning into crises. It creates a world where cooperation and economic, rather than military, competition is the way to get wealthy.<p>It has worked well so far. This is the first time in decades that Russia and the NATO forces have come close to direct war. And it&#x27;s bad, to be sure, but it won&#x27;t be fixed by turning the UN into a warfighting organization to oppose them.<p>It has broken down because a superpower has decided to threaten its neighbor in a way that the rest of the world finally sees as a prelude to even more violence. That isn&#x27;t fought by simplistic measures. It&#x27;s being combated with economics, and via an incredibly uneasy reinforcement of that neighbor.<p>The key decision-makers are exactly those NATO countries who are most directly threatened. If Peru and Guyana and other countries would like a say, they&#x27;re welcome to participate, but the countries at the forefront are exactly the NATO that you&#x27;re so worried about.<p>The UN is not magic. It&#x27;s not a world government, and nobody really expects it to be. It&#x27;s a place for jaw-jaw to be better than war-war. When that breaks down, the best option is to use as little force as you can to drag it back to jaw-jaw.
andrewlgood大约 3 年前
I do not see the nations with large militaries turning over control of their militaries to the UN. How would a separate UN military be funded? manned?
mytailorisrich大约 3 年前
It does not really matter because, <i>in fine</i>, everything depends on countries&#x27; relative strengths.<p>Say the US do something that the UN does not like. So what? The US are too powerful and have too much influence in the world to care. So ultimately the UN is and will always be limited by what the most powerful countries decide.
s1artibartfast大约 3 年前
The UN Security Council veto it is a reflection a real world power. These are countries that can already use their military and soft power to negate any resolutions passed by the UN.<p>Removing them from the formal UN process would decouple the UN from reality and defeat its already limited usefulness.
oreally大约 3 年前
Say you propose a fix to the UN security council. The plan will be considered by the permanent seats, and on seeing there are more downsides than upsides, they veto the plan. What will you do then?<p>I do agree the org needs to adjust it&#x27;s rules, but how will you impose the plan without a member leaving due to perceptions that the plan is biased? And what if that member is a superpower country? Where are your armed peacekeeping forces coming from then?
beardyw大约 3 年前
Surely democratisation would mean that representatives votes would be based on populations. I suspect that might be worse.
svennek大约 3 年前
How would you prevent a bad actor bribing a lot of small and poor countries that have no direct involvement (or even worse, is dependent on the bad actor) to vote for them?
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scaramanga大约 3 年前
Imagine what this world would look like.<p>You would need total nuclear disarmament to begin with, because a world in which nuclear powers have a veto as a first line of defence and a nuclear weapon as a last line of defence, taking away their veto they would have just a last line of defence.<p>But then you need to somehow engineer a system in which perpetrators of major war crimes can be brought to account. This would be a world in which ASPA was repealed, the FBI would be able to arrest and investigate the US president, and every living US president would be in prison.<p>In such a world it might be conceivable that a) Putin be brought to justice by his own internal security apparatus and sent to the Hague, in this astonishing new system of democractic and lawful governance the likes of which humanity has neverbefore seen, or b) that it would be possible for chapter 7 article 51 to be applied and for the security council to assemble a military coalition to repel a war of aggression without risking the termination of the human experiment due to a nuclear exchange.