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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

85 点作者 yanmaani大约 3 年前

16 条评论

BeefWellington大约 3 年前
No. You have misunderstood.<p>For starters, it&#x27;d be hard to argue that RT is &quot;operating&quot; within the EU if the only way to access their content was via TOR. It&#x27;s not; you can still just view their website as far as my colleagues are telling me.<p>The thing that&#x27;s being denied here is their ability to operating business and broadcast - already a very highly regulated thing in most (all?) countries, within EU borders. In practical terms this means having to access RT servers probably outside of the EU, broadcast signals can&#x27;t be sent within it for that channel, etc.<p>The internet is not broadcasting.<p>Were this intended to stop people from viewing it online as well, it would specifically call out RT as Illegal content in some way, so as to invoke one of the possible reasons to actually block their website.[1]<p><pre><code> EU rules on open internet give you the right as a user to access and&#x2F;or distribute any online content and services you choose. Your internet provider cannot block, slow down or discriminate against any online content, applications or services, except in 3 specific cases: - to comply with legal obligations, such as a court order blocking specific illegal content - to preserve the security and integrity of the network, for example to combat viruses or malware - to manage exceptional or temporary network congestion </code></pre> Relevant bit is in [2] (13); I couldn&#x27;t find the more up-to-date post-review regulation.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;europa.eu&#x2F;youreurope&#x2F;citizens&#x2F;consumers&#x2F;internet-telecoms&#x2F;internet-access&#x2F;index_en.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;europa.eu&#x2F;youreurope&#x2F;citizens&#x2F;consumers&#x2F;internet-tel...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eur-lex.europa.eu&#x2F;legal-content&#x2F;EN&#x2F;TXT&#x2F;PDF&#x2F;?uri=CELEX:32015R2120" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eur-lex.europa.eu&#x2F;legal-content&#x2F;EN&#x2F;TXT&#x2F;PDF&#x2F;?uri=CELE...</a>
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rosmax_1337大约 3 年前
Regulation:<p>&gt; it is necessary, consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union<p>What. Don&#x27;t gaslight me with sentences like this in a official document from the EU. They are saying x and !x at the same time in one paragraph. Freedom of expression, and information?!<p>I suppose we should remember that it&#x27;s not censorship if a private company does it. Private companies are free to conduct business with whoever they want, and the EU is not a government institution and as such is not capable of performing censorship. &#x2F;s
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random_upvoter大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s depressing how utterly normal this level of censorship has become in Western society. Ten years ago there would have been at least a modicum of ho-hum about decisions to ban foreign media.<p>I&#x27;ve watched RT on a few occasions and I never thought their reporting outright propaganda. It does have a clear non-pro-West bias which gives you a dose of awareness that Western reporting is biased too.
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3np大约 3 年前
IANAL but to me, this looks (hopefully unintentionally) much more insidious (emphasis mine):<p>&gt; It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast or to <i>enable, facilitate or otherwise contribute to broadcast, any content</i> by the legal persons, entities or bodies listed in Annex XV, including through transmission or distribution by any means such as cable, satellite, IP-TV, internet service providers, internet video-sharing platforms or applications, whether new or pre-installed.<p>So one way to interpret this is that all ISPs are currently violating this simply by enabling end-to-end-encrypted communication. Any service that would enable or facilitate sending RT streams (ie encrypted communication) are violating this.<p>Heck, even hosting a blog platform where someone posts a screenshot of the RT website would be in trouble. Cloud providers might have to close the accounts of a significant portion of their customers to cover their behinds.<p>This article <i>must</i> be revised (or even revoked). I’m certain that it is unconstitutional in more than one EU country.
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darkengine大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m the furthest thing from a lawyer, but &quot;knowingly and intentionally&quot; sounds to my lay self like it&#x27;s a test of mens rea. If I were operating a Tor node in the EU, I would probably assume until stated otherwise that operating a Tor node remained legal, as long as I wasn&#x27;t operating that node with the intention of circumventing the ban on RT.
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jarbus大约 3 年前
In a time of active war, people&#x27;s opinions shift. I wonder if this is a temporary or permanent ban. It seems like a short-term solution to keep a lid on Russian propoganda, which seems sensible if it is to be lifted after the conflict. Seems silly not to fight in the same propoganda battle Russia is so willing to engage in, it&#x27;s like not developing cyber weapons when your opponent is using them against you.
danielktdoranie大约 3 年前
Yeah this is censorship and at best it&#x27;s indicative of a &quot;nanny state&quot; and at worse it&#x27;s Orwellian. In short, it&#x27;s bullshit.
chakhs大约 3 年前
So china banning western media is not censorship and if Russia bans all western media it&#x27;s not censorship too. Or does it work only one way?<p>Not really surprised by the double standard but it&#x27;s pretty obvious this time.<p>If it&#x27;s western it&#x27;s &quot;news&quot; and if it&#x27;s non western it&#x27;s &quot;propaganda&quot;. This is the modern equivalent of Stalin&#x27;s iron curtain
Razengan大约 3 年前
How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?
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woodruffw大约 3 年前
This is a pretty good example of Betteridge&#x27;s Law[1]. The EU&#x27;s ban on disseminating RT <i>through</i> a medium does not amount to a ban on the medium itself.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...</a>
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dncornholio大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t get the problem. You won&#x27;t be prosecuted for childporn that happened to go through your node as well right? So why would you be prosecuted for having Russian traffic?
imwillofficial大约 3 年前
I have been blasted with propaganda and lies from the west for almost a week now.<p>Things that never happened: - Ghost of Kiev - Sunflower Seed Lady - Snake Island Defiance - Miss Ukraine Airsoft Fighter<p>Then I get sources of info closed off to me, I find that exceedingly concerning. The west is winning the information war, but at the cost of the truth? I’m of a mixed mind for sure.
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t0bia_s大约 3 年前
Western fight against Russian rules by implementing that rules. This is pure hypocrisy and will do more harm in future, just like covid propaganda and censorship around vaccines.<p>We are loosing our freedom and values every day. Because of our safety, of course.
randomhodler84大约 3 年前
Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2.<p>Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.
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yrgulation大约 3 年前
I believe those propagandising on behalf of an enemy - ideological or armed - without fully understanding their goals are called &quot;useful idiots&quot;. Watch and marvel at how this term gains meaning on this thread.
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proctrap大约 3 年前
Why do people here cry for freedom of speech ? We&#x27;ve had fake information laws in about every state in the last years. And now that it&#x27;s not only banning some youtube accounts about covid but also fake information of russia about the war they are waging (and people they kill), you&#x27;re surprised ?!
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