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Red Hat is discontinuing sales and services in Russia and Belarus

250 点作者 toppy大约 3 年前

14 条评论

sandworm101大约 3 年前
So many companies are making these decisions very quickly. So many that I don&#x27;t think it has anything to do directly with the war. They are pulling out because their money people, the only people who really matter in a large corporation, are in a panic. Nobody knows whether it will even be <i>possible</i> let alone moral to do business in Russian. How do you get money out when the banks are delisted? How do you get money into Russia without violating sanctions? How many of your Russian &quot;business partners&quot; are the subject of sanctions? Is paying tax in Russia a sanctions violation? As the Russian government struggles for cash, will any of your corporate assets be seized? If they are, will insurance cover such seizures? (No.) The money people also look at the dramatic fall in the value of Russian currency. Therefor, setting aside all the moral debates about wars and violence, from a purely financial perspective these are all prudent financial decisions. The PR statements on twitter about supporting Ukraine are just window dressing.
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mrits大约 3 年前
An interesting possible long term consequence of this is having top tier free and open source commercial alternatives coming out of Russia. Nationalized piracy would also pour over into the West and we&#x27;d probably see people here getting software updates from Moscow.
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BaconPackets大约 3 年前
That is interesting. Red Hat is a major player within the telecom industry. I do wonder how support will work for Russian Telcos running VNF on Openstack.<p>I assume that all contracts have some force majeure actions baked in.
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chizhik-pyzhik大约 3 年前
As more and more providers cut off Russia, we see the points of centralization in the system. For software, this is anything closed-source or licensed- open source can&#x27;t be blocked. Similar story for cryptocurrency, the centralized offramps like Coinbase cut users off but smart contracts don&#x27;t.<p>In a way it&#x27;s good – people in these situations will flock to more resilient systems.
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zitterbewegung大约 3 年前
RedHat (IBM) doesn&#x27;t make money directly by contributing to open source software development (although they do this). They make money from service and support contracts. So when we see a headline like this that means that RedHat won&#x27;t maintain systems in Russia and Belarus. Which means that this is a bigger step than this is being downplayed in the comments. Redhat even bought out &#x2F; absorbed CentOS also.
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maerF0x0大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m curious at what point do we decide to continue to serve Russians because the citizenry are still people.<p>They still need food, energy, shelter, and security.<p>Just thinking about how far the pendulum can swing before it becomes immoral for other reasons.
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siskiyou大约 3 年前
If software vendors want to really turn the screws on Russian aggression, I have a suggestion: break license checks from Russia. Microsoft Windows, Office, Sharepoint, looking at you in particular. Delicense existing installations.
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lgbrandon大约 3 年前
I will be more impressed when they discontinue sales in china. Come on this is just patriotic fluff that will have no effect on anything. I am really dismayed that technical people are falling for this govt propaganda boogie man mentality. Russians are not the bad guys. Govts are and USA is the worst offender. But since we have all the monies. We get away with it. So lets all put on our Ukraine flags and send hopes and prayers yall!!!
keewee7大约 3 年前
I see many claims here that the sanctions don&#x27;t work or that they are targeting the wrong people.<p>Ukrainians on social media are literally begging for more sanctions on Russia. They know Russia and they lived under a Russian-dominated USSR. These sanctions work and put pressure on Russia.<p>Putin has already walked back from his plans to put a puppet regime in Kyiv.
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mediumsmart大约 3 年前
Nothing wrong with that - why should Red Hat be exempt from herd mentality? Maybe they could change their name to Blue Hat or something. It&#x27;s all very complicated.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;consortiumnews.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;05&#x2F;war-conflict-enemies-of-truth&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;consortiumnews.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;05&#x2F;war-conflict-enemies-o...</a>
gentleman11大约 3 年前
Due to the invasion. However, Russia legalized software piracy recently. If the war and sanctions ended tomorrow, what would big tech do in response to such a law?
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pyreal大约 3 年前
This is the &quot;ice-bucket challenge&quot; war.
imwillofficial大约 3 年前
Somebody should make a list of companies that pull moves like this; Screwing over nongovernmental entities when governments make moves that they dislike.<p>I understand people wanting to deter aggression, but this is not the way.<p>What happens when it’s your country on the other end of bad choices?<p>Not every country can shrug it off like America did when invading Iraq.
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rossmohax大约 3 年前
I wonder if OSS projects start to reject PRs from Russian developers. Since it is a global effort to cancel Russia, I wont be surprised if it actually happens.
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