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Lootboxes in FIFA now allowed by highest Dutch court

87 点作者 defenestration大约 3 年前

19 条评论

ChicagoBoy11大约 3 年前
This is so disheartening. I work as an admin in a school that serves all grades, and the impact that this stuff has on kids is very real. I&#x27;ve witnessed first-hand a grown in sort of a &quot;gambling&quot; culture amongst kids, as early as elementary school. While loads of us may have had fun experiences trading cards and whatnot, this all still happens with kids but with a much more overt monetary component.<p>Part of me, though, wonders if this is just me getting older and becoming one of those &quot;grumps.&quot; It&#x27;s painfully obvious that as a whole society is moving to becoming more and more accepting of things like this (for instance, the huge push towards gambling in organized sports in the US), that it has the feel of inevitability. My sense is this will be a net social negative, but perhaps experience will prove it to be not so bad.
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jmyeet大约 3 年前
This makes me sad. I think loot boxes with RNG rewards are a disgusting practice. It&#x27;s gambling that minors are allowed to do.<p>One of the things I respect Epic Games for is they didn&#x27;t follow this profitable path for Fortnite. In Fortnite, you want the skin, you buy the skin. You don&#x27;t buy a ton of boxes and hope to get lucky.<p>Gambling with an immediate result is bad. It&#x27;s particularly bad for children. But it&#x27;s also bad for adults (eg online slot machines).
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kregasaurusrex大约 3 年前
As a kid I used to play the Yu-Gi-Oh trading card game a lot, and the odds for getting cards of certain rarities were published on the packaging so you knew how many packs on average it would take to hit a super rare&#x2F;ultra rare card. There were 8 commons and one rare slot per pack which had a 1:5 chance of being a super rare, 1:12 for an ultra rare, and 1:23 for a secret rare.[0]<p>Additionally the cards had actual utility where the rarest cards often had better effects than commons and decks would be built around these rarer cards to be used in a duel. For games like Fortnite where the items in the lootboxes are purely cosmetic, the kids who are playing know that they aren&#x27;t getting any competitive advantages with different skins in playing. However this becomes a bit murkier in games like FIFA and Star Wars Battlefront 2, where the rarest items from lootboxes contained items that were better than those obtained through leveling up alone. The article says that &quot;92 percent of the FIFA boxes are not bought with real money, but unlocked via football matches and are therefore simply part of the game of skill.&quot; which implies players can expect to get a reasonable number of good players to build a team with and a team constructed of said players on aggregate would not provide a significant competitive advantage.<p>My opinion is that players should spend time in games because they consider it to be fun rather than to be the best for the sake of being the best, and the in-game whales who spend the most $ on a game shouldn&#x27;t be overpowered to the point where free to play players should feel they need to spend money to win.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yugioh.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Booster_Pack" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yugioh.fandom.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Booster_Pack</a>
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ComputerGuru大约 3 年前
(For anyone going just by the title: this is the <i>purchase</i> of loot boxes.)<p>I’m personally against this for moral reasons having to do a lot with corporate greed and and then some to do with gambling in general, but I do want to point out this isn’t remotely new and isn’t something that the digital gaming&#x2F;entertainment industry came up. When we were kids, we all used to gamble by buying <i>Pokémon</i> booster packs for $4 or $5 hoping they would contain a Charzard or a holographic Magikarp only to discover just another Koffing. That was specifically marketed towards and aimed at kids - probably even younger than those playing FIFA.<p>Although - I realize now that I may be speaking out of ignorance as I have no clue if the Netherlands allowed the sale of Pokémon cards to minors in the first place?<p>(I learned a few years ago that the smarter guys used to go in with a scale and weigh the packs to see which one was heavier due to the presence of a holographic card until Hasbro&#x2F;TPCI wisened up and began adding blanks to make up for the weight difference.
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icu大约 3 年前
I was really hoping that the pushback on videogame gambling by minors would gain more regulatory momentum, not less.<p>I think it&#x27;s going to take longer to see regulation stick due to a lack of first hand knowledge of lootboxes by politicians and judges, who to be fair, are of a generation that just do not understand the subject matter.
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akersten大约 3 年前
Thank goodness. I was genuinely worried they&#x27;d make Pokemon card booster packs illegal next.<p>Let kids live a little and learn the perils of gambling play money early. They can safely learn the disappointment of throwing 20 bucks into a box with no reward during a time when it&#x27;s relatively consequence free, instead of throwing 20 grand into stock options and being shocked when it goes to 0.<p>Loot boxes are not really gambling anyway, because there&#x27;s not even monetary payout. It&#x27;s the most tame form of &quot;money pit&quot; there is, and I&#x27;m glad we&#x27;re not continuing this trip down &quot;make things I don&#x27;t like illegal&quot; lane.
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vmception大约 3 年前
&gt; the packages are <i>part</i> of a game of skill, not a separate game of chance in itself.<p>hahahhahahahaha lolwut! that&#x27;s hilarious, is that what EA actually argued too or did the judges reach that conclusion on their own from a reading of the statute!<p>Either way that is hilarious and obviously not the intention of the parliament, but I&#x27;ll leave it up to them to figure that out if they actually care as much as the executive branch did.
defenestration大约 3 年前
The linked article is an English translation from this article in the Dutch newspaper NRC: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrc.nl&#x2F;nieuws&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;09&#x2F;gedurfde-uitspraak-lootboxes-in-voetbalspel-fifa-nu-wel-toegestaan-a4099603" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrc.nl&#x2F;nieuws&#x2F;2022&#x2F;03&#x2F;09&#x2F;gedurfde-uitspraak-loot...</a>
VoodooJuJu大约 3 年前
Authority (parents or otherwise) has a responsibility to protect people (particularly children) from vice and vultures. Children are particularly vulnerable because they are inexperienced in life, lacking will, consciousness, and wisdom.<p>This is irresponsible. This is a failure of authority to protect children.
ravenstine大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s interesting how we&#x27;ve gone from heavily regulating content in shows and games made for children to putting kids in digital Skinner boxes that extract the wealth of their parents in exchange for conceptual things of which there is no shortage.<p>On the other hand, how different are loot boxes and DLC from the days where we played games at an arcade and had to insert 6 more quarters to complete a level, sometimes even if the player still has health? I guess the difference is that you leave behind an arcade, whereas modern video games stay with kids at all times and are designed to addict kids to an even greater degree than anything I ever played at TILT! arcades.
goldfeld大约 3 年前
&gt; &quot;Lootboxes&quot; .. &quot;highest Dutch court&quot;<p>This is either high sci-fi parody or I want another hitech future, because it continually feels that all the technology in the world is only ever useful, successful for the most petty and meaningless ends. There needs to be a law that humanity&#x27;s ignorance grows quadratically with scientific achievement. Ignorance of course is a proportional quality; when all the information in the world is at your fingertips you are doubly ignorant not to make expedient use of it. Oh, there are government rogue agents with all their noise and misinformation campaigns, sure. But there are also millions of programmers workings on clickbait ads for a living. Clearly some choice and free will is thrown in at some point in the learning curve. An isolated pre-discovery south american native is as wise or ignorant as his means (culture) allow. Our means are the most luxuriant humankind has seen yet. Great responsibilities and all that.. so that we&#x27;re devolving into incoherent grunts. Yes I&#x27;d like a rant.<p>Maybe TFA is about revisionist high medieval history and FIFAs are kinds of fiefs.
drcongo大约 3 年前
They should make the loot boxes brown envelopes just like the real FIFA.
abcc8大约 3 年前
I haven&#x27;t played a FIFA game in probably 20 years so please excuse my potentially uninformed question. Do loot boxes improve the play experience of the game in any meaningful way?
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supergirl大约 3 年前
that&#x27;s funny considering that gambling is so restricted in the Netherlands: only state owned casinos are allowed and online gambling is not allowed
jnsie大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve ever seen so many ads in an article. To the point I stopped reading. Wow
willis936大约 3 年前
State endorsed gambling laundering.
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NovemberWhiskey大约 3 年前
Is this somehow much worse than the football (soccer) sticker albums I used to buy in little foil-wrapped packets when I was a kid? Or Pokemon cards etc.
fomine3大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t like such thing, but I don&#x27;t think it should be banned by law.
jafoi大约 3 年前
Good. The government does not have a right to restrict trade between citizens and companies. On the other hand, it&#x27;s the parents&#x27; job to decide what their children can and can&#x27;t do.
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