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Before the Fall of the Roman Republic

68 点作者 electric_muse大约 3 年前

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burlesona大约 3 年前
Nice article, but the author says up front that he wrote the book with an angle:<p>&gt; I jokingly said when I started writing, that I wanted people to come out of it with a general feeling of unease about what’s going on in the United States and in the West generally. To emerge from reading the book, go back to flipping on the news, and think, “This is not good.”<p>So... if you read it and think &quot;wow this is eerily parallel to our current reality,&quot; it&#x27;s going to be hard to know how much of that is because it _really was_ eerily parallel, and how much is because the author _wanted it to feel_ eerily parallel.
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throwawaycities大约 3 年前
Income equality and xenophobia isn’t exactly unique to the US, I don’t think China or Russia has any less income inequality or (governmental) xenophobia.<p>I’d argue xenophobia is very limited in a population of &gt;300M, it’s just one of those issues where the minority is very vocal which the media loves to magnify. There was just an article on HN about people grossly overestimating the size of subgroups in the populace and I’m sure xenophobes would be one of those overestimations.
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jdlyga大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s a pretty good book. Mike Duncan was asked constantly if the United States was Rome and is the American Empire about to fall. Mike&#x27;s position is the late Roman Republic, before Julius Caesar and the empire, is most similar to the present day US. Both countries had just seen their biggest rival Carthage&#x2F;USSR fall, and so ambitious people started looking inward to gain power instead of outward. This led to a lot of political division and slow erosion of political norms.
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boomboomsubban大约 3 年前
*2017. Was really confused why they&#x27;d print an article about Duncan&#x27;s first book shortly after the release of his second about Lafayette.
billfruit大约 3 年前
&quot;The Roman Revolution&quot; by Ronald Syme seems to have a very good reputation, how does it compre with this.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Roman-Revolution-Oxford-Paperbacks-No&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0000CKU96" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Roman-Revolution-Oxford-Paperbacks-No...</a>
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badrabbit大约 3 年前
You know, a lot of people like to correlate things with the fall of the roman empire but when it comes to causality theu theorize. Ok, maybe this was true about the romans, so what? It&#x27;s the symptom, not the disease, and as symptoms go they can indicate any number of diseases.<p>I can agree that income inequality, racism and xenophobia are symptoms of an underlying disease but even if America has the same disease as the Rome, this is a different host with different strength, weaknesses and immune system. Rome wasn&#x27;t found upon rebellion, it didn&#x27;t have a civil war at the scale of america andnit didn&#x27;t have WMDs, fighter jets, interlinked supply chains and the internet. It could be worse or better or a seasonal bug.<p>You should also understand that the eastern Roman empire lasted up until only a few hundred years ago. And it was no joke. It took over a millenium for Rome to fall. Constantinope fell on 1453, columbus discovered america on 1492. If Rome is strictly western Rome then the equivalent would be America losing global influence and military power but still remaining relatively prosperous and strong with perhaps few states splintering.<p>Different variable, different input, similar symptomps but likely different output imo.<p>You know what parallel scares me? Rwanda.
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OrvalWintermute大约 3 年前
This article is so poorly written because it attempting to cater, and it misses several key facts.<p>The best example is this gem<p>&gt; The ultimate consequences of allowing the Italians to become full roman citizens was nothing. There were no consequences. Rome just became Italy and everybody thrived, and they only did it after this hugely destructive civil war that almost destroyed the republic right then and there.<p>This is incorrect.<p>Citizenship ( and subsequent Military outsourcing) was devalued in imperial times because citizenship was liberally granted . &quot;Barbarian&quot; tribes on the borders would be granted citizenship. Even the Apostle Paul was reputed to be a citizen. This dynamic led the eventual collapse of the Roman work ethic, and the filling of Rome with destitute populations depending on handouts (bread &amp; circuses). The cultural loss of Roman-ness<p>Would this cavalier attitude come back to bite them?<p>Of course it did. Many times, but foremost is the name Arminius [1]. Yes, the same Arminius, a barbarian child, became a Roman citizen, and later on as an officer, led Roman legions to the great debacle of the Teutoborg Forest [2]. Because he knew Roman tactics inside &amp; out, it enabled him to destroy completely three legions (17th, 18th, and 19th legions, three cavalry detachments and six cohorts of auxiliaries) - Some of the auxiliaries may have become part of the ambushing force. Later on, this became so rampant that even words to describe the outsourced military to barbarians became synonomous with the barbarians themselves. When they eventually threw off their labors, conquering Rome was easy, as many of the barbarians were the standing military of Rome at that time.<p>Similarly, it was also Alaric of the Visigoths that sacked Rome, having become familiar with Roman tactics after working for them for years. After several shakedowns, he finally just took Rome.<p>Of course, I am not talking about other key points such as currency devaluation &amp; Inflation&#x2F;Hyperinflation<p>&quot; Nero was one of the first emperors to devalue the denarius, and by the time Gallienus took the throne in 253 AD, the coins contained approximately 5% silver and consisted of a bronze core with a thin layer of silver. By 265 AD, the denarius contained 0.5% silver; the result was inflation of up to 1,000% across the empire. By this time, Rome had no more enemies to steal from so taxation was raised. The resulting mess completely paralyzed trade. By the end of the 3rd Century AD, the vast majority of trade was localized with barter methods used instead of the exchange of currency.&quot; [3]<p>I recognize the fully irony of the military outsourcing of the Romans, and ours, with Blackwater and the other associated Private Military Companies. Our currency debasement, and more recently, inflation, just to name a few. There are many more parallels.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arminius" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arminius</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;historycollection.com&#x2F;downfall-5-reasons-roman-empire-collapsed&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;historycollection.com&#x2F;downfall-5-reasons-roman-empir...</a>
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