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Nukes and Stability

22 点作者 richeyrw大约 3 年前

5 条评论

betwixthewires大约 3 年前
I was talking about this a few weeks ago, and a point was made in this article that I was making. We have 3 outcomes here, one, that this thing ends when it ends and there&#x27;s a new cold war, two that someone launches nukes and it&#x27;s game over for everyone, or three, that someone drops a nuke and it&#x27;s not the end of the world, in which case it becomes normal for someone to drop a nuke every once in a while. Still better than the end of the world, but not a good world to live in.<p>If this ends with no nukes flying I&#x27;ll be surprised. The stakes are high. Major powers are fighting an existential battle right now. But if it does, the world order is changed dramatically, either Russia controls Ukraine in which case other countries might decide they can do similar (which means it isn&#x27;t really over) and we slow burn a global conflict, or or Russia loses out and is probably forever relegated to a minor player and someone else fills the power vacuum.
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Animats大约 3 年前
Not too helpful, but not useless. On the entire first screen there&#x27;s an &quot;I&quot; or &quot;Me&quot; in every sentence. Then it gets better.<p>He&#x27;s on point with this looking like the runup to WWI. And with Putin wanting a multipolar world.<p>The Institute for the Study of War has a better analysis of what Putin wants.[1]<p>“For the first time in the past two hundred to three hundred years, [Russia] is facing a real danger of sliding into the second and possibly third echelon of world states,” - Putin, 2012. Putin has been consistent about his aims. He wants a world with a few Great Powers, with buffer states between them. That&#x27;s very 19th century, when Europe had about five empires pushing back and forth.<p><i>Putin’s Russia—unlike its predecessors—has no state machine or elite capable of balancing out his instincts and narratives.</i> This is extremely important to understand. After Stalin, no leader of the USSR had the authority to start a nuclear war. Unlike the US President, the Premier of the USSR did not have launch authority. Only the Politburo did. That was built into the command and control system. Among other things, the army controlled the launchers and the KGB controlled the warheads, so they both had to work together to launch.<p>That separation of control has not survived into the Putin era. It&#x27;s now official policy that Putin has launch authority.[2] That&#x27;s what so scary this time. It&#x27;s one guy.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.understandingwar.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;ISW%20Report_The%20Kremlin%27s%20Worldview_March%202019.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.understandingwar.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;ISW%20R...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;ibuRS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;ibuRS</a>
jostmey大约 3 年前
I have been gravely concerned that Putin would order a nuclear strike in Ukraine or elsewhere. Now, I believe the chances of that happening have actually gone down substantially. Why? Because Putin doesn’t want to risk ordering a nuclear strike to find out these deterrents, which haven’t been tested in decades, no longer operate (or never actually did operate). Then Russia would be completely vulnerable. Instead, I believe Putin could order nuclear testing to start again
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lcedp大约 3 年前
&gt; The longer it takes for Russia to conquer Ukraine, the more likely it will end up being the start of World War III.<p>A very naive and fatal flow of judgement.<p>Numerous times, Russia state media expressed Russian desire to attack Baltic States and Poland. Putin said similar things many times: i.e. that he wants USSR to be restored in <i>previous</i> borders.<p>If Ukraine is conquered by Russia, you will not get a world peace as an output.<p>Half of Ukrainians will be exterminated in the process (think Holodomor), but I know you don&#x27;t care too much: &quot;As horrible as this would be for the Ukrainians&quot;. I get it, it&#x27;s not the point of this comment.<p>As an output, you will get a much stronger Russia with added power of Ukrainian people and military resources.<p>The problem is also not in Putin. If he dies, the situation won&#x27;t be better much. The Russian regime is fascist-like and embraces Russian imperialism.<p>The only sane action is to help Russia to disintegrate into smaller nations and to show the world that aggression at such scale does not work.
simonswords82大约 3 年前
Interesting post, sort of. Not sure why I would trust this guys take over anybody else? I&#x27;ve looked him up and he doesn&#x27;t seem to have any credentials that make me think his predictions could be more accurate than groupthink.<p>Happy to be corrected...
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