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Fuchsia Workstation

367 点作者 timsneath大约 3 年前

26 条评论

benjaminl大约 3 年前
Since the build page doesn’t provide much context, Fushsia has 3 different configurations bringup, core and workstation.<p>The workstation configuration is described as:<p>&gt; workstation is a basis for a general purpose development environment, good for working on UI, media and many other high-level features. This is also the best environment for enthusiasts to play with and explore.<p>From <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fuchsia.dev&#x2F;fuchsia-src&#x2F;development&#x2F;build&#x2F;fx#key-product-configurations" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fuchsia.dev&#x2F;fuchsia-src&#x2F;development&#x2F;build&#x2F;fx#key-pro...</a>
miiiiiike大约 3 年前
Having used several Google OSS projects I would NEVER consider using an OS from Google.<p>The documentation structure is often atrocious, the are always dozens of recognized but unresolved bugs, those bugs often remain for years, the documentation often is not updated to reflect the state of open bugs so code samples and tutorials are often broken, the bugs are resolved slowly, non-Google pull requests are often left to die on the vine[0], no road maps, the Google employees use an internal build system and the external packages are often broken, and these three words: &quot;Not. A. Priority.&quot; If your bug is not an internal Google priority you are basically out of luck. Hope you like maintaining your own patches, for years.<p>I&#x27;m not saying that OSS projects from other large projects don&#x27;t have similar problems, I&#x27;m saying that every Google project I&#x27;ve depended on has had all of these problems.<p>The idea of my OS being run like this? Absurd.<p>This just is a guess, but, I&#x27;d wager that <i>most</i> Google OSS developers just wanted a fancy corporate job and got stuck interfacing with the public on an OSS project. I don&#x27;t think that most of them aspired to be OSS developers and it shouldn&#x27;t be a requirement.<p>[0]: Just today a two year old bug that I&#x27;ve been watching was closed by merging a pull request that was first opened in early-2020, closed as stale in mid-2021, and re-submitted&#x2F;merged this week.
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cjbprime大约 3 年前
Are there screenshots or videos of Workstation?
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kgraves大约 3 年前
People are saying Fuchsia is only usable on IoT devices, not much progress, etc.<p>However, not many <i>new</i> operating systems have a Chrome browser [0] on them and Fuchsia has this, not many people realise how huge this is let alone on a new from the ground up OS.<p>So I don&#x27;t think Fuchsia will be going away, in fact I would say it is coming pretty fast.<p>Whether you like it or not, this tells me that they are targeting the desktop, laptops and chromebooks next.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rg9YgWXLfEo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rg9YgWXLfEo</a>
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sidcool大约 3 年前
Google has been investing in Fuschia for years now. What&#x27;s their end goal with it?
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Osiris大约 3 年前
This is interesting. I wonder what goal they are aiming towards.<p>There isn&#x27;t much information about the capabilities of workstation. Is it a GUI OS? Can one run Flutter apps on it?
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p_l大约 3 年前
Anyone noticed how the GN tool used to build Fuchsia looks like someone really wanted to use Bazel but for whatever reason they had to use Ninja?
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sequence7大约 3 年前
Is anyone providing unofficial builds of Fuchsia? I can see from the article the requirement is to build it yourself but I&#x27;m lazy&#x2F;time poor and I&#x27;d really like to try runnning Fuchsia in an emulator.
est31大约 3 年前
Fuchsia is the most serious OS that has significant components written in Rust at this moment, so this is pretty neat!
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pabs3大约 3 年前
How much hardware support is there in the public Fuchsia source and how much of it is going to be proprietary?
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KSPAtlas大约 3 年前
You basically need a compiler farm for fuchsia. I tried compiling it once and it took 3 hours, only to find out to need to recompile to add anything
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krausejj大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s a shame fuchsia is so hard to spell. 25% of the references to &quot;fuchsia&quot; so far in this thread spell it incorrectly.
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childintime大约 3 年前
To get on top of your fear of the new (and other insecurities), this is the video to watch: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gIT1ISCioDY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gIT1ISCioDY</a>.<p>No need for the habitual google defamation exercise here.
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m6w6大约 3 年前
Since nobody asked yet; Why explicitly Intel NUC instead of general x64?<p>I can only guess that it&#x27;s because of HW drivers?
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nomercy400大约 3 年前
Anybody know what the license of the source code of Fuchsia is? I could not easily find it on the website.
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rvz大约 3 年前
If you have read beyond the title, I don&#x27;t think this is what you think it is. (At least not yet anyway), since it is still not ready yet as a general purpose workstation.<p>It&#x27;s more like building it, rather than using it here.
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kwijibob大约 3 年前
Would there be a growing job market for people who master the Fuschia ecosystem now?<p>Or is it basically just for Google employees working on Google devices?
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cletus大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m not sure people realize just how much money Google has thus far sunk into Fuchsia for (AFAICT) very little in return. It was in the <i>billions</i>... <i>years ago</i>.<p>I don&#x27;t know if this is still the case but the mission was <i>absolutely</i> to replace Android. Many at Google believe Android to be unsalvageable on two fronts: drivers and the general ecosystem.<p>It has been pitched internally at various products and (AFAIK) only found traction thus far on Nest hubs. It was heavily pushed for Chromecast but I guess nothing came of that.<p>I&#x27;m not an OS expert by any means but I am unconvinced about the viability of a microkernel architecture beyond theory. Security is an often-cited issue with context switching between user and kernel space.
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rob74大约 3 年前
Some stats about the various ways of writing the project name (taken from these comments):<p>Fuchsia: 39<p>Fuschia: 19<p>Fushia: 1<p>Fuchia: 1<p>Other: ?<p>...so we can conclude that the UX of this codename is terrible. Maybe they should change it to something more easy to remember, e.g. Fuxia (Fucksya would probably also be easier to remember, but could be deemed too obscene)?
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amenghra大约 3 年前
In case you need some context on this project, from: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fuchsia_(operating_system)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fuchsia_(operating_system)</a><p><i>Fuchsia is an open-source capability-based operating system developed by Google. In contrast to prior Google-developed operating systems such as Chrome OS and Android, which are based on the Linux kernel, Fuchsia is based on a new kernel named Zircon. It first became known to the public when the project appeared on a self-hosted git repository in August 2016 without any official announcement. After years of development, Fuchsia was officially released to the public on the first-generation Google Nest Hub, replacing its original Cast OS.</i>
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eloisius大约 3 年前
Meta note about this site: if you disable web fonts it looks almost like Zalgo text. I wish people would stop using special fonts for icons. I disable downloadable fonts in Firefox* because the janky repaints and slower page loads aren&#x27;t worth the pixel-perfect text, but unfortunately it breaks a lot of sites that misuse fonts for icons.<p>*gfx.downloadable_fonts.enabled
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cmdli大约 3 年前
Honestly, what are people&#x27;s thoughts on automatic updates being built into the OS? They can be good for patching security vulnerabilities, but automatic updates are also incredibly unpopular (see Windows).<p>I personally wouldn&#x27;t want an OS that updates according to the developers wishes, with no control on my end. It reeks too much of corporate control, from simple things like changing UI or functionality to much bigger things like removing features because they are no longer in the interest of the company.
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jhatemyjob大约 3 年前
Fuchsia, like Waymo, is never going to take off. It&#x27;s been half a decade and they still haven&#x27;t shipped.
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dekhn大约 3 年前
the shell is limited and the environment can&#x27;t really host a full dev stack. I continue to fail to see the point of this project that eats other projects.
fartcannon大约 3 年前
I&#x27;d really rather use something that respects my privacy.
FpUser大约 3 年前
I have my hands full already. Not sure why would I want to play with unfinished product and use yet another proprietary language for the sake of Google getting more and more into my life. I think I&#x27;ll pass