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Today Google is turning on tracking for many users that previously turned it off

481 点作者 starsep大约 3 年前

30 条评论

jsnell大约 3 年前
The article seems intentionally misleading. It&#x27;s implying that if the organization disabled the &quot;Web &amp; App Activity&quot; setting will not carry over to the user. That&#x27;s not what the support page says though:<p>&gt; If you disabled Web &amp; App Activity in the Admin console, it is turned off for Google Workspace users. Users can turn it on if they want.<p>So nobody will be tracked on the web who wasn&#x27;t previously. The setting that will be turned on is just the one controlling search history within Gmail, Docs, Drive etc.<p>(But it does seem surprising that they didn&#x27;t just show a option dialogue on the next load of a Workspace app and ask the user to choose.)
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endisneigh大约 3 年前
Peoples hatred of google is so strong straight up spam is making it to the top lol. The source cited in the article is HN itself and markets its own product as an alternative.
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unethical_ban大约 3 年前
&gt;Imagine going into a restaurant and saying &quot;I really don’t enjoy a medium rare steak please make it medium well&quot; and having the chef say &quot;ok fine but medium rare steak is the best way to enjoy it so I made it medium rare despite what you previously explicitly told me enjoy&quot;.<p>Alternative: Imagine people expect the waiter to always know what they want when they walk in the door and say &quot;I want steak with the usual&quot; but the waiter doesn&#x27;t know what the usual is. And it&#x27;s because you, the customer (or your &quot;dad&quot;, the workspace admin), has told the waiter not to remember you once you leave the restaurant each time. You don&#x27;t really know you did this, you just had some friend from the EFF tell you &quot;Waiters should never remember you!&quot; and so you went along with it.<p>People probably expect Google to &quot;just know&quot; what they&#x27;re looking for when you search, and search quality goes down when search history can&#x27;t be used to refine results. So Google is putting it back in peoples&#x27; faces saying &quot;I am pretty sure you want this on, and with Workspaces, we aren&#x27;t using it for ads, just to make the product better&quot;.<p>There is my charitable reading of it.
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turtle_大约 3 年前
I recently left Google after spending a few years there.<p>Internally Google puts a huge premium on user safety and privacy. So much so that shipping anything requires getting changes through a regulatory process to safeguard users.<p>Google doesn’t do a good job of marketing its process. In some domains Google does explicitly use user behavior to drive revenue, so from the outside it becomes easy to spin changes like this as encroaching on user privacy, but I don’t see that here. I see something like a PM who is trying to surface some more functionality to users directly, and some engineers who spent far too long with lawyers to get sign off on this change.<p>It may be fashionable to sensationalize product changes like this, but the truth is often more mundane.<p>Edit: found a comment from the PM themselves in a previous discussion <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30174304" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30174304</a>
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cube00大约 3 年前
Previous discussion (2 months, 442 comments): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30171800" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30171800</a>
HeckFeck大约 3 年前
If user preference was their concern (and GWorkspace users were really pining to get all that wonderful tracking enabled) then they could&#x27;ve simply implemented an individual option to override the admin&#x27;s setting.<p>But no, this is once again a pathetic smokescreen where the actual motives are obfuscated and the users lose again.
Jenz大约 3 年前
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Google, and this does sound in character; but something is off about this website.
blakesterz大约 3 年前
<p><pre><code> How do I turn Google Workspace search history on and off? You can enable or disable Google Workspace search history: Go to the My Activity page. Click Other Google activity and then Google Workspace search history. Click On or Off. </code></pre> That&#x27;s from: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.google.com&#x2F;supportwidget&#x2F;articlehome?article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F11194328&amp;product_context=11194328&amp;product_name=UnuFlow&amp;trigger_context=a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.google.com&#x2F;supportwidget&#x2F;articlehome?article_ur...</a><p>But I don&#x27;t see any &quot;Google Workspace search history&quot; on mine.
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Majestic121大约 3 年前
The relevant Google link : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;answer&#x2F;11194328?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;answer&#x2F;11194328?hl=en</a><p>One tidbit from the link, I don&#x27;t know if it changes the narrative much or not :<p>&gt; Note: Google never uses your data in Google Workspace core services for advertising.
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MR4D大约 3 年前
Page 11 of this document [0] is a good place to start.<p>Clearly people have strong opinions on this topic, so now is a great time to review your changes.<p>[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;services.google.com&#x2F;fh&#x2F;files&#x2F;misc&#x2F;google_workspace_data_protection_guide_en_dec2020.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;services.google.com&#x2F;fh&#x2F;files&#x2F;misc&#x2F;google_workspace_d...</a>
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NavinF大约 3 年前
This is spam. It cites an HN post from 2 months ago as a source and doesn’t add anything new to that discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30171800" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30171800</a><p>tl;dr the “Web &amp; App Activity” setting got moved from google workspace admin settings to each user’s settings. The “many users” who toggled this setting are all google workspace admins. Too bad that doesn’t make for a good story.
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thenerdhead大约 3 年前
User &quot;choice&quot; should persist through any product&#x27;s development just like their private information. It should be protected by law. How often this happens in big tech products to re-establish user telemetry to &quot;help&quot; said company build better product is almost satire at this point.<p>No means no. It does not mean I have to say no again in the future.
Wowfunhappy大约 3 年前
You can dislike this, you can call it a dark pattern, but the title is inaccurate:<p>&gt; Google is changing its Workspace Settings, including a change that activates activity tracking for all users of Google Workspace accounts even if the organization&#x27;s admin disabled activity tracking for all users previously.<p>The users never turned off tracking. Their organization admin did so for them. Now users have to go do it themselves (edit: they may not even have to do that per <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30841812" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30841812</a>). This is significantly less bad than what the title implies.<p>Meanwhile, there are companies that <i>actually</i> just forget user tracking preferences. Amazon for example silently turns browsing history for my account back on every time their cookie expires. Why does Amazon store this as a cookie rather than as a persistent account setting? Great question...
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uhtred大约 3 年前
Problem is most people don&#x27;t care. Most people couldn&#x27;t give a flying f** if their data is being collected, as long as they get all these free services. They don&#x27;t know or care how much it costs to build&#x2F;run&#x2F;maintain things like instagram and youtube, which to them are just &quot;websites&quot; or &quot;apps&quot; on their phone, and therefore don&#x27;t question how google&#x2F;fb etc funds them.<p>They need to be hit round the face with the truth, like if they saw someone at their home window watching them. They need to be shocked into realizing what is happening.
davidkuennen大约 3 年前
Interesing. Today I released the new version of my app without Google Analytics or Crashlytics.
127大约 3 年前
How do you check your Youtube subs without getting the cookie and Google knowing exactly who you are on each of their sites? Have to switch back to Firefox to get containerization?
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dmix大约 3 年前
If it&#x27;s a good helpful feature to have activity tracking then tell the user... let them decide if they want it.
antattack大约 3 年前
Does this include student google accounts provided by schools?
vishnugupta大约 3 年前
Every day I feel more vindicated about moving to Apple&#x27;s ecosystem 2 years ago. Their only two services I use are YouTube and Google Maps; both on safari so no tracking. I&#x27;ll give Apple maps a try.
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KingOfCoders大约 3 年前
&quot;What is more, admins can no longer control this setting for their users, but all users need to invidually toggle the tracking off again.&quot;<p>Side tracking, to me it would seem legal for an admin to turn tracking off, but would it be legal forn and admin to turn tracking on?
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avsteele大约 3 年前
I still can&#x27;t figure out how to turn this off! Can anyone tell me?<p>If I read:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;answer&#x2F;11194328#zippy=%2Chow-do" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;answer&#x2F;11194328#zippy=%2Chow-do</a>...<p>Then the instructions say:<p>&gt; You can enable or disable Google Workspace search history:<p>&gt; * Go to the My Activity page.<p>&gt; * Click Other Google activity and then Google Workspace search history.<p>&gt; * Click On or Off.<p>If I go to:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;myactivity.google.com&#x2F;myactivity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;myactivity.google.com&#x2F;myactivity</a><p>Yes, I can find &quot;Other Google activity&quot; (check the top left hamburger menu if you don&#x27;t see it)<p>But inside this, there is NO &quot;Google Workspace search history&quot;. How are you supposed to do this? I&#x27;m definitely logged in as my workspace account.
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louissan大约 3 年前
ok how to turn off this crap?
KaiserPro大约 3 年前
I do love the double standards in tech.<p>Can you imagine the uproar if Microsoft did something like this. for all users of active directory enable tracking for all action anywhere on the web. Even better its not going to share the &quot;helpful tracking&quot; with the admin. (yes teams has spyware, but thats admin configurable)<p>If Facebook even tried half of this, there would be literal shitfits.
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evancoop大约 3 年前
At some point, society will have a broader conversation about respecting the word &#x27;no.&#x27; Without mentioning a different context explicitly, we all recognize the grotesque immorality when &#x27;no&#x27; must be stated repeatedly (and even then, the requests do not cease).<p>Google (and other large tech companies) require a level of vigilance from their users in boundary-setting that would be unacceptable in almost any other context.
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spupe大约 3 年前
Create a massively adopted product -&gt; Start breaking your product to milk profitability -&gt; Ignore user input and feedback, override their stated preferences with yours<p>The Microsoft playbook, currently in play at Google.
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tambourine_man大约 3 年前
“No” is just a decorative toggle for Google at this point.<p>I have to set on a weekly basis no auto play on thumbnail hover, no auto play next video when the current one is over, I don&#x27;t want this user as my main Gmail account, etc.<p>In fact, user input is probably only regarded on the million&#x2F;billion scale. I quote strings on search, ask for suggestions to be only in the languages that I speak rather than my geolocation… all bluntly ignored. The best one can hope for these days is to add its own grain of sand to the pile to slightly nudge the algorithm.
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filereaper大约 3 年前
Does anyone know what&#x27;s happening at Google? Have they grown to the point that the huge profits from web search aren&#x27;t enough to sustain them or something?<p>I&#x27;m seeing Google ratchet up its monetization across all aspects:<p>- YouTube plays mandatory multiple ads<p>- Frontpage search is full of ads<p>- Gmail used to have some Infinity plus storage plan but now after 15gb is used you can&#x27;t receive email. And they&#x27;re using Photos towards this quota.<p>Nothing against paying for services but there&#x27;s a noticeable and very aggressive drive towards lockin and monetization of its users.<p>Far more than before, so what happened to Google that&#x27;s causing this?
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JCM9大约 3 年前
Google has seriously struggled to be financially successful in anything other than selling information about you to others (via “targeted” ads). That means that they’re going to be increasingly desperate to maintain their data collection abilities.<p>No obviously means no, but until they are forced to Google will keep playing these “well we assume you really probably do want this so we’re just going to go back and mark you down for a yes again, but you can say no again if you’d like” games. Of course the reason they do this is they hope people don’t notice and&#x2F;or forget to just keep saying no everytime this happens. Don’t be evil? This is evil.
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boopmaster大约 3 年前
Google’s most disruptive products like search and mail are over 20 years old now.<p>Google moved on from its values of by-nerds-for-nerds and ethos of do no evil.<p>I’m not the same person I was 20 years ago either.<p>I upped my standards so up yours: screw yougle.<p>Uninstall that spyware trash and move on.<p>Edit: Google search itself is highly invasive nowadays. Try using it behind a VPN or in private browsing mode. It’s not accessible unless you agree to let Google raid your cookie jar.
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paulcarroty大约 3 年前
Great! Android is your personal little spy, glad I ditched it and hope many people will figure it out.
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