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Are we wrong about Web3?

50 点作者 LukeEF大约 3 年前

16 条评论

CloudDeltaNine大约 3 年前
Web3 is a Pyramid scheme for people who get hyped from just hearing the word &#x27;blockchain&#x27; but who don&#x27;t have any technical understanding of how one computer actually communicates to another computer.<p>Web3 scammers insert meaningless hand-wavy-techno-babble homophone phrases like &#x27;Layer 1&#x27;, &#x27;off-chain&#x27;, and &#x27;decentralized&#x27; to hook FOMO VC into buying into vaporware.<p>Web3 is literally not a real thing. If you want real talk about empowering the users to own the network infrastructure then you better be talking about publicly owned ISPs and data centers; not about bullshit &#x27;smart contract&#x27; VMs deployed into the proprietary Cloud environment of one Global monopoly or Another.
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cmckn大约 3 年前
This is poorly written; words and punctuation are missing all over the place.<p>I don’t understand the git analogy at all.<p>&gt; If we’re extending the definition of web3 to include decentralized software systems<p>We certainly aren’t. Web3 is defined by “trustless” decentralized systems (which usually aren’t actually decentralized, in practice).<p>Branding a database as “Web3” is terrible PR, given web3’s reputation for obscene inefficiency and high latency. The marketing team should reconsider this post.
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root_axis大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m going to reprise a comment of mine that I posted on a similar HN article some time ago.<p>Over the years I&#x27;ve witnessed a lot of heated debates on HN... Is the JS ecosystem actually too complex? Is PHP really a fractal of bad design? Is learning vim worth the effort or is it all hype? Is golang fundamentally broken because it lacks(lacked) generics? Does anyone ever actually need k8s? Is nosql always the wrong choice? Is the linux desktop experience truly productive or should you just use a mac? Types or no types? 100% test coverage or overkill? X or Wayland? Gnome2 or Unity? Android or iPhone etc...<p>Yet, only in the cryptocurrency debate do defenders have to offer up a disclaimer about all the scams, hype, vaporware, fraud, waste, hacks, speculation, crime and other insanity before proceeding to make an appeal to the nebulous hope of future possibilities, as if cryptocurrency isn&#x27;t older than instagram....
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eatonphil大约 3 年前
This is a very oddly formatted post coming from a company. It&#x27;s pretty hard to read or follow, with lots of memes and screenshots interspersed.<p>I&#x27;m not exactly sure what they&#x27;re saying at all.
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kerblang大约 3 年前
I like how the author repeatedly pointed out how much HN hates web3, and the postings herein reinforce that with hilarious intensity. I mean, hey, guys, I think everybody knows you hate web3. But thanks for the reminder anyhow.<p>ps For the record I also hate web3<p>pss Feel free to remind me you hate web3 too
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egypturnash大约 3 年前
There may be a place for some of the ideas lumped in under the term &quot;Web3&quot;. But the term, as currently defined, is heavily associated with cryptocurrency and blockchains. Which are mostly associated with scams in the minds of people who are aware of them, but did not buy in early enough to have a ton of formerly-worthless cryptocoins become worth absurd amounts of money.<p>If you want to try and redefine this term to not be about cryptocurrency and blockchains, then good luck with that. Realistically I think it would be better to try and make a coordinated push to make some other term a thing, because right now the instant response to &quot;web3&quot; among the non-believers is, at best, an eyeroll, a sigh, and closing the tab.<p>I mean, the current top story on HN while this is on the front page? &quot;$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity&#x27;s Ronin Network&quot;. <i>That&#x27;s</i> Web3. Right there.
onion2k大约 3 年前
web3 definitely could be as successful as git if you remove the payments side of it. Without payments web3 starts to look like an interesting and useful idea. Ownership of content, federation between platforms, trustless publishing, etc are concepts the web lacks, and that could definitely be interesting to layer on top of the web.<p>Adding payments into the mix kills it like every other microtransaction protocol though. git would have been <i>significantly</i> less successful if it cost you a small amount of money to merge a PR, or to fork a repo, or to push something.
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godelski大约 3 年前
I just don&#x27;t get web3 and what problems it solves. People say it solves centralization but I see no means of accomplishing this. I can&#x27;t see how it doesn&#x27;t end up like email. Sure, you can host your own email, but the service is very centralized. Yeah, gmail, yahoo, and hotmail might only host 51% of emails, but how many of those other email addresses are fake, temporary, or for bots? If you sample from people around you it is hard to find an address outside these domains and so the sampling likelihood doesn&#x27;t match the model&#x27;s probabilities. Email is <i>highly</i> centralized. We can similarly see high centralization in browsers. Functionally there isn&#x27;t much difference between Chrome and FireFox yet people will promote one over the other with such religious fervor that you&#x27;d think they offer different functionalities.<p>Web3 has no mechanism to prevent centralization. There are such things as natural monopolies, and these typically happen through network effects. This network effect is so powerful that everyone uses Google Maps. Web3 does nothing to prevent this (we even have to ask if we want to prevent this). So what is it solving? Hosting monopolies? If that&#x27;s what it is solving then it seems like there are likely better ways and no need for the blockchain.<p>I even say this as someone that thinks there&#x27;s value in cryptocurrencies and NFTs. Yeah, a lot of scammers in the area, but I can see some utility in the ideas (but huge noise to signal ratio). I just can&#x27;t see any signal in web3.
hitekker大约 3 年前
Looking at the author&#x27;s LinkedIn, I see Luke has no engineering background, and no STEM experience. His expertise before becoming cofounder of Terminus is in diplomacy and marketing. It&#x27;s weird to be write articles on Git and Terminus being Web3 without a clear understanding of either.<p>I can only imagine the DMs flying around in their company&#x27;s slack after this post went out.
jrm4大约 3 年前
Genuine question: How stoppable is &quot;Web3?&quot; Which may be to say -- what is more likely: All the big money idiots come to their senses, or &quot;Web3&quot; definitely happens in some form that has some, but not all, of the stupid weeded out of it?<p>This is probably a million dollar question, no?
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speedgoose大约 3 年前
I’m happy that the author starts to have doubts and consider being wrong. I hope that in a few moons they can write a blog post titled “we were wrong about Web3” and focus on their main product that sounds promising.
bobulous大约 3 年前
Cool to see terminusdb is majority written in Prolog (Have fond memories of writing Prolog in Uni). Is this the most prominent open source Prolog project
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agentdrtran大约 3 年前
Remove the bad stuff and only keep the good stuff of something? Why haven&#x27;t we thought of this before, it&#x27;s genius!
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jollybean大约 3 年前
Git is a Web3 tech like a disk drive, the IP stack, or an &#x27;App&#x27; is a Web3 tech.<p>Which is to say, it&#x27;s Web 1 tech, if it&#x27;s a Web &#x27;N&#x27; tech at all.
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PaulHoule大约 3 年前
If you are expecting your business to be around in 2023 you should shut up about &quot;Web3&quot;.<p>If you want to have good people for customers, if you want to hire good employees, if you want to have good vendors, shut up about &quot;Web3&quot;.<p>Don&#x27;t take good free software like &quot;Git&quot; and slander it by associating it with platforms that charge fees on top of fees on top of fees; platforms that charge you fees to pay your fees that make rent-seekers like Visa and Mastercard blush.<p>It looks like terminusdb is a good product that somebody can use without paying money to grifters. Why slander it? Why put up a big sign on your web site that says &quot;Nothing more to see here move on&quot; to the good people in the world but that will attract evil people, scammers and clueless people blinded by FOMO who will bleed your company dry and leave it a rotten husk?<p>Terminusdb should fire the person who made this blog post and make a press release about it immediately to protect your investors, your employees and your customers.
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na85大约 3 年前
I have a new personal policy:<p>I don&#x27;t read anything that refers to &quot;blockchain&quot; the way Apple refers to &quot;iPhone&quot;. I don&#x27;t know what the term for it is but they always do it. &quot;With iPhone, you can enjoy being smug and superior in 8K!&quot;<p>Anyways as soon as I see that sort of corporate newspeak I immediately close the tab.<p>It makes me a lot happier.
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