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Ferrari owner Exor wants to build the Italian Y Combinator

116 点作者 cosenal大约 3 年前

14 条评论

wlecometo大约 3 年前
Well the main issue in italy is not lack of funding or lack of talent but rather the amount of taxation companies had to go through and the uncertainty behind a big and complex legal system which makes an average of 8 years for civil processing .<p>these two things alone and the fact there are better places in europe to make a startup (hint: netherlands, germany, france, czech republic, romania, poland) makes me wonder if they will succeed or is this a way to collect IP rather than helping idea to grow? maybe they saw that this is exactly what most of incubators are doing, in the end lots of startups in Italy were made by university professors making startups out of a research paper from one of their student, so i can see why an incubator could be interested in this.<p>yes i know, sorry for the negativity i&#x27;ve been there and i experienced this first hand.
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mattrighetti大约 3 年前
&gt; The exodus of tech talent and lack of startup creation in Italy has worried investors<p>From my experience I can tell that most people here don&#x27;t want to waste time in a startup with its high risk factor, and it&#x27;s even more worrying if you come from a college environment where you expect that _Let&#x27;s do this, I don&#x27;t care_ kind of attitude. The majority of new grads prefer a secure (and most of the time underpaid) position to pay the bills at the end of the month. It&#x27;s saddening to see but a lot of my friends, super smart ones included, just opt for low level companies that will never make them grow and will give them the minimum amount of money to make a living (that&#x27;s what they tell me) while in pretty much the rest of UE they will pay 3x that amount.<p>I think the mentality in Italy is totally different, I know only one person that would have jumped in the startup world at the time and quickly got discouraged because he didn&#x27;t know how to get funded (probably not the first thing I would consider if I think I have a great idea). The rest of my colleagues wouldn&#x27;t even want to listen to startup ideas.<p>Also, I think we Italians don&#x27;t have the market for new tech related startup, our population is very old and they don&#x27;t really care about new stuff&#x2F;services coming out as you would expect, launching in the US would be a totally different story.<p>It&#x27;s a multi variable problem, the lack of ideas is just the tip of the iceberg. It&#x27;s not that there is a startup creation problem, it&#x27;s that the few people that want to try out the startup world are smart enough to do it elsewhere where higher chances of success lie.<p>And don&#x27;t get me started on the bureaucracy part, I&#x27;m not well informed on that because I&#x27;m pretty sure it would just waste my time.
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dotancohen大约 3 年前
Title: &quot;Ferrari owner Exor wants to build the Italian Y Combinator&quot;<p>Piacentini&#x27;s own words: &quot;We have no ambition to emulate the likes of Y Combinator&quot;<p>I agree with HN&#x27;s reluctance to alter titles, but in cases where the title itself a lie, clickbait, or gross exaggeration I think that it should be edited.
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0xfaded大约 3 年前
If I did another startup in Europe, I would incorporate in Delaware and raise US money from the get go.<p>It&#x27;s cool to see the YC terms borrowed directly, and hopefully that would be a shot across the bows of European investors. But to really give European founders leverage they need access to US valuations and terms.<p>I think semi-philanthropic incubators like these could really help by guiding founders to form US entities or reincorporate as early as possible.
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lnxg33k1大约 3 年前
As Italian, when I read something involving Agnellis willing to do something for Italy, I am a bit scared about taxpayers money, like Fiat has always got tax discounts and subsidies and as a thank you has closed factories, and fired people, can we just keep the people related to Agnellis in the Silicon Valley?
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darkwater大约 3 年前
Good luck with that, Italy and Italians are one of the most bureaucracy-obsessed country on the planet. You can think you own country has bureaucracy issues? Go check Italy, and it will be for sure worse. I mean, in 2022 AFAIK and still not <i>every</i> salaried person can have a default pre-compiled tax draft that they can just sign on the Internet and get approved. You have to go and compile it one from scratch (I think the situation is changing but still not everybody has this by default). Also there is this idea where you get by default a lot of taxes but that you can opt-in to many helps for various topics (like, improving your house energy efficiency) which will reduce your tax burden, over usually 5 or 10 years after you paid for it cash. There are small taxes and fees for everything, you had to pay an annual tax to validate your passport (which was obviously checked only when you left Italy, if you live abroad nobody even knows about it, so now they made it a big fee at passport renewal every 10years) and so on. Source: an Italian living abroad, tired of bureaucracy .
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jtwaleson大约 3 年前
I’ve thought of setting up a retreat center in southern Italy for tech teams. Like: take your team and work together remotely for a week. The center will have high end equipment, good furniture, whiteboards etc. Why southern Italy? The climate is great, there are lots of subsidies available, land is cheap and cost of living is low. I’d call it Sicilian Valley.
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bjelkeman-again大约 3 年前
It is a lot of work to create a business ecosystem that is able to nurture startups. I have some experience gathered over the years from Silicon Valley, London, Amsterdam, Bangalore, and now most recently Stockholm. There are drawbacks and benefits to all of them. The EU based startup environments suffer heavily from relatively smaller amounts of money available for the same thing (often an order of magnitude), and a fragmented starting market. The startup market in the EU is also fragmented over nearly every capital city in each country.<p>In Stockholm, where I am now, there has been reasonable progress. But it feels like we are nearly where the Valley was in 2000. (That is exaggerated, it is better)<p>A key takeaway for me from efforts like what the article describes is that a lot of it feels like cargo culting. “If we are more like Y-Combinator (replace with suitable other aspect of the Valley) we will succeed.” Where what is missing are things that are hard to bootstrap: large amounts of capital, capital willing to take risks, investors that invest in bold efforts, experienced and successful investors, successful entrepreneurs that go another round, a common market with similar rules, regulations and language; and more things I am missing (much mentioned in other comments).<p>Things are getting better, but it is still a challenge in the EU. However, looking at some of the valuations I see in the US, it appears there are bargains to be had in the top EU startup spots, where Stockholm is a good candidate.
7723大约 3 年前
Reminds me of: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.h-farm.com&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.h-farm.com&#x2F;en</a> which attempted that in the past.
mxschumacher大约 3 年前
It is misleading to call Exor the owner of Ferrari, they hold a 22.9% economic interest [0].<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exor.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;companies-investments&#x2F;companies&#x2F;ferrari" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exor.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;companies-investments&#x2F;companies&#x2F;f...</a>
jbverschoor大约 3 年前
Building a Ferrari is just some wheels and red paint.. I think anyone can build that as well.
samatman大约 3 年前
Well if nominative determinism has any weight, they have a great name for it.<p>It could be better, I suppose; if there are any large holding companies out there named Nande or Norr they might have stiff competition.
JoeAltmaier大约 3 年前
Maybe a sort of conglomerate, where each new &#x27;startup&#x27; is part of an existing company. Would that avoid some of the bureacracy?
highhedgehog大约 3 年前
I will believe it when I see it