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Is this how Russia ends?

56 点作者 Manheim大约 3 年前

8 条评论

Pet_Ant大约 3 年前
I&#x27;d like to see deunification of Russia to Duchy of Moscow and spin off the other oblasts as independent states. It secures the region while undoing some of the colonisation. More countries I feel should be broken down into smaller independent states. More democratic that way.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow</a>
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alkonaut大约 3 年前
It’s certainly how “a Russia” ends. We consider nazi Germany different from Germany, in the sense that nazi Germany ended and a different Germany came along. Let’s hope something like that can happen again.
samhyde69大约 3 年前
If imperialism is lindy, Russians have a massive leg up compared to america, which has a much poorer record of integrating its ethnic minorities
nkurz大约 3 年前
Nice interview. I thought one of the most insightful parts was near the end:<p>AG: <i>The West is aiding Ukrainians while wiring Russia money every day for oil and gas.</i><p>MG: <i>Exactly. Biden&#x27;s speech was not a great democracy speech because it was hypocritical.</i><p><i>The accepted rhetoric of &quot;We don&#x27;t want to be pulled into a shooting war with Russia&quot; translates as &quot;We feel bad, but we&#x27;d rather Ukrainians die than risk the lives of our own citizens.&quot; I&#x27;m not saying it&#x27;s completely wrongheaded, but it does undercut any rhetoric of solidarity.</i>
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xyzzy21大约 3 年前
This is how Russia separates from the EU&#x2F;USA&#x2F;West. It won&#x27;t end with this. The title presupposed that the West is &quot;indispensible&quot; - it&#x27;s NOT. As is already being seen as the Petrodollar teeters and other currencies are being adopted for oil. In terms of dollar value - it&#x27;s a self-created disaster.
Nasreddin_Hodja大约 3 年前
&gt; One day, Vladimir Putin will no longer lead Russia.<p>Putin isn&#x27;t the first ever russian leader and is not last. Next leader may be Ramzan Kadyrov, for example.
jl2718大约 3 年前
This is how it was ending before the push for EU&#x2F;NATO membership of former Soviet states - a long slow disintegration into independent states run by emergent tycoons and kleptocrats propped up by new markets. For instance, a global mining company promises investment in a region if they can get a new government with favorable policies for them. The old Russian plutocrats get a piece of the business and everybody’s happy.<p>Now it’s different. Putin’s regime may not survive this crisis, but regardless, ‘the west’ has once again become a threat to all Russians, and the next regime may be a response to that. I’ll accept any recent example of a interventionist war-driven regime change as evidence against this prediction. A nationalist Russian Federation is a lot more dangerous to us than a kleptocracy.<p>The press loves to characterize Putin as a madman. Same with Saddam Hussein and Muammar Ghaddafi and every other flashy dictator with expensive tastes. This is just stupid. Their thinking is more like an overpaid CEO than fundamentalist zealot. That makes them predictable and controllable. You don’t know what will come with the next regime. Even if you remove all animosity and nationalism, there’s still going to be a fight over resources. Putin had an entire state military apparatus to use against his people to secure those resources for himself. We do too, but the cost will be much higher.<p>Putin was willing to sell his country just for a little bit of luxury and personal security. I’m not saying that was a good thing, but it was a structure that we knew how to deal with. The military and economic posture to effectively deal with radical populism may be very different. Pontificating on this subject has been all the rage among military theorists since Huntington’s thesis, with trillions spent on the assumption that we knew what we were doing. Now we learn that we didn’t get it quite right.<p>There’s a lot I don’t understand about the doctrine that guides ‘the west’, and I’m not necessarily skeptical, just uninformed in some ways. I’d like to understand the threat model we are operating under, and the basic strategy to control those threats. Or maybe it’s economic opportunity we are after. For whom? What does the world look like in their best vision of it? Do the nations and people that oppose ‘the west’ have an accurate view of that, or has it been unfairly demonized? Somewhere there is either a legitimate clash of interests, or a severe miscommunication. Perhaps we ought to commit to only killing each other over the former, and keeping track of exactly what that is. Somehow I doubt that wars could be sustained in that circumstance.
Barrin92大约 3 年前
I find Gessen&#x27;s characterization of Russia as totalitarian confusing. Totalitarianism in particular in the historical sense that Gessen uses when they draw parallels to the 20th century requires complete popular mobilization. The people are united in society, society is united by rulers, the rulers all culminate in the singular dictator, and so forth.<p>However Gessen correctly points out that loneliness and atomization is everywhere in Russia. It may be repressive, but there&#x27;s hardly a level of energy, ideology or unification in Russia that could render it totalitarian. The same is true almost anywhere in the modern world. Nowhere are there going to be millions of brownshirts patrolling the streets for the party.<p>I mean, even today you can argue with Russians on the internet, the country is still as weird as it may seem more liberal right now than it was during any point in the 20th century. There&#x27;s state television and crazy commentators of course but the reason the war can continue if anything seems to be more indifference than zealous support.<p>Russia today is a society that runs on fumes, and the grandiose predictions by Gessen like &#x27;nuclear strikes on Poland&#x27;, or breakups rest on comparisons to the high energy, combustive situation in 20th century Europe. Even characterizing the war as &#x27;big and imperial&#x27; seems sketchy when it is downplayed as a special military operation, hidden from the people and being fought by a professional army and private military contractors in a fundamentally 21st century almost hybrid way.
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