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The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

295 点作者 matrixagent大约 3 年前

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eminence32大约 3 年前
One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?
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dymk大约 3 年前
Best thing I ever did was install Nitter redirect. Even though Nitter breaks every once in a while, it makes Twitter usable (assuming you don&#x27;t mind read-only interaction).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;nitter-redirect&#x2F;mohaicophfnifehkkkdbcejkflmgfkof?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;nitter-redirect&#x2F;mo...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;nitter-redirect&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;nitter-redire...</a>
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goldtownjac大约 3 年前
Lots of people in this thread complaining about user hostility and bad UX. I wholeheartedly agree. Twitter does not have your best interests at heart, and this ever-worsening dark pattern shows that very clearly.<p>Why, then, do you subject yourself to it? I simply can&#x27;t understand why someone would go through the trouble of using nitter, constantly clearing cookies, or using browser extensions _just to use a service that is hostile to them_. Especially because you and I both know that these workarounds aren&#x27;t going to work forever, and soon enough you&#x27;ll be scrambling for another hole in the wall.<p>Cut the cord. You don&#x27;t need twitter. You don&#x27;t need reddit, which has been employing similar patterns recently. The internet exists beyond these walled gardens. Take some time to reflect on your relationship to this technology and the people&#x2F;ideas whose presence in your life&#x2F;mind is dependent on it.
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throwaway81523大约 3 年前
Twitter baffles me. I don&#x27;t understand why anyone uses it since its UI (at least for readers) is so terrible. People split long posts into dozens of tweets because of the 288 char limit, or else post images of printed pages, instead of using a blogging platform. You get a megabyte of JS bloat along with your 288 character tweet. I joke that the main purpose of 5G mobile is so they can increase the bloat to 10MB instead of 1MB to read a tweet. Finally, it is stupendously influential in the real world, yet Musk was able to buy 10% of it for around $3B, so it has a fraction of a percent of Facebook&#x27;s market cap. I don&#x27;t know anyone who uses Facebook any more or cares what happens on it, but Twitter steers everything. It&#x27;s weird.
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woodruffw大约 3 年前
Twitter seems to be slowly asphyxiating itself in a number of ways: login walls, artificially curated timelines, and turning a blind eye to spam (it seems to be okay as long as it&#x27;s terrible autogenerated NFT &quot;art&quot;?) all make it a thoroughly unpleasant service to use.<p>I&#x27;m at the point where I&#x27;d rather not have it, but it&#x27;s effectively the LinkedIn of my professional sphere.
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lbrito大约 3 年前
My reaction to pushy &quot;sign up to view&quot; is nearly always of revulsion and mentally pledging to never ever sign up. I&#x27;m obviously not alone here.
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emerged大约 3 年前
Twitter is the homeless encampment of social networks.<p>Sometimes I’ll click the wrong link and end up there. It’s uncomfortable.. lots of people screaming and spreading their excrement around.. I just avoid eye contact, keep quiet and close the tab as quickly as possible.
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allenu大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s funny because I don&#x27;t even see &quot;Related Tweets&quot; anymore. It&#x27;s just &quot;More Tweets&quot; immediately underneath a tweet and its threads. They&#x27;re not even bothering to find tweets that related to what you&#x27;re reading. They&#x27;ve gone to the Buzzfeed or Daily Mail strategy of finding the most engaging things and putting them in your periphery to ensure you stay on the site.
thewebcount大约 3 年前
I found this statement really bizarre:<p>&gt; Not horribly confusing and overwhelming for people that don’t use it regularly like Reddit, be it the old or the bad design.<p>I&#x27;ve <i>always</i> found Twitter to be horribly confusing. It&#x27;s mishmash of replies, re-tweets, and completely unrelated other tweets has been there for years and never made any sense to someone who doesn&#x27;t have an account.<p>I don&#x27;t have a Reddit account but know enough to use old.reddit.com for everything. It&#x27;s ugly, but it&#x27;s not at all confusing. It&#x27;s about as straightforward as it could be.
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xg15大约 3 年前
Meanwhile Twitter just straight-up put up a loginwall. Whenever I scroll down more than a few tweets, I get an undismissable popup prompting me to login.
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riffic大约 3 年前
I like to call it <i>user hostility</i>.<p>You would not believe the amount of disdain Twitter, Inc, has for its users.<p>What&#x27;s cute is that Twitter has <i>always been a walled-garden</i>, since its founding. We have better alternatives now. Don&#x27;t matter though, because there&#x27;s a centralization&#x2F;decentralization pendulum in big picture computing trends. If you skate to <i>where the puck is going to be</i> (not where it&#x27;s been), we&#x27;re in the middle of a swing to the decentralization side.<p>Look at W3C recommendation ActivityPub (a specification for the federated social web with a vibrant and fun ecosystem of communities). You may know of Mastodon, its biggest implementation.<p>Or, for the <i>free speech* types out there, just host a WordPress site where you agree with the terms of the AUP.</i>
standardUser大约 3 年前
&quot;Not horribly confusing and overwhelming for people that don’t use it regularly like Reddit, be it the old or the bad design.&quot;<p>My first thought was that the unrepentant bizarreness of Twitter&#x27;s layout was going to be the &quot;wall&quot; in this case. But the idea that Reddit - a mild variation on the timeless forum format - is somehow more confusing than Twitter? No.
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egypturnash大约 3 年前
They don&#x27;t want you to leave either of course. I&#x27;m an artist and there&#x27;s a constant discussion with other artists over how to get people to ever see tweets where you mention things like &quot;my Patreon&quot; or &quot;commissions&quot; or other little things like this that involve going elsewhere or exchanging money, all that shit gets hidden by the algorithm.<p>Working around this with creative misspellings or euphemisms makes me feel like a kid trying to swear on Club Penguin or something.
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grishka大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s really funny how Twitter manages to somehow do both these things at the same time:<p>1. Promise everyone to decentralize itself, aka the &quot;bluesky&quot; project. Except it&#x27;s been a thing for ~2 years and exactly zero meaningful progress has been made. Related: didn&#x27;t Jack say they wanted to open up the API again?<p>2. Become ever more manipulative and get in my way more and more with its engagement growth bullshit.
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mostlysimilar大约 3 年前
This drives me insane. Does nobody develop software for actual humans anymore?
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bitwize大约 3 年前
Twitter has reached that &quot;party&#x27;s over&quot; phase. Till now it&#x27;s been focused on growth, but... &quot;At the end of the day, we must moooooooonetize our assets...&quot;
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anothernewdude大约 3 年前
Twitter requires an account to scroll through tweets, which is why I just close links to twitter on reflex now. There&#x27;s no point, I won&#x27;t be able to read anything.
saagarjha大约 3 年前
&gt; My other accounts don&#x27;t have it yet, so I wasn&#x27;t able to confirm if it identifies the account.<p>It&#x27;s an encrypted session, to identify your account to Twitter. It&#x27;s encrypted to prevent an outside party from figuring out which user shared the link, but if you share multiple links from the same session and someone knows you were the source of one of them, they&#x27;d be able to link the other ones to you as well.
eyelidlessness大约 3 年前
On the one hand, I’m invested enough in Twitter <i>now</i> that I don’t think any of these things would bother me <i>with the benefit of hindsight</i>.<p>I get enough value out of Twitter as a social space that future me would recommend just sucking it up and getting an account. I like that I can still use a fairly low-engagement-driving chronological view (even if they keep trying to kill it, only to backpedal each time). I hate the embedded browser, but as the author notes this is more of a platform-wide problem.<p>But here’s the thing: I never would have listened to future me about any of this had Twitter not been freely browsable when I started to give it a try. I wasn’t opposed to a closed social network even then—I was fairly active on Facebook at the same time. But they’re used in vastly different ways. I never would have understood the appeal of Twitter at all if I needed to sign up just to see all the weird rando stuff I’ve since come to follow and appreciate.
matusf大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s more of a cure of symptoms rather than a cause, but these uBlock Origin filters work for me. They hide the signup popup. There is also a filer list called EasyList Cookie[0], which hides the cookies popup.<p><pre><code> twitter.com##div#layers div[data-testid=&quot;sheetDialog&quot;]:upward(div[role=&quot;group&quot;][tabindex=&quot;0&quot;]) twitter.com##html:style(overflow: auto !important;) </code></pre> 0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;easylist&#x2F;easylist&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;easylist_cookie" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;easylist&#x2F;easylist&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;easylist_co...</a>
SubiculumCode大约 3 年前
Sometimes a project does not need innovation, and pushes to monetize only breaks what people liked. If it is even mildly profitable, better in my mind to not shoot yourself in the foot by changing what people like.
civilized大约 3 年前
I literally can&#x27;t make an account on Twitter. Attempting causes it to throw an error. Probably for the best.
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pipeline_peak大约 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bluesky_(protocol)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bluesky_(protocol)</a>
PaulDavisThe1st大约 3 年前
Maybe it&#x27;s a band-aid over a chainsaw wound, but the add-on &quot;Tweak New Twitter&quot; turns twitter into precisely what I expected Twitter to be. I see only actual tweets from people I follow (not uncommented retweets). No trending anything. No popups&#x2F;popovers from twitter itself. It&#x27;s a little quiet compared to life without it, but that&#x27;s not such a bad thing.
Schroedingersat大约 3 年前
Walled gardens have proven over and over again that the only model capable of respecting users is communication via an open protocol.<p>If you can&#x27;t take your entire profile and move it to a raspherry pi in your living room on a forked server via a forked client (possibly losing your handle) and <i>continue communicating with your social network</i> then this is inevitable.
ajmurmann大约 3 年前
Leaving the philosophical issues out for a moment, this is a problem for me even as someone who had a Twitter account and wants to be signed in. Every time I click on a link to Twitter in the Reddit app on iOS it opens in the embedded browser where I&#x27;m not logged in and don&#x27;t know how to open it in the Twitter app instead. It&#x27;s a pain!
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dmart大约 3 年前
The sub-rant about every app having its own browser really rang true for me. I never gave it much thought until now, but wow, what a horrible experience. Frequently I click a link to a private GitHub repo (404!) or a news article (paywall!) inside an app and then have to clunkily &quot;Open in Safari&quot; to actually apply my session cookie.<p>To non-developers this must be even more confusing (&quot;why am I only logged in some of the time?&quot;) Terrible UX.
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holler大约 3 年前
Agree with the core points, and it&#x27;s not just Twitter these days. Perhaps some of it is in the name of spam prevention? But it&#x27;s hard not to be turned off when every social site&#x27;s mobile web url tries to get me to install an app or flat out says &quot;not available on mobile web&quot;.<p>For anyone looking for alternatives, I&#x27;ve been building <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sqwok.im" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sqwok.im</a> and welcome you to check it out. Sqwok is all about live discussion with fully public topical chatrooms, a simple interface, small community, and driven by desire for building a better place for conversation on the web.
KSPAtlas大约 3 年前
Bit off topic, but I managed to use old reddit on windows 98 not that long ago
bluescrn大约 3 年前
Has anybody developed an app-nag-blocker yet?<p>Or even better, why can&#x27;t we say goodbye to the &#x27;mobile web&#x27; and have the option for mobile browsers to always load the real (desktop) site?
teekert大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t click on twitter links anymore, when I start scrolling some black screen covers my entire screen and you can&#x27;t scroll back! I mean, we moan when some site breaks our back button here, twitter breaks back scrolling! People invariably suggest to replace the twitter part of the url with nitter, I&#x27;m not doing that every time, so maybe HN could do it by default? F twitter man, it&#x27;s worse than that mess reddit (when not logged in, using the website, as I do).
zeruch大约 3 年前
I was excommunicated from Twitter on fairly laughable grounds (like all social networks these days, they elude exposure by being as oblique&#x2F;obtuse in moderation as possible), and then allowed endless nonsense because it was &#x27;engaging&#x27; which is basically why we have the goat rodeo of today.<p>I went to Mastodon a while ago, and while I miss some of the pocket communities of Twitter (mostly academic&#x2F;political science and the arts type of stuff), the UX for Mastodon is far more sanity-friendly.
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Havoc大约 3 年前
The quality of the experience is also going down. My feed is rapidly approaching 50% ads by pixel count now.
lizard_heart大约 3 年前
[Tweaks for Twitter](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;underpassapp.com&#x2F;tweaks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;underpassapp.com&#x2F;tweaks&#x2F;</a>) fixes this issue. It’s great when small indie developers can improve the web for all of us and this is a great example.
helloworld11大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s really not hard to just..... not use twitter. I&#x27;ve had an account since nearly ten years ago and maybe logged in or posted 5 or 6 tweets, nearly a decade ago, then just stopped using it completely. Now, on rare occasions, I open a twitter thread, read some particularly relevant content (to me), click any links available and bug right out again until months later. Or I used to until they did one more shitty little thing in terms of making logins even to scroll a few moments obligatory. So, nitter then, if the original Twaddler link is something I absolutely think is worth checking out for a few moments. As for actually participating in that toxic, naval gazing shit show of hostile tribalism, insipid 140 character nonsense and random incoherent snark, no thanks. I can&#x27;t even fathom why so many people give a damn at all.
WesleyLivesay大约 3 年前
I feel like Tweetdeck fixes 99% of the UI problems with Twitter, even in a mobile browser. UI clean of suggested tweet garbage, pure chronological feed, just a more compact view, the list goes on and on.
Lamad123大约 3 年前
The problem is even when you sign up, they restrict your account for commenting or liking something!! Now they want your phone number!!! Fuck you Agorwawol!! I hope this musk do something about it, although I doubt it!! They are all scumbags!!
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Terry_Roll大约 3 年前
Too many bots on Twitter passing the Turin test.
rado大约 3 年前
The rampant tracking is a ticking time bomb.
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Animats大约 3 年前
If you want to read Twitter without a Twitter account, the search function lets you read more before the paywall stops you. Until they plug that hole.
brettermeier大约 3 年前
Offtopic, but the &quot;bad design&quot; of Reddit is the old one, not the new one :P
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