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Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

245 点作者 acconrad大约 3 年前

37 条评论

claudiulodro大约 3 年前
It's wild to me that his way of figuring out what companies to apply for was to make a list of the top-paying ones and just pick the top 10 highest-paying. Is that a common strategy? No thought about product, industry, impact on the world, just $$$. It looks like it worked out for them though, since I guess they got like a million dollar offer, so maybe I'm the one approaching this the wrong way?
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hintymad大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t quite get the study plan, as it sounds more like cramming. Nothing wrong with cramming per se except that what you learn does not stick, and you will have to repeat the process when you need to switch jobs again.<p>I think a better system is to regularly study fundamentals and always deep dive in your work. Case in point, I&#x27;ve never had problems passing interviews by FAANG or other hot startups, I always got title bump when switching jobs, and I never spent extra time prepping for interviews. Say you&#x27;re an ML engineer who builds an image recognition pipeline using Spark and PyTorch. Do not just be content with assembling a number of open-source solutions to make your pipeline work. Instead, study the internals of Spark, understand the math and algorithms behind your image recognition models, read survey papers to understand the landscape of data processing and image recognition or further, machine learning, and implement a few models and try to optimize them. Similarly, if you work on database systems, do not just stop at being familiar with MySQL or Postgres or whatever. Instead, understand how transactions work, what consistency means, how principles of distributed systems play out. Study Jim Gray, Gottfried Vossen, Maurice Herlihy, Leslie Lamport, the database red book and its references... You get the idea.<p>As for leetcoding, replace it with study of algorithm designs. Study Jon Kleinberg&#x27;s book or Knuth&#x27;s writings (no, you don&#x27;t have to read through his books, but his writings are incredibly insightful even for mortals like us), for instance. Instead of working out hundreds of back-tracing problems, study backtracking&#x27;s general forms.<p>People tend to underestimate the effect of regular study for years. You&#x27;ll find that in a few years your knowledge will converge and you will be able to spend less time to incrementally improve your skills, and you will have so many concepts to connect to greatly benefit your projects.
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cebert大约 3 年前
Is something wrong with software engineering interviews that one could reasonably need to spend months prepping for interviews? Leetcode problems can be fun and interesting, but seldom represent problems and skills I employ daily as a more senior software engineer. Studying these problems won’t help me much at my current employer and likely wouldn’t after I passed the interview gauntlet at another firm.
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renewiltord大约 3 年前
There&#x27;s this class of engineer. They&#x27;re remarkably successful. Essentially, they mechanize the process of the job hunt:<p>- Optimize for comp at all costs<p>- Work at full professional capacity for the 9-5<p>- Excel at interviewing, often also fairly competent at their jobs<p>- See the job as &quot;just a job&quot;<p>Personally, I think that if you&#x27;re a startup you shouldn&#x27;t hire any of these people. But at big companies they will probably do really well. Essentially, just perfectly professional individuals, but I think I&#x27;d want people who care about the thing you&#x27;re building a lot more so they can influence its direction as well.<p>But that&#x27;s okay for both parties in the FAANG world. The guaranteed high comp is a FAANG thing in general. For a while, in the Bay Area, we were easily the highest comp shop and that led to us encountering these people a lot and it was never a satisfactory outcome. One even signed and then reneged 2 w before starting when Amazon matched.<p>Presumably in a year or so he will repeat the process and pump up his comp even more. I expect this guy to be quite wealthy in the next few years.
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maxfurman大约 3 年前
This whole process seems a bit psychotic. Is it really necessary to cram like you&#x27;re taking the SATs again to get a good job as a software engineer? Is &quot;has memorized some number of coding problems&quot; really a test of engineering knowledge?<p>I suppose it&#x27;s appropriate that after all that work, the author wound up at Facebook, the most soulless company on the list.
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notafraudster大约 3 年前
The proposed &quot;blind referral&quot; system, where people refer people they don&#x27;t even know for jobs, seems like it should be a completely worthless signal on the hiring side. On the referrer side the benefit is obvious, if the person gets the job you get cash. But on the company side, what is the value of a referral that&#x27;s predicated specifically on a shallow social interaction?
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lelanthran大约 3 年前
&quot;Once I showed the potential salaries to my wife, we both agreed it would be perfectly reasonable for me to ask for 30 minutes of additional “me time” per day to prepare for my next job,&quot;<p>What the hell? If he wants 30m to himself each day he needs to clear with his wife?<p>Don&#x27;t <i>most</i> people get more than 30m free time each day away from their partner? Just what kind of unhealthy relationship is this dude in?
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lokimedes大约 3 年前
That is the saddest self-realization post I have ever read. Boils down to accepting being a tool and proceeds with optimizing ROI on said tool.
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glouwbug大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m forcing myself to write my own programming language and then solve leetcode with it to stand a chance in today&#x27;s interview rodeo. If you&#x27;re interested: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;glouw&#x2F;rr&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;examples&#x2F;leetcode" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;glouw&#x2F;rr&#x2F;tree&#x2F;master&#x2F;examples&#x2F;leetcode</a>
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Apocryphon大约 3 年前
Article links to a video by Engineering with Utsav, which is a very good channel in my opinion. This is probably one of the best algorithm solving videos I’ve ever seen, since it does not rely on knowing any solutions beforehand but actually goes through the process of evaluating different techniques:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;FSycYs8RpsA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;FSycYs8RpsA</a>
Aeolun大约 3 年前
This sounds so dystopian. The sector is really sick if what you need to increase your salary by 100% is not doing your job correctly for years, but 3 months of focused study of popular question.
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prh8大约 3 年前
He spends a good chunk talking about figuring out how to get prep work without negatively impacting his life, but it&#x27;s interesting that there was no mention of how the actual new job would impact his life. Especially since he literally just picked the highest paying ones.
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CoolGuySteve大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s very funny&#x2F;sad how little all this work had to do with actual software engineering management.
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destitude大约 3 年前
Also interesting there was no concern about the &quot;evilness&quot; of Facebook. I could never work at Facebook no matter how much they offered. You could say they are &quot;in the business of making money&quot; but their actions (or lack thereof) has direct impacts on entire countries usually for the worse.
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JackMorgan大约 3 年前
There&#x27;s a lot of negative comments on here, but considering we often make more per hour than lawyers or doctors, and we don&#x27;t have bar exams or a medical license, I don&#x27;t see what else could be done. If we have to retake a mini bar exam targeted to the new role every time we want a higher paying job, that seems like a more efficient &quot;just in time&quot; method.<p>We could go towards licensure, but I&#x27;ve seen even less interest in that, and frankly for how fast tech changes I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s even feasible.
acconrad大约 3 年前
Hi folks!<p>Author here - did not expect this post to blow up. Figured it might be helpful to provide some context on points of confusion:<p>1. Money &gt; everything: an alternative way to look at this is that if you sort by offers, you notice there are a lot of neat companies in that list. I didn&#x27;t just sort and then blindly apply. I sorted, and noticed that they all had something I was really interested in. I use Amazon weekly. My side projects use Stripe. I have side projects in fintech, and Brex is in fintech. Facebook is the home of React, which I&#x27;ve built most of my career on. In seeking high comp, my goal is to be able to self-fund the earliest stages of a startup, as right now I just don&#x27;t have the idea that is compelling me to start something. I also want to help family, some of whom are in a financial rut. So it wasn&#x27;t like I only looked at money. I started with money as the way to narrow down the list, and it turned out that list had a lot of interesting companies on it.<p>2. Making time for studying: as some folks pointed out, I have young children and with both of us parents working, I wanted to just make sure I wasn&#x27;t encroaching on precious family time - and I think it&#x27;s important to run things by your family if you think a routine might change. Turns out that extra study time infringed on none of it. I mostly studied on nights and weekends, during the baby&#x27;s naps or after they went to bed. All I really wanted to say here was &quot;if I can make time with a family, I believe you can find the time to study, too&quot;<p>3. Do you really have to do this to land a good job? Heck no. My take on this was &quot;leave nothing to chance.&quot; You&#x27;d be surprised how many startups are leveraging the FAANG interview process. It takes work to prepare for interviews at quality companies. I didn&#x27;t want to spend the time interviewing with a company only to think &quot;why didn&#x27;t I prepare for this?&quot; It&#x27;s a waste of their time and mine if I don&#x27;t come in fully prepared.<p>Lastly, someone pointed this out, but I just have changed my value system on work. I do care about what I do, but it is just a job. Family and life are so much more.<p>I think I have burnout from startups as an employee. I&#x27;ve worked on everything from sports to climate change, and it&#x27;s been difficult to put so much heart and soul into something that statistically hasn&#x27;t had much of a payout, in either literal dollars or impact on the world.<p>So in seeking my next role, I figured that if I have to work hard anyway, I might as well get myself closer to goals external to work, such as retirement, college funds for my kids, and helping my family out of debt. Or even, possibly, starting my own company.<p>And in the end, I have fantastic work&#x2F;life balance. I spend less time working and more time with my family, all while making more. And I am very grateful that I have this time to focus more on family. While my initial list started with high-paying companies, by the time I had offers in, I very much wanted to ensure all of my needs were met, including time with my growing family.
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vmception大约 3 年前
&gt; referrals are the most important part of getting your foot in the door. …. Even still, I had referrals at both Google and Salesforce, both of which went nowhere after the initial submission phase.<p>Because referrals arent relevant at these companies! lol<p>man so out of touch, attributing way too much to the ways they acted<p>this is otherwise a good, no, amazing, blogpost!
kache_大约 3 年前
I went through a very similar process and my study plan was similar, though compressed into about a month and a half (no kid, younger). It was for an IC position. I wrote a blog post about it also (which I won&#x27;t share).<p>These interviews aren&#x27;t very inclusive of parents since they can&#x27;t sacrifice as much time. However, I interviewed at [redacted], and their interview required no prep (though it probably helped) yet was very difficult. Meanwhile, other places threw leetcode hards at me like dude... if I didn&#x27;t study every day there&#x27;s no way I would have been able to write a trie and backtrack and write unit tests in ~50 minutes (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leetcode.com&#x2F;problems&#x2F;palindrome-pairs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leetcode.com&#x2F;problems&#x2F;palindrome-pairs&#x2F;</a>)<p>I think [redacted]&#x27;s a lot closer to the ideal interview process than most other places. The sweet spot is &quot;be difficult, yet do not require a bunch of prep and keep it immune from gaming&quot;<p>FWIW after you do this prep grind like two times, it kinda sticks. Like, I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll ever have to study for more than a week again to grind back up<p>A key take-away from this blog post is that you should really be lining up your offers. I got a bunch of offers and was able to get an uplevel out of it I would have otherwise not gotten. Don&#x27;t be a schmuck, folks. Know your worth and always re-evaluate
sarchertech大约 3 年前
Why is the EM interview roughly the same as the IC interview? Are you expected to maintain your leetcode skills 10 years into an EM career?
whalesalad大约 3 年前
The meta-game that surrounds employment&#x2F;hiring in our industry has become ridiculous.
tester756大约 3 年前
On one hand I do understand why somebody would want put a few months into grinding questions like this, it could be life changing salary jump.<p>but on the other hand I feel like I&#x27;d feel like I&#x27;ve went into some bad direction with my life - where&#x27;s the curiosity part?<p>Idk, whenever I read about US software engineering market then I feel like it&#x27;s one big game<p>Here in eastern eu I&#x27;ve never been asked about anything that isn&#x27;t day to day stuff.<p>Of course sample size N=1, but also you don&#x27;t need fanciness for crud apps :)
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dhd415大约 3 年前
I recently went through this process with a lot of the same companies on this guy&#x27;s list although I limited mine to 100% remote roles. I do agree that some interview and coding prep is beneficial although not nearly as much as he suggests. I limited my prep to a round of &quot;practice&quot; interviews with 2 or 3 companies that I wasn&#x27;t really interested in. I then applied to the companies I was interested in and ended up with a 60% pay raise in a 100% remote role. I&#x27;d encourage anyone who can tolerate the interview process to go out and see what&#x27;s available these days. And I highly recommend the levels.fyi site for comp info. Based on my recent experience, their comp numbers are slightly on the low side, probably lagging slightly behind the recent rapidly-increasing comps for developers.
rootusrootus大约 3 年前
This sounds like a game for younger people. But then again, do FAANGs even hire middle aged developers? I ask because of genuine curiosity -- I have a decent network and could probably land another job pretty easily, but only one of my closer contacts works for a FAANG. So the only way I could even try would be through the front door, as it were.
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rla3rd大约 3 年前
I did the opposite, collected a bunch of salaries for my experience level on levels.fyi, showed them to my boss, and asked for a raise. Got a 50K bump without having to do much. I&#x27;m only in the mid 200s TC mind you, but not bad for just looking up what I could be worth.
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babelfish大约 3 年前
&gt; I would have the third-highest new offer on Levels out of over 200 offers on their site<p>Looking at Facebook&#x27;s salary data[0], does this mean the offer was in the ~$2M range?<p>[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-Engineering-Manager&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;company&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;salaries&#x2F;Software-En...</a>
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ghaff大约 3 年前
A lot of focus here on the salary aspect. But he also emphasizes referrals, albeit not necessarily in a personal connection sort of way. When I last changed jobs, a dozen or so years ago, my strategy was basically to put together a short list of companies that I was interested in and had connections at. I started at the top of that list, it worked out, and here I am.
2OEH8eoCRo0大约 3 年前
&gt; In the future, I will ask for referrals for all of my applications and not worry about prep.<p>Already thinking of jumping ship, eh?
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analog31大约 3 年前
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Get a referral for all of the jobs you apply for, study a standard list of questions, stack your interviews, and negotiate like a champ. Success is all but guaranteed.<p>ELI5 what getting a referral for a job means. I&#x27;ve been out of the market for a long time.
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supertofu大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m confused about how OP asked for referrals. Can you do that on Blind?
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mkl95大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m making twice as much I was making before the Great Resignation and it will be somewhere between 3x and 4x by the end of the year. Behind some job hopper there&#x27;s usually a bad CFO.
pjbeam大约 3 年前
This is roughly similar to my experience changing jobs recently. Adam was definitely more organized than I was. In any event congratulations on the strong offer @acconrad!
kerng大约 3 年前
So weird - I switched jobs recently and it was with zero interview preparation and I had competing offers from fang. I feel quality of engineers hired there is dropping.
LAC-Tech大约 3 年前
I remember the OP was in the AgTech space. I&#x27;ve been wondering recently if there&#x27;s much growth in it either.
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bicepjai大约 3 年前
Unless base pay was way higher and can compensate on sinking equity value, I think Meta seems like a gamble.
lordnacho大约 3 年前
How do they decide what band to put him in? Just based on the interview feedback + years of experience?
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couchdb_ouchdb大约 3 年前
“I ended up at Facebook” smh
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justinlloyd大约 3 年前
For years I have run in terror at the leetcodes I might be thrown by a tech company that thinks it is a FANG.<p>Looking at the &quot;Blind 75 Must Do Leetcode&quot; problems, I must say, I am disappoint.<p>I just spent four hours on a Friday evening going through each of the problems, and have so far solved 40+ of them, in a less than optimal fashion for the most part, but solved and &quot;correct&quot; to pass the test cases. Some of them were so dazzling easy (Coins, Sum2, Robber, Robber II, Word Search II), that I sat there for a good few seconds and thought &quot;That cannot be it, surely?!?&quot;<p>Am I missing something?
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