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Jewish problems

303 点作者 cal2超过 13 年前

21 条评论

jfruh超过 13 年前
This reminds me of an interesting story from <i>Not In My Neighborhood,</i> a history of residential and institutional segregation in Baltimore. Baltimore in many ways had three-way segregation -- black, white, and Jewish -- with Realtors for all three communities refusing to show houses in the "wrong" neighborhood to anyone. However, the public school system only had two-way segregation -- black and white, with Jews attending white schools.<p>Johns Hopkins, then as now an elite institution located in Baltimore, encouraged local kids to apply, and was integrated long before the public schools were. Hopkins never had any kind of restriction on the number of black students, but they <i>did</i> have quotas on the number of Jews. That's because the black school system was bad enough (and blacks generally financially disadvantaged enough) that they knew they'd never have more than about 5 percent or so of their student body being black -- enough to show that they were liberal and enlightened, but not enough to change the character of the student body. But if they let in all the Jews who qualified, the school would be half Jewish, which would be unacceptable, as they'd get a reputation as a "Jewish" school.<p>This is also one of the reasons for the long-ago heyday of City College in New York: as a public college, they didn't discriminate, and so a lot of Jewish kids who would have otherwise qualified to go to the Ivy League ended up there.
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Alex3917超过 13 年前
Whereas in the US the reason that colleges use essay questions is because jews score too highly on the SATs. We can thank Harvard for this, as usual. Gladwell has an essay about this here:<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/10/051010crat_atlarge" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/10/051010crat_atlar...</a><p>I forget what Gladwell is copying from, but I know that there is an earlier article that goes into even more detail.
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cheez超过 13 年前
Can someone please explain to me what the hell is the problem people have with Jews? The only thing I can tell is maybe they're disproportionately financially successful? I guess that's a problem...
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staunch超过 13 年前
&#62; <i>...these problems are distinguished by having a simple solution that is difficult to find.</i><p>Like the place to view the problems, for me at least: PDF <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.1556v1" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.1556v1</a>
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graupel超过 13 年前
As a Jewish American, the biggest question I have is "How does any college/institution know that I (or my children) are Jewish?"<p>We don't have a particularly Jewish last name, have some Irish mixed in with an Eastern European background, etc - without putting "Fluent in Yiddish" and "President of Temple Beth Sholom" on a resume, I don't see how anyone would ever pick us out from the crowd as being Jewish.<p>I can see how it would be easier to discriminate based on race, country of origin, or gender, than religion, that's all.
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natasham25超过 13 年前
Yep, that is why my family moved to the US from Russia. My mom wanted to be a doctor, but wasn't accepted to medical school even though she got straight As and was completely qualified. They just said they can't accept her because she's Jewish, and there is nothing she could do about it. I'm really glad I got to grow up here in America.
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eps超过 13 年前
FWIW the Jew discrimination in Moscow State University was non-existent by early 90s, and likely even earlier than that. I had a well over a dozen Jew friends join Math dept - basically every one who applied - around that time, with no fuss whatsoever. This was an attribute of earlier times, 50s through 70s.<p>Secondly, to those asking who did they know who was a Jew and who wasn't. First of all, the nationality was in a passport - the primary ID issued to everyone over 16 years of age. Secondly, they looked at the last name. Thirdly, to those trying to evade this sort of filtering through changing the last name, they asked for <i>mother's maiden name</i> - which is as conniving as it is clever. Fourthly, they just looked at the person. It was an oral exam after all.
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andreiursan超过 13 年前
Just want to say something about the math problems: I'm living in Romania, somehow closer to Rusia. Anyway, in Highschool I took private math lessons from an over 70 years old math teacher - man, he was so good at finding solutions to similar problems with those in the url. Sometimes the quickest solution is to construct your own function. I do enjoy the time when I had to solve problems like those, it is quite a creative process.
ryanhunt超过 13 年前
sounds like a similar (although at least a little bit more achievable) to the "White Australia Policy" that was once one in place, where a language exam was given to 'undesirables' in a language that it was clear the person wishing to emigrate to Australia could not speak.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy</a>
zmitri超过 13 年前
I once had a question on a first year calculus exam that broke down to problem 17. It took a while to figure it out, but the exam got bell curved up by almost 50% in the end.
zalthor超过 13 年前
When they say 'oral exams', are the applicants expected to shoot out an answer without actually looking at the problem or writing a solution? And if that's the case, how much time would they get to solve these problems mentally? I can't imagine being able to solve any of these without a pen and paper. I would assume that unless you already know the answer, there isn't a way for an 'unwanted' applicant to be able to do so either.
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3pt14159超过 13 年前
Were these questions for entrance from high school or a bachelors program?<p>If the latter, many (say half) of them are acceptable, but if the former then none of them are.
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01PH超过 13 年前
Makes an interesting read.<p>Does anybody know what kind of repository Cornell is there running? The paper seems a bit odd structured and I don't really see that as an open-access publication(lack of DOIs). Or is this just a working paper repository?
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gsivil超过 13 年前
I've just browsed the pdf and problem 2 is my favorite.
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pixcavator超过 13 年前
Here’s a “Russian” problem: find the largest projection on the plane of a box with sides a, b, c.
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Hitchhiker超过 13 年前
Truly remarkable.. and chilling.
known超过 13 年前
<a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/origins.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewfaq.org/origins.htm</a>
suivix超过 13 年前
I don't understand how these problems would be harder for Jews than anyone else. It's controversial in my opinion to claim that educated Jews are worse at these based on their ethnicity.<p>edit: wow people responded too quickly, sorry if it was to something I edited out
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known超过 13 年前
There are ~50 mutually exclusive religions in this world. It is prudent to create 50 independent states for these people. <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Religious_writings" rel="nofollow">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Religious_wri...</a>
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adrianwaj超过 13 年前
I'd pack my bags and go so quickly, so whose loss would be it be? Then as a non-Jew, I think I'd do the same.
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nivertech超过 13 年前
This thread prove only one thing: you can be sound and logical Hacker News reader, but once the topic is Jews and/or Israel - you become irrational and brain-washed.<p>Mdasen's comment is the only smart reply on this thread.