My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich.<p>That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student.<p>We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only one person in a hundred or a thousand take advantage of them, the impact can be enough to launch careers or start businesses with sizeable positive externalities.

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW.<p>Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless.<p>Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion:<p>1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Running cables in multilevel (American) homes is a major PITA.<p>2. My Wi-Fi (802.11ax) is heavily affected by homes around me so only one AP can run with 80MHz channel width and the rest is 20-40MHz. Throughput ends up being somewhere between 150Mbit-500Mbit, depending on where you are.<p>3. I have a few smaller servers running ..stuff. The trouble is not about server performance or bandwidth.. it’s about reliability. Running any business on consumer line (in the USA) is just signing up for trouble. (Eg. “Is your line down because your modem received a fault firmware? No worries, the tech is going to be there within next 4 days to check your cables…”).<p>4. Things like game downloads on PS5 .. yes, they are amazingly fast (even on 1Gbit. They install faster from internet than from the built-in BD-ROM). But many games need to also “install” (whatever that means on PS5) and that takes 2x the time of download anyway. I can live with that once a month.<p>5. Big fan of streaming services, however many providers limit bitrate on their side so I am still watching the sometimes blurry 4k …<p>Back to original question and with genuine curiosity - what is 25Gbit for???

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you.<p>I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is &quot;upgrading&quot; their network so now I can pay $200 USD&#x2F;month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks.<p>In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course.<p>They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK).<p>I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don&#x27;t see the point quite yet.<p>Considering that:<p>- Most of the devices I use are anyways connected to WiFi 6<p>- Reaching a 10Gbps peak is highly unlikely<p>- Most of my ethernet ports are anyways at most 1Gbps<p>- Most of the servers won&#x27;t serve you more than 1Gbps anyways<p>I do not really consider this a must-have upgrade for a residential customer, especially if you live alone &#x2F; less than 4 people.<p>On top of that, as demonstrated by these tests, servers aren&#x27;t quite there yet, and the 10Gbps &#x2F; 25Gbps you are getting are not fully dedicated to your connection.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I love to be able to use the fastest internet I can - but realistically speaking this is just useful in a few specific cases.<p>If you are hosting your own server at home, a 10 &#x2F; 25 Gbps upload is definitely interesting though.<p>It a nice thing to have already, and I&#x27;m really thankful to live in a country where I have the privilege of having such a luxury, but as of today a &gt;1Gbps connection is overkill (heck, for most of the stuff even a &gt;100Mbps is overkill sometimes).

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost.<p>I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

No %#*^ing way is he saturating a 25gbit connection to download a PS5 game — not on Sony’s EMEA servers anyway. He’d download the largest PS5 game out there (Borderlands at 50GB) in a minute anyway — probably before he could reach the full 25gbit. On a gigabit connection, he could download Borderlands in under 7 minutes. If that’s too long too wait, then having a faster connection isn’t this guy’s problem.<p>The only use case I can think of would be bit torrent where lots of peers housed in server farms could lead to full saturation. I’ve seen download speeds at 150MB&#x2F;s. That’s still a measly 1.2Gbit. But even when you’re talking about downloading remuxed 2160p files (~50-75GB) or the occasional collection (~100-200GB), I don’t see the need since it takes time to connect to the swarm and saturate those connections. Unless of course you want to seed it to the whole world.<p>Cool to have such big pipes, and I’m glad Switzerland is doing some good for science and proving to other ISPs that there’s profit to be had in avoiding rate limiting, but this is so wildly unnecessary.

25Gb&#x2F;s is just overkill for residential use. It&#x27;s really cool that&#x27;s it&#x27;s available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb&#x2F;s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb&#x2F;s is way overprovisioned for now.<p>WiFi goes up to 1Gb&#x2F;s, if you&#x27;re lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb&#x2F;s connector, but that&#x27;s not what you want or need, unless you&#x27;re a high-density enterprise. WiFi-6E will possibly improve that a bit, but it will take WiFi-8 to get anywhere close to saturation.<p>Wired, you can do 10Gb&#x2F;s for server systems, which are, amongst other things very loud and not very suitable for placement anywhere near humans. 2.5Gb&#x2F;s support is spotty, and 1Gb&#x2F;s still the only thing that works reliably.<p>So, exactly which residential application requires 25Gb&#x2F;s is not very clear. Yes, it&#x27;s cool, but not very useful, and faulting manufacturers (especially in times of crippling supply-chain limitations) for not fully supporting it is questionable.

Hmm... I just downgraded my Internet because I did not feel like paying the cable fees&#x2F;taxes (I do not watch cable or sports) and they came bundled with the higher speed. (You can now guess who my provider might be.)<p>My guaranteed speed is just 50Mbit&#x2F;s, and despite being a software engineer and streaming movies, I did not notice a difference. My son has to wait longer for his steam downloads sometimes.<p>25GBit&#x2F;s is impressive, though, and if I could get it here without strings attached I&#x27;d probably go for it, too.<p>BTW. My first experience was a dial-up model with 9600 baud, so maybe my expectations are just lower :)

I have a few different comments that came to mind from this post.<p>The first one being ADSL&#x2F;xDSL. ADSL is still very much alive in rural America. My sister pays about $50&#x2F;mo for 6 Mbps ADSL.<p>Having worked as a telephone tech, I can tell you that many people would be pretty surprised by the speeds that DSL is capable of. With a a new&#x2F;good condition cable, and a VDSL2, or the like modem, even without bonding, you can exceed 100 Mbps. With a shorter line, and bonding, you can go well beyond that.<p>The mention of PPPoE is interesting, because I recall having to use proprietary dialer software back in the day, before Windows and Linux baked in PPPoE, and home routers really weren&#x27;t a thing. One would think PPPoE has gone by the wayside, but the aforementioned sister is forced to use it with Frontier. Trying to disable all the routing functions on the ISP-provided router, and get creds to setup PPPoE on a customer provided router, is somewhat of a pain.<p>You&#x27;d think we moved passed it all with fiber, but I can personally say that AT&amp;T does not work this way. They actually use 802.1x authentication on their network, where their gateway they force you to use has the certificates built in. It really then comes down to being only able to set up a 1:1 NAT with a public IP, but then your traffic is still routed through their gateway, not a true network bridge.<p>Having AT&amp;T even set generic PTR records for the &#x2F;64 they assign you is unheard of, let alone getting them to delegate to you. It&#x27;s a fact of life in the US, where few ISPs can actually operate in the broadband market, short of the megacorps.

Consider me drooling.<p>I&#x27;m currently on 1000&#x2F;50 cable internet, which is already quite nice. Telekom is laying fibre but it&#x27;s not clear yet whether or not they will stop short of this house. Also i suspect it will be a while before they offer better than 1000&#x2F;500 service.

When we got fiber, our internet didn’t speed up. We just saw a monthly rate increase. The providers here throttle it so significantly that there isn’t any benefit, not even for upload. The plans that cost an extra $150 per month have far higher limits but that’s insane

“ The init7 engineer met me in front of the building and explained “Hey! You wrote my window manager!””<p>That’s so cool. Very cool he got to participate in the upgrade process.<p>I had 1G up&#x2F;down through FIOS (Verizon FTTH) but eventually downgraded to 500M because I was saving perhaps 10s a day for 50 bucks a month.<p>There has to be a server at the other end willing to give you data that fast.

My experience with fast internet has been that most CDNs are just not routed well and are quite slow (especially Microsoft). Only a few good ones allow me to saturate my Gbit internet. Not sure what I would do with 25 Gbit though.<p>What I do enjoy is that rsync.net is using the same ISP so I can max out my upload to them.

Swiss 26 Gbit&#x2F;s symmetrical… while in US getting 1Gbit&#x2F;s down is a minor miracle and anything resembling that up is downright impossible. My area in a major VHCOL metro area has a wonderful choice of 1 cable provider and maybe 2 fixed cell providers (may be because they can’t tell you if the tower will give you a decent speed until you unpack and install the system).<p>How US gets so little for so much spent is really beyond me.<p>So excited that at least somewhere sanity and quality prevail!!!

That was a delightful write up. My first _personal_ Internet connection was in France and was a dial-up 56kb&#x2F;s modem connection (I could saturate it! :) Just before moving from Denmark to USA I had dirt cheap 1 Gb&#x2F;s cable network so I was floored to find that not only not generally available in Silicon Valley, but also generally much more expensive and less reliable. In _Silicon_ Valley! (Yes, in SF there are more options today, but in the original Silicon Valley in the south bay, options are very poor and I refuse to ever again deal with Comcast).<p>My current provider (Sail Internet) provides a symmetric connection so I have experimented with cloud backup. The difference between my internal network (10G and some 100G) and the external (&lt; 1G) is pretty sad.<p>ADD: I&#x27;m so sick of hearing (&quot;why do you need that&quot; or &quot;what&#x27;s the point&quot;). There are plenty of applications TODAY, but even if you don&#x27;t have any, new ones will manifest themselves once the technology is available - it&#x27;s the way technology works (who would have imagined that daily video conference would be a part of life?).

As someone shopping around for a FTTH offering (to get out of my current DOCSIS plan) how can I figure out which routers are compatible with the ISP&#x27;s GPON?<p>I&#x27;ve had phone calls with them and the support&#x2F;sales reps have no idea. They provide their own router+AP box that takes the fiber and spits out WiFi and Ethernet, but how would I go about replacing that? Their hardware is obsolete, insecure, outdated and just all-around poor! I know I could set it to bridge and place my own router in between, but I&#x27;d love to just replace their box instead.<p>As far as I could figure out on my own, the best bet would be getting a EdgeRouter X SFP and then plugging in a compatible SFP module. Is that right? How would one figure out which SFP module to buy?<p>On top of all that: do ISPs run proprietary handshake stuff on top of it, where even if the physical connection is correct, the ISP refuses working with your box? or is it just like the old ADSL days when all you needed was just a PPPoE stack?

Does anyone have a good primer about optical networking links? Single and multimode fiber, connectors, transcievers, etc. When and why you would choose different technologies, how much they cost, etc. I&#x27;m realizing that I have a large hole in my knowledge there. Google is full of mid-tier SEO garbage as usual.

We have 500mbps for 50 people in the office in Poland (EU) and it seems fine. Ping under &lt;1ms does the real job (this is a commercial connection). People don&#x27;t watch movies but download Linux and other software on regular basis. We also do offline backups and this is the biggest bandwidth usage.<p>Our servers are 1Gbps and the bandwidth is rarely the biggest bottleneck.<p>I have 200&#x2F;20 in my own office and the biggest problem is that it works unreliably with Microsoft Teams and Google very often.<p>PS5 seems to have a 1Gbps interface.<p>I wonder if 25Gbit has <i>any</i> impact and what is the real stability of it in the Switzerland and the connection to major DCs and services. Entire Internet just doesn&#x27;t feel stable enough to use that bandwidth but maybe this is a problem here in Poland.<p>Do you encounter problems with Teams or Meets in your countries?

I&#x27;m in the US, and I could upgrade from 1 Gbps ($50&#x2F;month) to 10 Gbps for $200&#x2F;month. These are symmetrical speeds. That&#x27;s because of fiber was built out as a community project, rather than waiting for the existing ISP duopoly (who were paid millions of dollars by the federal government, to do exactly this, but didn&#x27;t).<p>The reason I haven&#x27;t, isn&#x27;t that more isn&#x27;t better, it is that equipment costs and hassle to deliver 10 Gbps around the residence is a giant PITA as the article kind of demonstrates. If 2.5 Gbps ethernet equipment becomes more common and cost-effective, I&#x27;d definitely consider the 10 Gbps offering but until then, it isn&#x27;t worth $1K or more to get prepared.

Stupid question, but if your hard drive cannot write 25Gbit&#x2F;s<i>, how is it handled?<p></i> I don&#x27;t knwo anything about SSD so maybe 25Gbit&#x2F;s is easily achievable, just talking from my experience of copying from a USB Drive to my local disk.

In neigbouring Germany, we had a lady from Deutsch Telekom asking us today if they should build a 250 Mbps line to our building!

I fondly remember the days in 2010 in Zurich, and cablecom had good functional internet, don&#x27;t remember the speed. Then I moved to Germany in 2013, and it surprised me that I can&#x27;t have internet in my apartment for the next two months, because the technician appointment and when I finally received, I got a meagre DSL connection with bad ping and 32 Mbits.<p>It has gotten better over the years, but even the best available consumer connection is 1000 Mbits down and 200Mbits up.<p>Majority of the tech Germans I meet are embarassed about the internet and telecom infra, being an advanced economy.<p>Hopefully the new government fixes things.

The challenge with anything above a gig is the LAN. 10gig+ switches and SFP modules are expensive for consumers. So is the client hardware. We use thunderbolt 3 on our macs with ATTO Thunderlink to get 40Gbps locally and they’re kinda the only option and their hardware is bulky, expensive and their software sucks.<p>Also config on Mac is awkward.<p>There’s also some weirdness when you upgrade to that speed into a backbone with sub 10ms latency where, for example, Teamspeak’s servers kept booting us because a security mechanism thought we were doing something naughty. We had to use a VPN to connect to add back latency.

I don&#x27;t get the &quot;lack of use case&quot; comments. There is no use case TODAY. But what does having 25Gbit fiber enable to be built TOMORROW? Shared photorealistic VR spaces immediately come to mind.

Everyone is missing the fact that this is just the last mile speed. I would guess that the uplink is very heavily oversubscribed. Indeed, from TFA, his ISP is a boutique kind of ISP (at least in USA they are nearly nonexistent unless you are rural -- I happen to be and have similar access to my ISP) and he even had access to the POP. The edge switches only have a 4x40&#x2F;100G uplink in this case. The connections can obviously be bonded but the ISP remarks on their own page that the uplink is &quot;just&quot; 100G, ie not utilizing the full capacity available to the hardware.<p>This is great for sporadic (very high peak to average consumption), residential type of use. Sharing such a high speed link across many subscribers is great. But in no way is this capable of running high bandwidth streaming servers, datacenter-like, from your home, as some are suggesting. Just 4 customers like that would consume the entire bandwidth. No sane ISP would allow even 1 customer to use all their 25G, continuously, that they might argue they paid for.<p>The peering&#x2F;transit that the ISP has is also a hugely important factor to how &quot;good&quot; this 25G connection really is.<p>I&#x27;m not knocking it -- I wish I could get even 100M. But at the end of the day, a 1G connection that many USA city dwellers can get will be just as useful as the provisioning of such will be vastly different than the provisioning of this 25G service.

I bought the same connection. It was the same monthly price, just a slightly higher upgrade fee.<p>I have not actually upgraded my router at all so I not profiting as much from it as I could.<p>Still, love init7 and their service.

My first internet, and my internet for up until my teenage years until ~2005 was 14.8kbps, we couldn&#x27;t get faster than that for some reason.<p>When we got 2Mbit I was AMAZED. The entire internet now actually semi-worked.<p>Now in 2022 I have gigabit (down, 50Mbit up) internet, with WiFi6 on my devices it&#x27;s amazing (I&#x27;m hardwired for my desktop).<p>Aussie Broadband here in Australia is my current ISP, and they are amazing. FTTP was a major upgrade.<p>But the thing which hurts where I am (Perth, AU) is the latency to everything, not the download speeds :).

Damn, that&#x27;s impressive. Technically I could get 2Gbps with the two providers running their own fiber in the neighborhood. But I don&#x27;t even fully use one gigabit connection, running a torrent client is about the only thing that can do it. Any ideas welcome :D<p>Curious thing, the ISPs don&#x27;t oversell even though they easily could. I get exactly what I pay for, speed is never below ~940Mbps (down or up), and uptime has been stellar.

If only one person has 25Gbit, it&#x27;s not a drastic impact. But if 25Gbit becomes the norm, it means all new use cases can be delivered. 8k video streams at 15bit color ranges, games streaming assets over the wire, mounting file systems that live directly in the cloud, etc.<p>I can&#x27;t even think of it all probably. Maybe VR streaming and other things.<p>Maybe we can finally have higher resolution gifs?

A lot of people are joking ( or not ) about 640Kb memory ought to be enough. Well the average computer system has the same 1Gbps Ethernet and 8GB Memory for the past 15+ years. And there are nothing on the current roadmap to suggest this is going to change in the next 8 years ( 2030 ). i.e The Power Law.<p>With 1Gbps or 100MB&#x2F;s you could download 6GB in a min, roughly the size of an OS update or with 10Gbps internet which isn&#x27;t as far fetch as others have said in comments, it takes less than 10s to download the update. It then takes 15min if not more for the CPU to work those 6GB files before the update finishes.<p>PCI-E 6.0 gets 8GB&#x2F;s for 1x or 16GB&#x2F;s for PCI-7.0. Ignoring the power &#x2F; heat issue. We now have I&#x2F;Os that are way quicker than how the CPU could response. The whole Software and Computer ecosystem may need a rethink to gain more performance.

25 Gb&#x2F;s to the internet providers speedtest server is kinda cute. But most CDN&#x27;s limit is much, much lower.

&gt; <i>fiber7 costs only 65 CHF per month and comes with a symmetric 1 Gbit&#x2F;s connection.</i><p>65 CHF = US $67.89

At 25 Gbit&#x2F;s your computer may likely not be able to keep up, unless you have NVME based SSD. We are talking about 3GB&#x2F;s+ which my 24-drive NAS (old) can’t get beyond 2.6 GB&#x2F;s with ZFS.<p>Absolute madness. But this kind of bandwidth isn’t meant for a single machine.

I&#x27;m really unsure as to whether it&#x27;s worth investing whatsoever in consumer grade fiber connections.<p>My speeds are advertised as 1Gbits down and 100Mbits up. On speed tests, I get much higher downloads (~1.5Gbits per second). This might be because it&#x27;s not capped properly, and I live in a place that they&#x27;re still building houses in (I imagine that our &quot;box&quot; is not yet saturated).<p>However, I rarely max that speed out in any download. Video games on Steam max out at maybe 65 megabytes per second. wget commands go from between 10 megabytes per second to maybe 40 max.<p>The thing is, I know that the speed tests are legit, because I can do several of these things at once and none of them lose any speed.

Another guy with the same connection ^^ <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;henschel.network&#x2F;dual-stack-router-with-ubuntu-20-04-lts&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;henschel.network&#x2F;dual-stack-router-with-ubuntu-20-04...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.speedtest.net&#x2F;result&#x2F;c&#x2F;515d9bf5-2c10-4555-90ef-18e1144399a1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.speedtest.net&#x2F;result&#x2F;c&#x2F;515d9bf5-2c10-4555-90ef-1...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.speedtest.net&#x2F;result&#x2F;c&#x2F;7de2e830-7737-4330-90d1-4e55074e1ca2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.speedtest.net&#x2F;result&#x2F;c&#x2F;7de2e830-7737-4330-90d1-4...</a>

In the linked blog post to init7 (translated), it says this: “Backhaul means the return of the data to the backbone, i.e. to the connecting area of the network. The backbone connects the various subnets. Each Fiber7 pop is newly connected with at least 100Gbit&#x2F;sec backhaul capacity, which corresponds to 10 to 50 times over-provision”<p>Is that a normal over provisioning rate for an internet connection? It seems like each pop can only support four people at maximum speed before bandwidth would drop.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.init7.net&#x2F;de&#x2F;neue-infrastruktur&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.init7.net&#x2F;de&#x2F;neue-infrastruktur&#x2F;</a>

25gb&#x2F;s is nice. I am envious of locations that have a modern local fiber network and more options.<p>My 2 fiber connections are 500mb&#x2F;s and each cost $350 to activate, $150&#x2F;mo each not counting the costs for static IP&#x27;s. Trenching it in was $3k. I&#x27;m more than happy with 500mb but the price could be lower. For my specific use cases it is less about bandwidth and more about latency&#x2F;peering arrangements. I would personally be happy splitting as low as 100mb&#x2F;s across many devices with fq_codel or cake and cdg on my little firewalls. I can&#x27;t really complain though. The alternatives here are 4G LTE or Starlink.

Cool read !<p>Moved into a new apartment which (unbeknownst to me at first) also has the capability of 25 Gbps with init7, unfortunately that was before getting a locked-in into a 1 (or is it 2?) year contract with my current provider (1000&#x2F;100 Mbps, so I can’t really complain). Looking forward to having that contract expire and upgrading though, but then the issue is going to be how to distribute all that bandwidth properly over the house (most devices I use are still 1 Gbps OOTB) :).

Wow... I remember frothing over the 128k ISDN at my office in the 90s.<p>For perspective, an 8k video stream requires ~40-50Mbps[1]. Theoretically, 25Gbps is sufficient to stream ~500 * 8k streams concurrently.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.streamingmedia.com&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;Editorial&#x2F;Short-Cuts&#x2F;Video-How-Much-Bandwidth-Will-You-Need-to-Deliver-8K-131687.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.streamingmedia.com&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;Editorial&#x2F;Short-Cuts...</a>

I&#x27;m thrilled with my gigabit fiber from Sonic. I wonder how many of their customers even get the full gigabit though; if they are connecting with WiFi they almost certainly aren&#x27;t. And even ethernet is still not reliably gigabit in homes with older wiring. But this 25gbit is in another category.<p>I&#x27;m impressed the Ookla speedtest server can deliver 25Gbit.<p>The 25gbit network card he mentions costs $400-$500, that&#x27;s cheaper than I would have guessed.

I smell marketing hype.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I&#x27;m super jealous and <i>of course</i> I&#x27;d love to have a 25Gbit connection at home.<p>But I think we need to step back from the Kool Aid for a moment and ask ourselves:<p><pre><code> - What&#x27;s the likelihood of the remote servers you are connecting to having a 25Gbit connection ? - Even if the servers do have &gt;=25Gb connection, what are the chances of the server sysadmin allowing one user to hog a large chunk of capacity ? - Even *IF* the answer to the above two questions is positive, what are the chances of your magical 25Gbit ISP having sufficient backbone + peering + transit capacity to fulfill the 25Gbit to its users at all times ? </code></pre> I foresee a lot of contention&#x2F;bottlenecking and basically a lot of reliance on &quot;not everyone will be using it at the same time&quot;.<p>I also suspect the small-print of the ISP could make for interesting reading.<p>EDIT TO ADD:<p>Found the relevant clause in their conditions:<p><i>The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanently restrict or discontinue the provision of services for connections whose data volume exceeds 0.5 petabyte (500 terabytes) in a period of 4 weeks, or to take another suitable measure.</i><p>I&#x27;ll leave it as an exercise to the reader as to how long it takes to transfer 500TB on 25Gbit ;-)

What is the use case for this? How are you doing to utilise it? According to fast.com I have 29Mbps and I see no reason why I would need to go faster now. And to be said, I&#x27;m WFH all the time, I have a homelab and we stream movies, not once since pandemic started I had a thought I might need faster broadband. My home router has SFP port.

The speed aside there are multiple other positive aspects mentioned that serve as a role model for larger providers, sadly…

AT&amp;T can only do 50Mbps to my house. Three orders of magnitude less than this person. &quot;Fortunately&quot; I also have Comcast which does a mighty 1.2Gbps. Both suck so much.<p>But AT&amp;T tells me not to worry, it has fiber rolling into my neighborhood. I know it must be true because they&#x27;ve been telling me that for the past 5+ years!

For me it was the 2ms ping that had me jealous. After maybe 200 mbs I would trade almost all bandwidth for more latency.

Here in Bangkok, Thailand 1Gbps down and 500Mbps up in Bangkok is around 650 Baht per month which is just under $20 USD.<p>Now there is 2 Gbps up and down available which is slightly less than $40.<p>Brah. USA&#x2F;Canada&#x2F;Australia is so far behind its not even funny anymore. Let&#x27;s not even get started on things like banking.

I saw this, and immediately went to check if my ISP does something similar.<p>Lo and behold, I can get a 10G line, and in a little while, probably 20G.<p>Then I realized that I don’t even come close to saturating the 2G I currently have. Cables are limited to 1Gbit, and the wifi doesn’t go higher than 500Mbit.

Sat in the UK with my 25 Mbps for £50 a month - definitely gives some perspective on things

Amazing, I can&#x27;t even get 100mbit+ here in West London. the only way I can get faster internet is to pay a lot of money to get private fibre. I did see G.Network digging around near me. I am wondering if they easily support Mews houses

It&#x27;s crazy that at this speeds (and I mean, it&#x27;s not a new thing) your internal infrastructure can be the bottleneck<p>You have 100Mbit internet? Cool, your 54Mbit only WLAN devices are now the bottleneck.<p>But now it&#x27;s your 10GB ethernet that&#x27;s the limit.

Our business has no access to anything like this in Australia. It would cost something like $25,000 per month to get this kind of connection.<p>If we had this, it would allow us to literally grow at double or triple the speed.

Looks like the speed tests revealed test providers with 10G connections, the 25G connection could fully saturate the test host. It is unusual for a single client to have more bandwidth than some services.

What&#x27;s impressive to me here is not the capacity but the price for the capacity. At allegedly 777 CHF per year this is a steal so far removed from my reality it&#x27;s obscene.

With a simple and lean signaling p2p protocol, with sufficient nodes at that speed (and support of diffserv), popular live streamers with a few thousands of viewers could part from twitch&#x2F;youtube and similar.<p>For broadcast, namely the scale above (for instance a public TV channel), if I recall properly, IPv6 has many broadcast IPs... just need the IAPs of a &quot;telecommunication zone&quot; (state, country, etc) to manage to work together at that level. I think IPv6 multicast is &quot;too much&quot; for IAPs to handle though (the whole &quot;subscription&quot;&#x2F;&quot;unsubscription&quot; propagation for domestic users, not limited to CDNs only).

Ok, I knew I wanted to move to Switzerland, but now it&#x27;s official :) Fortunately, my wife is from there, but we always lived in other countries. Hot Damn.

I live outside Atlanta and pay $100&#x2F;mth for &lt;50M...

This person is able download 5.4 day worth of data in 1 second that I was able to download with my 56k dialup internet back in the day.

Canada here. 500 Mbps is like $80&#x2F;month lol.

Fibre to Node connection in Australia max speed to my home is 29mbps.<p>I have Starlink and 4G because our internet infrastructure here is abysmal.

I have 1000&#x2F;1000 fiber i my Oslo apartment. Pointless most of the time, especially since i only run gigabit network.

TIL the creator of i3 is a fellow Swiss

Here I am 3 months after move in and $5500 later and Charter STILL hasn&#x27;t installed my 1 gb cable.

Holy shit how do I move to your place?

It feels surreal that I pay 100PLN&#x2F;month (~25usd) for my symmetrical 1Gbit&#x2F;s in Poland.

The datahoarder and homelab community welcomes all the bandwidth you got, thank you.

This is so depressing to read. I can’t imagine an ISP like this existing in Canada.

high upload speeds is what will bring the decentralization we are looking for

I wonder what systems the ISP has in place to avoid such networks becoming sthe source of DDoS attacks.<p>Given the generally dire security of home routers (and understandably low security of most home networks&#x2F;users) it feels a little like giving people far more power than most can safely wield.

in California the fastest internet available to me is 50Mb&#x2F;s. and it constantly spikes to 1000ms pings.<p>i saw a dude living miles off-grid in Sweeden with a fiber connection routed to his tiny house in the woods ...

At my place residential 1gbps is $80&#x2F;m, 2gbps $120, 5gbps $300 :-(

a lot of commenters asking why should take note that it costs exactly the same monthly as 1 or 10 gigabit.<p>as for saturability, I had no issues to pull 25Gbit&#x2F;s between .ch and .hu using bbr.

Latency means he will probably need at least 50 TCP streams to saturate this connection, how fast something blinks doesn&#x27;t matter if protocols doesn&#x27;t allow continuous blinking.

This is impressive. If everybody had data center like speeds to their home. Decentralization might actually work.

Meanwhile in Germany the fastest connection is 100 MBit down.. 20 up

I’m so envious.

I expect the 25Gbps link to be over-subscribed. Without minimum bandwidth guarantees, with 48Y4C * 2 switch and 100Gbps backhaul to the whole PoP (with minimum 64 customers for it to break-even), I suspect the sustained bandwidth will fluctuate wildly. In the worst case scenario, each customer may get a sustained bandwidth less than 50Mbps. Of course the big advantage is burst bandwidth is much higher.