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Shanghai video overwhelms Chinese censor, gets 400M views

293 点作者 hongsy大约 3 年前

24 条评论

hongsy大约 3 年前
What really grates at people’s nerves?<p>Uncertainty. Not knowing when you will end up testing positive and be whisked off by one of the commissar’s white costumed goon squads in the middle of the night. If you don’t agree, that’s when they typically come, like the NKVD secret police back in the Soviet Union. And not knowing what will happen to your children, your elderly parents and your pets if &#x2F; when that day comes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austrianchina.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;tragedy-and-hope-in-shanghai?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;s=r" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austrianchina.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;tragedy-and-hope-in-sha...</a>
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udev大约 3 年前
One thing that I observe about how China deals with COVID: leadership assumes that they have perfect control over perfect people.<p>Therefore they try these type of solutions like complete lock-down of a city of 26m people.<p>They assume that they are perfect as leaders, so planning is perfect and takes everything into consideration.<p>They assume that people will execute their orders perfectly, even under extreme hardship (hunger, lack of medication, being separated from children in hospital, being separated from sick parents, etc).<p>Of course none of that is true.<p>For all its failures, democracy at least has taught us to incorporate the human imperfection into the process and the decisions.<p>We have to compensate for human imperfection, the same way a good engineer takes into consideration the imperfection of the materials, imperfection of signals, numerical imperfections in algorithms, etc.<p>I am curious when China will adjust their model&#x2F;plan for COVID to consider the vast amount of counter-evidence that is accumulating.
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perihelions大约 3 年前
The secret police apparently got to the author of the video:<p>- <i>&quot;“However, I don’t wish this video to be distributed in the directions I don’t want,” he added. “I hope everyone stops sharing, or please asking people you know to stop sharing.”&quot;</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2022&#x2F;apr&#x2F;22&#x2F;sound-of-april-chinese-netizens-get-creative-to-keep-censored-film-in-circulation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2022&#x2F;apr&#x2F;22&#x2F;sound-of-april...</a>
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nielsole大约 3 年前
How did this article get the view &quot;behind the curtain&quot;? Conference calls of the Beijing network surveillance office are hardly public knowledge? Together with the imprecise writing (&quot;All the alerts went red&quot;) the articles claims are hard to take at face value.
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fma大约 3 年前
So...how can we trust the writings of the author? Can the data be validated elsewhere? A video posted 8PM with ...11PM it has 30 million views...midnight 100 million, 1:05AM, 300 million. There were 200 million WeChat users up between 12AM and 1:05AM who viewed it?<p>And with all those views - the Chinese government did not hold a conference call till 12:30PM? 12 hours later?<p>I&#x27;m no dictator, but I would have circuit breakers much earlier than at 400 million, and if things go &#x27;red&#x27; I wouldn&#x27;t wait till after lunch the next day to convene a meeting. But, that&#x27;s just me.
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wodenokoto大约 3 年前
&gt; At this time the public opinion control system warning was triggered, and manual intervention began. ... manual intervention could not keep up with the speed of retweeting and posting. All available staff were called up to support the suppression effort.<p>How does the authors know all this? This sounds like super detailed insider information.
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usernomdeguerre大约 3 年前
One aspect of this that i&#x27;m hoping a more informed person can comment on:<p>Are the news reports of anger by shanghai residents directed against the national or provincial(?) government? From what I previously read Shanghai was discussed as a factional stronghold not wholly subservient to the national government (to Xi). That being the case i&#x27;ve been curious if these draconian measures have been imposed from the national level meant to weaken that faction&#x27;s provincial support?<p>Given the numbers of deaths being so low and not having read about overwhelmed hospitals, these almost seem like own-goals by the chinese government? But a factional dispute would explain it, in my mind. Does anyone have any better data?
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blisterpeanuts大约 3 年前
I wonder whether the Shanghai situation will be what finally catalyzes real political reform. The people have put up with a lot from this regime over the years. Shanghai has historically been where anti-government movements get going. It will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few months.
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throwaway4good大约 3 年前
For context - Shanghai is reporting around 50 COVID deaths per day at the moment:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;china-business&#x2F;article&#x2F;3175393&#x2F;shanghai-adds-51-new-deaths-covid-19-takes-total-toll-138" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;china-business&#x2F;article&#x2F;3175393...</a><p>Shanghai adds 51 new deaths from Covid-19, takes total toll to 138 amid rise in symptomatic cases<p>City reports rise in new symptomatic cases to 2,472, while total new infections amounted to 19,455 in the previous 24 hours, a slight decline<p>Local health authorities in Beijing say the virus has been spreading undetected in the city for about a week
user_named大约 3 年前
I can confirm that this was being shared Friday and Saturday and a lot of people cross posted screenshots of deleted videos to their Instagram stories.
thorin大约 3 年前
Honestly, this video is sad, but it&#x27;s incredibly tame compared to criticisms of western Governments you see every day online. China even with their firewall can&#x27;t stop people sharing this kind of thing widely. Everyone knows all their &quot;official&quot; figures around Covid are made up. I think they are backing the wrong horse on this occasion and their strategy could backfire bigtime. I don&#x27;t think the other countries will have much sympathy if there is widespread hunger and unrest in China. Will be interesting to see what happens.
fqye大约 3 年前
Typing this from shanghai now.<p>It is crazy that CCP is again on the course of self destruction.<p>Maybe this sort of self destruction is inevitable for every single major power. It is just a matter if one can correct the wrong and change course before it is too late.<p>USA ditched Trump by election. Putin is doing shit to Russia.<p>It is happening in China now.<p>Chinese people can put up with CCP because we have been through too much disasters. A stable and somehow rational one-party rule is NOT so bad as long as stability is maintained and people&#x27;s private space is respected to an acceptable level.<p>Shanghai is right now at the edge of breaking this unwritten agreement between CCP and the people. If this goes on for a few more weeks, there will be social unrest.<p>I am not optimistic about it.
resfirestar大约 3 年前
Just a note, the English subtitling in the video embedded in this post is pretty inaccurate in places. Not in a malicious way, I think the translator just isn&#x27;t very skilled at English. If you haven&#x27;t seen the video before I would suggest this version which should be easier to understand: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=38_thLXNHY8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=38_thLXNHY8</a>
tempestn大约 3 年前
Does anyone understand why China is willing to implement these extremely draconian lockdown measures, but not to mandate vaccination? As I understand it the main reason why the virus is still so dangerous there is due to the low vaccination rate among the elderly population. I&#x27;m not saying I personally support forced vaccination, but I&#x27;m surprised that the CCP doesn&#x27;t, given they&#x27;re willing to forcibly detain people who test positive.
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user_named大约 3 年前
I can also add that because of this, people in other cities do not see the wechat moments posts of people in Shanghai. May have been relaxed by now but has been the case.
langsoul-com大约 3 年前
Numbers from China always seem outrageous, 400 million views? It&#x27;s lik there&#x27;s too many zeroes added.
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nathanaldensr大约 3 年前
Why isn&#x27;t this being called a humanitarian crisis by our illustrious Western leaders?
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SixDouble5321大约 3 年前
My western biased understanding of China has me convinced this is at least mostly true. I am confused, though, about the calculation of what percentage of Chinese netizens saw the video.
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rishabhd大约 3 年前
Getting Akira vibes from that Video.
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anovikov大约 3 年前
It is astounding to see that people don&#x27;t revolt. Just get to the streets and kill everyone in uniform from whatever service they are, burn police stations and resume normal life. What will authorities do? Send the army into a 20M city?
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user_named大约 3 年前
#shanghai404 on Instagram
taylorhou大约 3 年前
#shanghaistrong
Shadonototra大约 3 年前
it reminds me of the hollywood-esque videos we seen from ukraine, same team?
lifeplusplus大约 3 年前
what does china govt know that rest of the world doesn&#x27;t know about current spread of virus...??? Such extreme measures make me think we are missing something
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