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Ask HN: WFH – will I be outsourced?

94 点作者 dnndev大约 3 年前
I once heard, if you can work from home you will be out sourced.<p>Is the WFH movement going to turn into a “they replaced with with cheaper labor from xyz?” Is this a be careful what you ask for situation?

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PragmaticPulp大约 3 年前
I worked for a company that embraced remote, distributed work long before COVID.<p>WFH doesn’t automatically lead to outsourcing, but it does move it a lot closer. Once the company dynamic has shifted to all communications and interactions being online, it’s very easy to add someone from a different country as long as the time zones aren’t too far apart and the logistics of employing and paying them aren’t too onerous for HR.<p>The company I worked for eventually did ramp up foreign hiring and perform layoffs in the US. It was just too to hard to ignore the fact that they could hire 2-3 engineers in foreign countries for the same price as a single engineer in the US in many cases. Or, as they discovered, they could pay 75% of US engineer wages and still be giving someone in a foreign country top-1% compensation for their country. This made for ecstatic, hardworking, loyal foreign employees. It’s hard to ignore situations where you’re paying less and getting more.<p>It didn’t mean that everyone in the US was laid off, though. Certain talents and specialties were still easier to find here than in foreign countries.<p>However, I think a lot of people are in denial about how much remote work is setting the stage for a flattening of global engineering compensation. Engineers in lower comp areas will see their salaries rise as they get access to more opportunities. Engineers in higher compensation areas are going to see downward pressure on salaries as they compete on a global stage. The exception will continue to be engineers with the most in-demand skills, who were likely already competing on a global stage.
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posnet大约 3 年前
I find it funny that with the WFH movement people some to have forgotten the lessons learned from the early 2000s outsourcing&#x2F;offshoring craze.<p>Many companies tried to move their development offices offshore to India, Vietnam, Bulgaria, Ukraine, anywhere with significantly cheaper labour. And the first lesson these companies learned was the second you&#x27;ve trained a person from that area to the point that you are happy, they will quit, because now they have the skills to get hired by another multinational and leave for a more affluent pastures.<p>It wasn&#x27;t until people realized to took more to build offshore workforces. You have to build teams of people, you have to support their families (especially is south east asia), you need to provide benefits and incentives for them to stay in their home town. But most of all you need to become part of the local community. Otherwise you will always be a naive multinational to be taken advantage of as long as it&#x27;s convenient. And the intelligent and driven people, the exact people you want to hire there, all know this.<p>I can see the exact same thing playing out in the WFH movement, with managers proclaiming that now that they can hire anywhere they can do away with much of the support and non-financial compensation inherit to office work. But they will run head first into the same problems as offshoring. A job is more than money, especially in an creative&#x2F;problem solving industry like software development (and if you disagree, you are lying to yourself), your work, your colleagues and your company shape you, (should) support and reflect on you to all future employers. Loyalty has to be earned, and if all you are doing is relying on salary for this, then your loyalty is worth the dollars between you and your competitor.<p>My view is that we&#x27;ll settle on a bimodal steady state. With WFH first companies that put in the time, money and effort needed to support a remote workforce. And traditional office work (with maybe a bit more flexibility) going back to full time face to face. I don&#x27;t think the hybrid model can work.
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drdaeman大约 3 年前
It&#x27;s &quot;can&quot;, not &quot;will&quot;.<p>When the work requires in-person presence, you&#x27;re essentially competing against the people who can also attend your workplace - locals and those willing to relocate. When the work can be done remotely, the competition is naturally bigger. Obviously, if we&#x27;re not talking about applying somewhere new, then there are costs of replacing an already onboarded employee which can be quite prohibitive etc, so you have a natural advantage.<p>However, most importantly, all this applies only if people compete for your position. I believe, still, software engineering is one blessed and super-privileged industry where there is a lot of money and significantly more demand than supply for higher-skilled folks (although I&#x27;ve heard junior-level job market is pretty saturated and situation there is quite dire). So if you are in such conditions, and assuming your performance (and value to the company) does not suffer, getting outbid is not an exactly probable event.<p>[Added a bit later] Unless your company is not doing well and is looking ways to cut corners. Then - yes - getting replaced with someone cheaper that&#x27;s not exactly improbable. So, keep an eye and year for company&#x27;s health - and be aware that some executives could lie straight to your face how everything is amazing while simultaneously thinking of how it&#x27;s best to abandon this ship in a most profitable manner.
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webmaven大约 3 年前
In theory, perhaps. But first consider whether the company gains value from workers sharing a time zone, language, cultural context, etc., all of which push against replacing employees with &quot;cheaper&quot; ones from abroad.<p>In many ways the ideal remote first company manages to address and eliminate these constraints (eg. by adopting async communication channels) to truly enable employees to come from and work from anywhere, but this is definitely not particularly common. For that matter, many of the companies that have embraced remote first principles tend to offer salaries that aren&#x27;t adjusted to local COL, so an offshore worker isn&#x27;t necessarily cheaper, unless you&#x27;re comparing to the very highest COL labor markets.<p>So, if you&#x27;re a fully remote SWE employee who lives in Manhattan or the SF Bay Area, working for a company that has embraced Remote First and making it work, and drawing a salary appropriate to those places, then you <i>might</i> be replaced with someone &quot;cheaper&quot; from elsewhere in the US or even globally, but I wouldn&#x27;t lose sleep over it unless you think you&#x27;re bad at your job.
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daviddever23box大约 3 年前
Don’t believe the propaganda.<p>If you CAN be outsourced, work-from-home has little or nothing to do with any motivations to start that process.
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silisili大约 3 年前
No better or worse than before, IMO. It&#x27;s a pendulum that keeps swinging back and forth. Cost cutting leads to outsourcing, which leads to reduced quality and or output, which leads to people coming in to grow and revamp, which comes back to hiring local, rinse and repeat.<p>I&#x27;m mostly convinced great and established software engineers around the world already do well for themselves. If you&#x27;re cheaping out on salaries, here or abroad, you&#x27;re likely not getting anything good.<p>I&#x27;d much, much, much rather have one proficient, in my timezone developer at 200k than 4 offshored developers at 50k.
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Mave83大约 3 年前
We from croit.io hire worldwide with work from everywhere. Since COVID-19 we see a huge increase in salaries of usually low labor cost countries. It&#x27;s still cheaper, but there are reasons to get more expensive employees as well.<p>For example we have a hard time to find Linux System Administrators &#x2F; DevOps that want to support our global customer base. We even need to get more US engineers onboard to fulfil requirements of large companies or governmental customers.<p>What you can expect, is a way more competitive environment in the future. We made quite good experience with our stuff and it brings a lot of value into a company to have a team with total different ways of thinking and viewing things. Just don&#x27;t worry, be flexible, learn everyday, keep yourself ahead of others and you wont have to fear to be jobless. But if you are lazy, under average skilled and unflexible, prepare your self to get in trouble some day in the future.
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aussieguy1234大约 3 年前
On another point, the standards of quality in developing countries where wages are lower are not that great.<p>For a person in one of these countries, its normal for things to not work. The electricity goes down, the internet goes down. Maybe a government website goes down for an hour each night under heavy load.<p>We actually have it quite good in the developed world in that we expect most things we rely on to work. An important government website going down for an hour is unacceptable.<p>Because these things are considered more expected and normal and this type of mindset can creep into the mind of an engineer. If their code breaks or has a lot of bugs, its not much different to what they are used to with the services they rely on every day.<p>Lets say your orders stop processing for an hour because the engineer didn&#x27;t follow standards and write tests? You might loose more than you gained in wage savings
noodle大约 3 年前
Cheaper labor is cheaper for a reason. The economy is globalized enough that if you have an actually equivalent skillset, you&#x27;re very likely able to pull an equivalent salary, no matter where you live.<p>You&#x27;ll get outsourced regardless of where you work once a company is willing to take the tradeoffs that come with cheaper labor - a &quot;worse&quot; skillset.<p>There&#x27;s certainly a little salary arbitrage to be had for actually equivalent skillsets, but not enough such that its worth firing someone with institutional knowledge. Usually companies will augment hiring via outsourcing or near&#x2F;off-shoring, not replace people.<p>If a company is willing to fire you for that little amount, then (1) you were already essentially replaceable anyway in some form or another (sorry); or (2) they&#x27;re making a huge blunder and perhaps their future is not so bright, so maybe its actually a blessing you have to leave?
paxys大约 3 年前
If there was easy cheap labor standing by to replace you, it would have happened already regardless of WFH. In reality what a company gains by way of salary savings it has to spend several times over in inefficiency, communication issues, difficulties in management, loss of quality and lots more. This is exactly why the outsourcing boogieman hasn&#x27;t caught up to the industry despite being talked about nonstop for literally decades now.
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codegeek大约 3 年前
It depends. If you can be replaced at a cheaper cost, why wouldn&#x27;t a company do it considering they can. The question is: What does it cost to replace someone and is it worth it ? Here is how I look at it:<p>There are 4 types of employees in a company.<p>1. &quot;Should be partner&quot; Players: You not only do a great job, add tremendous value but you think about the business and team and go out of your way to help improve things. You genuinely care not just about getting things done but long term success of the team&#x2F;company etc. You live and breathe this thing. You wake up on a weekend thinking about work and how you can improve things. You should be like a partner ideally. Most large companies do not value you enough. If you ever slip, you hate yourself for that and want to frikin punish yourself for making that mistake. Your team not only loves to rely on you but they NEED you so bad.<p>If I have anyone in my company who is &quot;Should be partner&quot; player, you bet I will fight hard to give them whatever they want. I would keep them happy even before they want to be happy.<p>2. A Players: You are very good at your job, take things seriously, get shit done, genuinely participate BUT you have limits and cannot go beyond a certain level. You won&#x27;t wake up on Saturday thinking about that enhancement you want to make. You are ok to wait till Monday. You hardly slip but if you do, you recognize it immediately and work on it. Your team loves to rely on you. You hardly need a reminder to do better.<p>If I have A Players in my company, I would do my best not to lose them.<p>3. B Players: You do the bare minimum to get by. You may sometimes need a kick up your butt to do a bit more but usually you do enough to not get noticed. People don&#x27;t prefer to rely on you and if they have to, they are usually cautious. You need a bit more management and ensuring things are happening on your end and your team&#x2F;manager needs to check on you on a regular basis.<p>4. C Players: You don&#x27;t really do anything useful and either will get fired at some point or you are smart enough to hide yourself usually in a large organization. You couldn&#x27;t care less about anything except a paycheck. No one can ever rely on you. Your team doesn&#x27;t care about you. They wouldn&#x27;t notice if you were gone.<p>So ask yourself: which player are you ? Sure, sometimes an A player could become a B Player etc but if you are wondering today, where do you stand ? If you are B or C, you can certainly be replaced with a cheaper option considering all else is same.
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beaunative大约 3 年前
Hmmm. I&#x27;m sure there will be an impact, but don&#x27;t think it would be that significiant. A global talent pool of top engineers who can join the competition is already quite limited, and a fair share of them is already in the US, whether born there, on visa, or have immigrated. It shouldn&#x27;t be ignored that major companies like Google, Microsoft, Airbnb, or even Duolingo has already been operating in multiple global offices for years, that includes all those consulting agencies who&#x27;s done that for god knows how long.<p>Some founders, and engineers, have those sort of fantasy that they can hire with way lower wages or something like 1&#x2F;3 of the cost for equally qualified engineers. Wrong, immigration isn&#x27;t that hard, even easier for Canada, it will take time, but people might be willing to gave up 25% or even 30% of their salary to live in a place that&#x27;s of lower cost, where their family reside, but they are not going to gave up 2&#x2F;3 of their salary, when they could have immigrated fairly easily. The cheapest and easiest way is probably to attend a shitty school and graduate, the only cost is time.<p>The only impact I see is it&#x27;s now way easier for smaller companies to hire and operate a team globally, even for 3-5 people, previously it was reserved for major corps and giant consultancies.<p>People sometimes tend to ignore that people create value for the company, not the other way around.<p>Also just as a side note, many countries in this world have company-paid salary tax (somewhat similar to FICA, but are paid at a much higher percentage in some places). This often gets ignored in salary comparison.
nitwit005大约 3 年前
Remember that companies have been trying to outsource software stuff for 40 to 50 years. If they haven&#x27;t managed it yet, I&#x27;m not going to give them great odds of suddenly succeeding in the next year or two.<p>Also worth noting that wages have had a long time to stabilize. If some county is vastly cheaper than US&#x2F;EU, they are either far less productive, or there is some other major issue causing serious problems.
m12k大约 3 年前
There&#x27;s a shortage of programmers. It&#x27;s more likely they hire someone else in addition to you, rather than instead of you.
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rafaelero大约 3 年前
I come from a South American country and I could see this process unfolding during COVID. Before that, I didn&#x27;t have any friend working for an American software company. Now, my friends are either employed by foreign companies or they are building experience in order to do so in the future. It&#x27;s been a pretty remarkable change, actually. The salaries are beyond what we imagine it would be possible to make in 20 years of career. Things are being great for us, although I doubt that doesn&#x27;t have a depressive effect over American wages.
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eyelidlessness大约 3 年前
I mean all of this with kindness and helpful intent: I think you’re asking the wrong question, and probably from a place of undeserved insecurity. Let me try to reframe it:<p>- Are you relatively confident that you’re talented, or delivering meaningful value, or motivated and capable of learning to do so in your role?<p>- If previous answer is no, do you feel comparatively competent to your peers?<p>- If previous answer is no, do your peers generally treat&#x2F;regard you as such?<p>- If previous answer is yes, is it possible you’re feeling the impostor syndrome most of us do?<p>- Regardless of the previous answer, if you’ve come this far… is it possible you might be a better fit elsewhere?<p>I could start and end with that last question, but there’s value in assessing the others.<p>Ultimately, even if you might be replaceable by lower cost labor and even if there might be some desire to replace you… you’ll still be competing in a market where lots of people are WFH, and where employers will be competing for you even more.<p>But if any of the above applies, it may be an opportunity to feel more secure in your current position, or to seek a role where you do.<p>I’m saying this as someone who’s WFH almost all of my 20ish year career (gawd I’ve lost count I’m that old, and that’s definitely a career future concern), and even through many versions of feeling insecure about my career future I continuously come back to “yeah I might eventually not be valued or have a future here, but I’m more skilled and in demand than ever.”
smclaughlin大约 3 年前
100% yes. WFH is meaningfully “flattening the world”.<p>US labor market preferences have forced employers to offer WFH options. There is only upside to an employer expanding their candidate pool internationally.<p>Most folks I know are starting with LatAm as there is no meaningful timezone difference to contend with.<p>This won’t be issue while the global demand for software engineers stays high, bolstered by monopoly businesses paying “whatever it takes”.<p>But when demand softens: get ready to compete on a level playing field with the best of the best from around the world.<p>I say that because I think this round of outsourcing is driven by a flight to quality - not cost cutting. Imagine what happens when companies offer US wages to someone in a less wealthy country. They’ll get the top 0.1% of the labor market.<p>Many companies were dragged kicking &amp; screaming into WFH. But now even the laggards in remote work have developed a culture and processes to make it possible to begin offshoring their operations.
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ryanmercer大约 3 年前
I spent just about 2 years WFH at my job with FedEx, shortly after I left to join TrueNorth they went permanent WFH for my former office, I highly doubt they outsource that.<p>I&#x27;m also WFH with TrueNorth, again I see zero reason why they would replace me. I&#x27;m already arguably quite cheaper than people in HCOL cities, I&#x27;m competent, I&#x27;m proving I can work largely autonomously and deliver quality work and I don&#x27;t have a job role that simply doesn&#x27;t require me to be in person for anything, what meetings I do have work fine with Zoom as they often involve screen sharing and might use all of the allotted time or a fraction of the allotted time.<p>WFH is going to be the new norm going forward for a lot of roles, roles like mine that don&#x27;t involve a lot of heavy in-person discussion.<p>Will you get replaced by someone better qualified in another geographic area that may or may not be cheaper? Maybe, but the same can be said for in-person roles you&#x27;re just competing against a much smaller pool of people for a given role.<p>Will you get replaced by someone in another country, that can work for a fractional amount of what you can? Probably not, there&#x27;s a myriad of tax implications as well as time zones and general reliability to deal with. It&#x27;s much harder to vet people in a country that&#x27;s going to make economic sense to outsource to, there&#x27;s usually a language (or at least considerable accent) barrier, cultural differences (Based on Reddit and HN, Europe for example generally finds the bulk of what Americans experience at work to be absolutely unacceptable, things like a 40+ hour work week with a half hour unpaid lunch, being expected to be actively working all 40+ hours) the tax implications in both countries, data laws might be different in the second country which could become a royal pain, etc.<p>And if you do lose your job to outsourcing to increase company profits, did you really want to be working there anyway?
siva7大约 3 年前
If you’re just a code monkey then yes. Regardless there is currently more demand than supply for experienced developers
stunt大约 3 年前
I think you didn&#x27;t phrase your question properly.<p>Outsourcing the workforce is very different from hiring from the global market. Many comments here focus on outsourcing because you asked about it. Outsourcing has been around for a long time. Tradeoffs are well known and some companies still choose it. WFH has little effect on it.<p>What WFH can change is expanding the job market across borders to the extent that time zone differences allow companies to do so.<p>Is this a bad thing for employees? Hard to know! All I know is that demand is now much higher than supply in a single market. So companies with a WFH culture can benefit.<p>I think the smartest thing to do is to use this trend as an opportunity. Work for companies that pay better and live where the cost of living is lower and the quality of life is better.
kkfx大约 3 年前
Remote work means <i>potentially</i> a global work market, beyond borders, instead of a local one. So for certain jobs surely the risk is very real: if you are a call center operator and you live in the west you are surely far more expensive than an equally skilled call center operator who happen to be fluent enough in your language from for instance Tajikistan, so IF cross-borders hiring have no carefully written norms for many jobs they will result in a nightmare competition, at least for those who come from&#x2F;happen to be in the richest part of the world where cost of living and so relevant wages are far higher than elsewhere.<p>That&#x27;s however a complex passage we need and we need to handle at a Democratic social level because on one side we can&#x27;t have some parts of the world hyper developed respect of some others, every time there is a big wide gap between rich and poor, at any level, there are social issues. So the trick is piloting the new globalized society in a slow and controlled transition instead of a sudden &quot;great reset&quot;. The former help anybody, the latter just very few against anybody.<p>Seeing actual populations I think we will get the latter though, having demolished the little culture we have accumulated and spread after French Revolution, with two+ centuries of social movements most of the people act as Lebonian&#x27;s flocks not as intelligent persons. In that case for those who can&#x27;t be in the little rich élite or needed by them because of rare high skills the sole hope is remain as aside as possible to try circumnavigating the storm with the little damage possible. Igniting a new Revolution is not for now, time will probably be ready in a relatively near (5-8 years perhaps 10) future but certainly not now.<p>On contrary this is a time where we can really discuss about a new society where eligible job for WFH will be done from home to ensure better living to many people and similarly better services to everybody and that part seems to be completely ignored by most, preferring talking about disasters or opportunities like &quot;the decision is not from us, it&#x27;s pointless discussing what can or can&#x27;t be done&quot;...
giantg2大约 3 年前
It seems the supply of tech talent is constrained globally. So if a sufficient number of companies try to outsource, they could drive up prices and be no better off. Legal issues can come into play too. Some information must be kept domestically and not be distributed off-shore. On top of all this, my company already does some outsourcing. The quality of the work is usually subpar. They tend to be ok at supporting <i>well documented</i> systems, but not great at building systems. The turnover can lead to potential problems in even supporting systems since it&#x27;s a revolving at those agencies - as soon as someone good finds a better job (fairly common) they&#x27;ll leave.
dave4420大约 3 年前
Depends what you mean by “xyz”.<p>A cheaper part of your country? Yes.<p>A cheaper country? It makes it easier emotionally for managers to take that step, but there are still time zone, cultural distance and language issues arguing against it. They may even deem the extra paperwork to be too much hassle for them.
bravetraveler大约 3 年前
I work for a very large company and it seems like... &#x27;eventually&#x27;, not particularly soon.<p>It seems to come down to money math. This much &#x27;<i>$local_currency</i>&#x27; gets X heads here or Y there.<p>There&#x27;s additional benefit&#x2F;incentive for teams that need around-the-clock coverage. eg: incident response<p>I think WFH being more accepted&#x2F;commonplace will make the distance easier to account for - making it more favorable.<p>I don&#x27;t think this necessarily means they&#x27;ll be hurried to replace you, me, or anyone with outsourced help. Mainly back-filling when we eventually move on.<p>Complete outsourcing seems unlikely, I would expect positions remain available if for nothing else, coverage. Availability but also compliance.
krageon大约 3 年前
If you&#x27;ve worked with any outsourced teams you will quickly learn that while of course your employer can and might outsource you, it is a terrible idea. Such a company inevitably turns into a digital shithole with many barely working components interacting in the most destructive manner possible.<p>Ask yourself if you work in a short-sighted company that exists only to enrich the next shark in the tank, or a company that is adding anything to the world. If it&#x27;s the former, don&#x27;t worry about being outsourced, worry about finding a job that adds something to the world. If it&#x27;s the latter, you have nothing to worry about.
sgt101大约 3 年前
Everything (and more) that&#x27;s possible to outsource or offshore has been outsourced or offshored in the last 20 years. C&#x27;suite folks and finance have been utterly unrestrained by anything apart from impossibility.<p>Fear not.
hiyer大约 3 年前
I think the risk is low, for the following reasons:<p>1. Many (if not most) companies still prefer even WFH jobs to be in the same or nearby time zones.<p>2. There are jobs that cannot be outsourced to other countries for legal reasons, e.g. if you have govt contracts, some in healthcare, etc.<p>3. If your company doesn&#x27;t already have a legal entity in the other country, then managing payroll is a bit of a hassle.<p>If your company has not already embraced a globally fully remote culture, I&#x27;d say the chances of your job being outsourced are pretty low.
kodah大约 3 年前
I mean, it&#x27;s possible, but I think there&#x27;s room to start holding companies that do that kind of stuff accountable. For instance, my company made a big deal about remote hiring during the pandemic and has now completely reversed course. I think they&#x27;ll pay for that in the long run, not only in terms of turnover, but now every time I tell the tale of working there it ends with, &quot;They eventually squeezed anyone who wanted or needed to go remote so hard they left.&quot;
lmeyerov大约 3 年前
Depends --<p>As a remote team, once we have someone, we don&#x27;t want to lose them: we are mutually invested. Likewise, overlapping timezones help, esp for our more R&amp;D areas. So if you are good, you are good. At the same time, we are trying to grow our team in ways that that reflect our customers: over half North America (gov, finance, enterprise, tech) but now growing intl too.<p>And... #hiring #visual #graph #ai: js, webgl, sales&#x2F;solutions engineers esp for graph neural nets &#x2F; pydata &#x2F; BI :)
tkiolp4大约 3 年前
I don’t see how is the current wfh situation any different from before.<p>Before: work at the office. You were competing with people who lived in your city. You were limited to work at companies in your city.<p>Now: wfh. You compete with people who live in your country. Depending on the company, you may compete with people who live in countries +- N hours of difference. But you are not limited to work for companies in your city anymore.<p>So, sure you get to compete with more people… but you also got more options.
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thorin大约 3 年前
If you aren&#x27;t known to the people that control your project&#x2F;company you might get outsourced.<p>If you don&#x27;t provide value for your salary and only have knowledge&#x2F;skills that other people have you might get outsourced.<p>If you don&#x27;t behave in a polite and reasonable manner and show a little humility to people who aren&#x27;t system experts, you might also be in trouble.
closeparen大约 3 年前
If you are &quot;below the API&quot; - a cog in a machine punching through well-defined units of work - you are at risk for outsourcing or automation regardless of where you sit. As a software engineer though, you have the opportunity to position yourself as something other than that. As a designer and troubleshooter and facilitator of the machine, which includes human and machine and HQ and distributed sites components.
lmc大约 3 年前
Outsourcing is a gamble - the effects of cultural and language differences have often been underestimated. For every company that wants to try it, there will be some some that have tried it and been stung, and want to hire local again. Think of it like any other business risk e.g. company being acquired, financial issues etc. - try and make sure your skillset is applicable to other potential future orgs
wheresmycraisin大约 3 年前
I&#x27;m already seeing that it leads to outsourcing to western European countries. I know basically two marketable tech stacks and for one of them that&#x27;s primarily popular in Europe, I can&#x27;t get more than 70k gbp (without us benefits), which is apparently a decent wage in London but definitely not in California cities. And for the other tech stacks I&#x27;ve seen ~20% drop in rates.
hahaxdxd123大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t see why not. I worked from Latin America for a couple months and met a lot of fellow tech employees there (Google, FB, etc). I also met a lot of local English-speaking SWEs who could have done our jobs with no issue. The timezone difference is miniscule or nil (esp for East Coast based companies), and they would be estatic to make $60k as opposed to our 250k+.
throw_this_one大约 3 年前
If it&#x27;s a self-driven tech company... yes. If it&#x27;s a tech cohort that supports some other business function that has stakeholders, I would say no. Simply because the stakeholder can&#x27;t physically shout at somebody when something goes wrong. They will pay for that.
immigrantheart大约 3 年前
I think the hassle of taxes alone would make most companies don&#x27;t want to do it.<p>Let&#x27;s see if Airbnb can crack this, and then a lot of other companies can and will follow.<p>It is good for people who are dual citizen&#x2F;US permanent residence, not good for US engineers who don&#x27;t have anywhere else to live other than US.
vishalchandra大约 3 年前
Demand = Num of companies hiring remotely &#x2F; wfh<p>Supply = Num of people in nearly same timezone interest in wfh<p>Currently supply &gt;&gt; demand, so if your company is embracing remote work, you need to now be good at your job when compared to a larger pool of people.
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saxonww大约 3 年前
I don&#x27;t think so, because allowing you to work from home doesn&#x27;t immediately make the cheaper labor cheaper or more available. That is, &quot;they&quot; can already outsource you, WFH or not.
k__大约 3 年前
Probably?<p>I work from home since 2014 and since 2017 I don&#x27;t work with companies from my country anymore.<p>So, I&#x27;d guess, my current clients &quot;outsourced&quot; to me.
excitednumber大约 3 年前
This may be obtuse but in a company that is not fully wfh haven’t you already somewhat been outsourced?
aniketmalvankar大约 3 年前
I have worked at startups most of my career and from my perspective I would not want to replace a teammate just because of salary.
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throwaway4good大约 3 年前
It is, yes.