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Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

489 点作者 ixnus将近 3 年前

73 条评论

makecheck将近 3 年前
Well whether you add “site:.edu” or not, Google still does the thing where they just spit out a pile of extra “matches” that <i>don’t</i> contain your search phrase <i>AT ALL</i>. Just thrown into the list, as if they have any business being there (oh wait, they do have business: Google’s business).<p>Frankly, if it’s not reliable as a tool, it has no real value and I can’t believe it has come to this. Imagine if every time you ran `ls` in a shell with a glob pattern, it just decided to sort of “add in” a few other files loosely based on your query (or heck, files that aren’t based on it at all)? Oh, now imagine if `rm` did that.<p>Sadly this happens with lots of search tools now. Why the heck is the default state on a new Mac to funnel what you type to <i>everything</i>, e.g. I searched for “Chrome” and hit Return and the <i>FIRST</i> thing it did was throw me into the <i>App Store</i> and call up some not-even-a-web-browser scam app with Chrome in its name, <i>instead of</i> selecting the Chrome already installed on my computer and opening it? More and more it seems that you have to turn off all kinds of poor defaults to put tools into a useful state, or there is simply no way to get them there at all.
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s-video将近 3 年前
This is nitpicky but the tire changing page doesn&#x27;t actually fit your rational for choosing .edu pages<p>&gt;Professors are paid generous salaries to share knowledge with the paying customers of the University (students). So, let’s find some paid unpaid University knowledge on how to change a tire by using our new trick!<p>But the bottom of the page says<p>&gt;Prepared by: [students] For Dr. Bruce Magee&#x27;s English 303 (Technical Writing) Class, Winter 1997-1998.<p>The professor is actually an English professor and the page was written by students as an assignment. I looked into this because I was wondering, &quot;what would a professor be teaching that he&#x27;s writing notes on tire changing?&quot;. There&#x27;s probably some professor out there that does that in an academic context, but there&#x27;s probably a lot of things that no professor actually gets paid to write about. Maybe they would write about something miscellaneous like that anyway and put it online, but they would be doing so out of the culture of web savvy professors having personal pages where they upload stuff they think is helpful.
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baxuz将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s not a Google problem, it&#x27;s a web problem.<p>Everything is based around SEO spam. If someone has a website, and they&#x27;re producing content, their point is to monetize the browsing of the website itself, or promote their main product via the website.<p>This incentivizes a certain kind of content, which is marketing content.<p>These days I&#x27;m back to searching social networks like Reddit or Hacker News for (at least somewhat) unbiased information.<p>Google is a fuzzy-search address bar at this point for me.
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greybox将近 3 年前
I switched to using kagi.com a while ago, and I&#x27;ve never looked back. I&#x27;ve tried to use duckduckgo before but just ended up using &#x27;!g&#x27; most of the time.<p>Kagi is in a whole other league. It&#x27;s on par with, if not better than google search. I highly recommend it. When they introduce the paid tier I&#x27;m sure as hell going to subscribe to it. At this point I would trade my Netflix subscription for it.
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mlom将近 3 年前
&quot;Nothing wrong with that, making money is noble&quot;<p>this right here is why you never make any progress and never fix anything and you never understand why everything sucks, you keep rewarding perverse incentives and greed and then try to work around it as if greed were not the central problem.<p>making money is not noble, making money does not represent increasing value, it only represents cornering tokens of others&#x27; labor time, which you have just observed takes the form of profiteers intentionally seeking ways to waste your time.<p>improving the world is noble, and whether you make money or not, you get to live in a better world.<p>linus was awarded a salary because people were EMBARRASSED that they were profiting so much off his free work.<p>you all should be a lot more ashamed.
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blitzar将近 3 年前
&gt; If you simply google: how to fix a flat tire<p>My first result ...<p>How to fix a flat tyre - in simple steps with video - RAC <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rac.co.uk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rac.co.uk</a> › drive › advice › repair-a-flat-tyre<p>An excellent first result thank you google.
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frmdstryr将近 3 年前
I recently found <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commoncrawl.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commoncrawl.org&#x2F;</a> and started working on my own personal search engine. I&#x27;m surprised how easy it is to actually get decent results with just metadata that show up nowhere in Google&#x2F;DDG.
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Simon_O_Rourke将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s the aggregate result of the sort of hiring they do in there. Take for example they rejected the guy who created homebrew because he couldn&#x27;t invert a binary tree to the satisfaction of some jobsworth in there (1). It&#x27;s jumped the shark and gone full on corporate bs, not because of any changes to what they do, but as a result of who&#x27;s making the decisions in there these days.<p>(1) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15985775" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15985775</a>
marvinblum将近 3 年前
I feel like Google could filter out a lot of SEO spam by simply ignoring or downranking heavy sites. Everything that loads more than &quot;n MB&quot; is probably bloated and made to trick you into buying something or generating traffic without providing value.<p>Another method could be to analyze how many external requests a page makes and put that into the calculation.<p>Of course, there are exceptions, but I think this might help.
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tejohnso将近 3 年前
Counter example:<p>&quot;what is an iris&quot; when wondering about anatomy brings up Wikipedia as the first link. Perfect.<p>With the .edu trick the first link is about the flower, and there&#x27;s nothing about the human eye anywhere on the first page of results.
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paco3346将近 3 年前
Hey, I just came from the company that hosts that dealer website!<p>The amount of money that dealerships pour into SEO and advertising is unreal. They also chase every single thing that Google says with complete abandon. (Remember AMP? ya, that was something we chased because dealers asked us to and then forgot about 12 months later.)<p>I realize this is about Google but I think there will always be a struggle until everyone can boycott playing the game and I just don&#x27;t see that happening.
qgin将近 3 年前
Just add “Reddit” to the search string<p>Reddit is what the internet used to be back when it was useful.
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AltruisticGapHN将近 3 年前
`site:` is great.<p>As an aside, anyone knows if you can still find &quot;who links to?&quot;. I used to do this to hear how people feel about my site&#x2F;app. I would do something like `link:foo.bar.com` I don&#x27;t remember if it was link: or linkto: but it seems it no longer is supported? :(
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BEEdwards将近 3 年前
I think it&#x27;s more about training your google algorithm, i searched the same things they searched and my results are answers to the question.<p>how to change a tire, nets videos of tire changing and the first 5 results are all different sites explaining how to do it.<p>how are pearls made, gives me an inline box answering the question.<p>half the things I search it offers me a &quot;did you mean (my search) reddit&quot; which I usually did...<p>google isn&#x27;t great, but it&#x27;s still the best by far (I like the algorithm that knows what i search and assists me with it), i&#x27;m not sure what this person has done to theirs...
BLanen将近 3 年前
The reason that cookies are not a browser setting is NOT because of a technical limitation. Besides, if it was a browser setting, I would hope most people would have default &quot;no, you can&#x27;t store cookies except for the functional ones&quot; and not &quot;yes, store a thousand tracking cookies&quot;.<p>It is because of a power issue.<p>It would have to be a protocol change. Google owns the largest browser. Google doesn&#x27;t want it to be a browser setting. End of story. Unless you gather political power to force google and others to have this, it will not change.
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Vladimof将近 3 年前
There&#x27;s a Firefox add-on that allows you to block specific sites from Google&#x27;s search results... not every practical for the whole Internet but it is for the worst offenders. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;android&#x2F;addon&#x2F;ublacklist&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;android&#x2F;addon&#x2F;ublacklist&#x2F;</a>)
pmontra将近 3 年前
&gt; If you simply google: how to fix a flat tire the first website in the search results is this piece of bloatware, MillerAutoPlaza:<p>I attempted to reproduce the experiment and I got a full page of useful results, all of them videos or numbered lists of the steps as in<p>&gt; Step One: Find the Puncture. Once you&#x27;re in a safe place, hop out of the car, and find the flat tire. ...<p>etc.<p>Maybe Google read HN and fixed that query but how to replace flat tires yields similar results.<p>Maybe it&#x27;s because I&#x27;m not logged in into Google and they are less aggressive on showing me ads?<p>Maybe it&#x27;s because I&#x27;m not from an English language country and they know from my IP address. Let&#x27;s try with come cambiare una gomma bucata. Other useful numbered lists and videos.<p>I&#x27;m not always happy with Google&#x27;s results but there seems to be something wrong in the experiment here.
hollowdene将近 3 年前
In this specific case, it&#x27;s a great example of how Google&#x27;s attempts to keep people on Google has made search worse.<p>It&#x27;s showing this result as a featured snippet because it&#x27;s easy to distil into steps, and Google is hoping you&#x27;ll just read the result and not leave Google.<p>The real &#x27;no.1 result&#x27; is this much better article from a trusted UK-based motoring organization: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rac.co.uk&#x2F;drive&#x2F;advice&#x2F;car-maintenance&#x2F;how-to-change-a-tyre&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rac.co.uk&#x2F;drive&#x2F;advice&#x2F;car-maintenance&#x2F;how-to-ch...</a><p>Of course, Google&#x27;s attempts to stop you leaving, and hoover up as much of the ad market as possible, also drives publishers to ever more desperate things to make money.
thesuitonym将近 3 年前
lol @ musk thinking cookie settings should be in the browser. Does he not know that they used to be until a certain advertising company took it out of their browser, and Mozilla then followed?
loloquwowndueo将近 3 年前
Or just use DuckDuckGo instead of google.
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jeffwask将近 3 年前
Seems like a long way to go to you know, not just switch search engines. Google&#x27;s had a nice run so did yahoo, hotbot, excite, alta vista... the question isn&#x27;t how to fix Google. The question is...<p>what&#x27;s next?
webmobdev将近 3 年前
... or use Firefox (Tor Browser after disabling tor) + uBlock Origin, and avoid all the unwanted crap most websites throw at you today. And train yourself not to automatically search for everything on Google. Instead use IMDB, Wikipedia, Stackoverflow &#x2F; Stackexchange, Reddit etc. etc. by adding their search to your browser ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;superuser.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;7327&#x2F;how-to-add-a-custom-search-engine-to-firefox" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;superuser.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;7327&#x2F;how-to-add-a-custom-sea...</a> ).
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owlninja将近 3 年前
I get none of the same results as my top hit?
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FpUser将近 3 年前
Ok. I bit the bullet and typed exactly those words: &quot;how to fix a flat tire&quot;.<p>This is what I got in return:<p>Row 1: 2 buttons marked &quot;on a bike&quot; and &quot;scooter&quot;<p>Row 2: single scrollable row of images of tire fixing kits with the prices.<p>Row 3: step by step recipe on how to fix flat on a car (7 steps long) followed by the link to the corresponding article and small image on the right side.<p>To me it looks straight to the point and one can&#x27;t bitch about single row of ads of a relevant products.
andyjohnson0将近 3 年前
I&#x27;ve given up on google for search and I&#x27;m not going back. I&#x27;ve been beta-testing kagi search [1] for the last couple of months and it does 95% of what I need - accurate and low-distraction and it doesn&#x27;t try to sell me stuff or sell me to anyone. They&#x27;re about to go into public beta and announce their pricing, and I&#x27;m pretty sure I&#x27;m in.<p>[1] kagi.com
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guerrilla将近 3 年前
How come nobody is doing social search yet? Why can&#x27;t I up and down vote results and maybe even comment on them or something? I don&#x27;t want to ever see some of these recipe sites that show up again... I can&#x27;t imagine I would if people were helping curate. Seems like an &quot;easy&quot; solution to SEO crapola?
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Railsify将近 3 年前
I was trying to find pre-made hand railing mounting plates, I thought to try and use google shopping because I didn&#x27;t have an existing part number.<p>I enter my search term hit enter, for a split second I can see the exact products I want to browse but those results are quickly swapped out for a bunch of unrelated products.
trhoad将近 3 年前
Err, what?<p>.edu is a TLD for US based educational bodies. So the reason you don&#x27;t see a cookie banner is because the majority (AFAIK) of US states don&#x27;t mandate a cookie banner, unlike EU and UK based sites (like the Natural History Museum, based in the UK). Does this mean the Natural History Museum is a less authoritative resource than anywhere else? I&#x27;d say the opposite, actually.<p>And for the &quot;change a tire&quot; example using a .edu TLD. That&#x27;s a fantastic example of how to find search results that are almost completely useless for anyone outside the US. What&#x27;s a &quot;tire&quot;, anyway? Oh, you mean &quot;tyre&quot;. What&#x27;s a &quot;flashlight&quot;. OK, you mean a &quot;torch&quot;.<p>In summary: there&#x27;s a world outside the US. It&#x27;s lovely out here.
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ColinHayhurst将近 3 年前
Excuse the shameless self-promotion, but contrast the results for the same searches:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;search?q=how+to+fix+a+flat+tire" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;search?q=how+to+fix+a+flat+tire</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bikerepairvideos.com&#x2F;fix-flat-tire&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bikerepairvideos.com&#x2F;fix-flat-tire&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;search?q=how+are+pearls+made%3F" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;search?q=how+are+pearls+made%3F</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gemrockauctions.com&#x2F;learn&#x2F;did-you-know&#x2F;how-are-pearls-made" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gemrockauctions.com&#x2F;learn&#x2F;did-you-know&#x2F;how-are-p...</a>
big_blind将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s a little sad we have to &#x27;.edu&#x27; filter searches just to not be directed to SEO sites at this point. Kagi&#x27;s and You.com&#x27;s searches are really smooth and painless from this perspective. You.com also has built in site filtering which helps a ton.
tut-urut-utut将近 3 年前
Instead of fighting Google, better &quot;just&quot; stop using it. Leave it for good, even if it feels better than competition right now. Let&#x27;s face it, Google is not going to improve. We are not their customers, and they are not going to make their product better <i>for us</i>. That boat has sailed long time ago.<p>We need to reset the web. Try out as much of alternative search engines as you can. Use the one, or multiple, that suit you better. Maybe they will get some traction in a couple of years, maybe in a decade, or so. We&#x27;ll be there where we were before Google, using Yahoos, Altavista, Excite et al. and waiting for the history to repeat in a form of a new incumbent that will again make search usable.
planede将近 3 年前
You don&#x27;t need to use the asterix after site:, site:.edu or even site:edu works the same.
westcort将近 3 年前
This is a great idea. I tried doing this with all of the .edu domains on the former DMOZ and created this for simple searches: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;locserendipity.com&#x2F;edu.html?q=astronomy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;locserendipity.com&#x2F;edu.html?q=astronomy</a><p>Also, I created a pure JavaScript (no dependency, tracking, or downloads!) bookmarklet that kills all the links in a page and turns it to plain text with a visual optimization algorithm applied to make it easier to read: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;locserendipity.com&#x2F;Hyper.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;locserendipity.com&#x2F;Hyper.html</a><p>The internet is much better without all the cruft.
redmen将近 3 年前
A tonne of kagi shilling in this thread. Honestly its alright but not that great to warrant that many comments lol.<p>Sometimes I wonder how many of these comments are real, or fake. I have caught hacker news schillers many times before.
royal10march将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m sorry; but it makes no sense to limit yourself to results form .edu websites. Ideas take way too long from the point they have been conceived to land on .edu websites. We have to find a better solution to Google.
baisq将近 3 年前
&gt; I want to change my tire! Get off my back, and stop trying to make money off me for one second while I solve this tire crisis.<p>So you expect them to write an article on how to fix your tyres for free? And what about the hosting costs?
bayareabadboy将近 3 年前
Has anyone else noticed a significant uptick in negative posts about google search lately? Is this because it’s gotten noticeably worse recently or it’s trendy to complain about? Thinking over the last six months or so.
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gsatic将近 3 年前
Good suggestion.<p>I had to look up some govt pdfs and tables recently and the government sites hosting the files hardly ever show up on the first page on Google anymore. It&#x27;s a sad story.
more_corn将近 3 年前
This is by far the most useless advice I have ever seen.
kazinator将近 3 年前
Make up your mind: are you complaining that MillerAutoPlaza is in the Google search results, or that MillerAutoPlaza is asking for your location?
nova22033将近 3 年前
I got completely different results. The first hit was a pretty good youtube video. It even started at the relevant part when I clicked on it.
shortformblog将近 3 年前
This title bothers me because he’s clearly going after the wrong target. It’s not that Google is unbearable. It’s that people with money are more likely to invest on ranking high in Google than those who don’t have money.<p>This would be the case with any commercial service with financial goals, given enough time and the right motivations.<p>If commercial content is your problem, say it. Leave Google out of it.
nonameiguess将近 3 年前
At least some of the problem here needs to be laid at the feet of users relying too heavily on the web to learn everything. Your vehicle&#x27;s owner manual has instructions for how to change a tire, with the bonus that it will even know where the tools that come with your car are located and whether you have some extra features like locking lug nuts.
richardsocher将近 3 年前
This is why we have preferred sources on you.com - and a special mode just for coding specific results: code.you.com, eg.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.you.com&#x2F;search?q=onnxruntime+segfault" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.you.com&#x2F;search?q=onnxruntime+segfault</a><p>those you would not necessarily find on .edu domains but it&#x27;s a similar spirit.<p>(you.com founder here)
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camillomiller将近 3 年前
To be fair my result in Germany is a very good article that even has a video and a good schema. Before the result I even have google&#x27;s automatically generated summary of the page that&#x27;s quite good to understand if the page&#x27;s actually useful. I hate Google Search for many reasons, but this example is really ill-conceived.
thallukrish将近 3 年前
There is no perfect answer for a query. There can only be contextually meaningful answers. They can be from highly relevant to far off. It is very hard to prove a search engine as bad in general. It may not work for you. But it may still work for a lot more. Google has indexed the entire Web. This is as large a span as one can take.
darinf将近 3 年前
This is why I left Google to join Neeva. Check us out. Unlike the alternatives, we are truly investing in our search stack.<p>Unfortunately there’s just too much inertia with the ads-based business model making it too hard for Google to not let itself get this way. Similar challenges with other ads supported businesses.
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dktp将近 3 年前
The mentioned queries provide quite good search results for me<p>The first link clearly explains how to fix a tire and right underneath the first link, there&#x27;s a link to Youtube video with described sections which you can click on immediately<p>The sites are full of tracking and ads, but that&#x27;s hardly Google&#x27;s fault imo
mrkramer将近 3 年前
Google is good but it is not good enough because with their resources they can make it so much better.
bsedlm将近 3 年前
&gt; stop trying to make money off me for one second while I solve this tire crisis.<p>but if they did, they&#x27;d be pretty much wasting money! their stock holders could reasonably sue the board for choosing to not make money for a second.<p>&#x2F;half-joking
ricardoplouis将近 3 年前
Any search engine with a profit motive is inevitably doomed as one value overtakes the other. To have a search engine that works means having one where scaling endlessly in pursuit of profit is discouraged.
sharno将近 3 年前
I got surprised recently by more predictable Yandex search is. I started comparing it to TikTok, the algorithm is more predictable and feels that you can direct it into the pathway you want.
chicob将近 3 年前
I use smart bookmarks most of the time, if not Duckduckgo (which has !bangs). I almost always go to Wikipedia first.<p>If I don&#x27;t find what I want right away, I usually assume I am not trying hard enough.
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Beltiras将近 3 年前
I just realized that the authors suggestion is basically to implement a custom bang (using !g on ddg will send you to the google search, !a to amazon, etc.) for .edu.
prof_hibschman将近 3 年前
I noticed the my google results are way worse when using fastdns, as compared to google dns. Not sure why.
schnable将近 3 年前
The cookie popup really kills me when trying to do a quick site preview on my iPhone and all I see is the popup.
StreamBright将近 3 年前
Search is the only service that I would pay for no matter what. Google never considered this business model.
Mo3将近 3 年前
&gt; Oh, and also, Miller is hiring if you’re interested in joining the team.<p>I don&#x27;t think so.
amai将近 3 年前
Better:<p>&quot;site:wikipedia.org how are pearls made&quot;<p>&quot;site:wikipedia.org how to change a tire&quot;
verisimi将近 3 年前
Let&#x27;s not forget, if there is more that one answer, its a bug!
royal10march将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m sorry but in no way should you limit your results to only those published on .edu websites. There&#x27;s got to be a better solution to this. Ideas only end up on .edu websites after a long period from the point it was conceived.
redgrange将近 3 年前
I lol at the paying professors generous salaries part
arroz将近 3 年前
lately when I google I put my query + Reddit xD
stjohnswarts将近 3 年前
so my takeaway is that the best sites were written in the 90s and still out there with the right search incantation :)
bigbacaloa将近 3 年前
Google is no longer fixable.
nathias将近 3 年前
imagine what it will be in a thousand years, all search will be impossible as all content will be encased in layers upon layers of SEO optimizations and adds ...
sabujp将近 3 年前
another trick site:*.reddit.com
baggachipz将近 3 年前
Google is so unbearable because they are no longer interested in you finding the answer to your query; they&#x27;re interested in selling your query and its context to the highest bidder. That conflict of interest manifests in what Google has become.
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PainfullyNormal将近 3 年前
Adam Savage went on a rant about 2 weeks ago about this very thing. He was trying to find a large format laser printer and the typical &quot;best laser printers of 2022&quot; blogspam were all filled with inkjet printers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=m9lFcduaZPU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=m9lFcduaZPU</a>
mhmmbt将近 3 年前
Technical solutions are not going to fix a political problem.<p>Sundar has been quoted as saying “they are a business first” and a businesses political obligation is make profit for the owners.<p>These companies and technologies are meant to serve human beings, not a mathematical ideal in programmers heads.<p>While: $makeMoney == $howSocietyWorks; return $getUsedToIt<p>Ooh but politics is boring!<p>Only 13% of adults in the US have an advanced degree. Coddled engineers live in an emotional bubble ignoring the very real world that does not feel an obligation to a minority of coddled engineers.
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queuebert将近 3 年前
I fixed it by leaving for DuckDuckGo.
dandare将近 3 年前
&gt; Oh, and also, Miller is hiring if you’re interested in joining the team. I want to change my tire! Get off my back, and stop trying to make money off me for one second while I solve this tire crisis.<p>So, you want someone to help you and you are pissed when they don&#x27;t want to do it for free?
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quadcore将近 3 年前
So I will reiterate my little theory, this is not entirely Google&#x27;s fault, regulations, especially KYC are responsible for this. KYC is incompatible with having a free zone. This is actually the aim of KYC, to remove free zones.<p>If you dont get it, let&#x27;s take an example. The flat tire mustard-yellow webpage. This page is not KYC&#x27;d. Are they laundering money through their website? Are they rallying people for a bloody crusade? A search engine cant know that (basically) but it knows a website that display ads is KYC&#x27;d so google can display them more easily.<p>For sure Google is pressed to help make a regulated web and stop the free zone. Knowing it&#x27;s in their interest anyway (ads), they embrace it. I dont get why the internet dont get that already: it&#x27;s all KYC :)
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