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Migrating extraterrestrial civilizations and interstellar colonization

58 点作者 programd将近 3 年前

6 条评论

q1w2将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s good to see more recognition that the likely extraterrestrial intelligences will be post-biological, but SMETI will have a hard time detecting such life because it will likely not need to move entire planets.<p>As has been show in other research, a post-biological species can more easily send small replicating probes at high fractions of C in order to populate other star systems (and even other galaxies) within a small fraction of cosmic time (meaning it would have already likely happened in the Milky Way).<p>Large populations need not be sent. So the question becomes the meaning of life. What does a cosmic-spanning-AI want to do with its life - and how do we detect that?
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cletus将近 3 年前
This is something I&#x27;ve thought about on and off for awhile.<p>For completeness, I believe that the speed of light is a hard limit (and no I don&#x27;t believe in any end-runs around this like warp drives, folding space or wormholes). Secondly, I accept the laws of thermodynamic.<p>Given this traveling between stars takes an incredibly long time. At a high percentage of c you get time dilation but that&#x27;s not actually a practical travel speed for a few reasons:<p>1. The energy cost of accelerating to 0.99c and decelerating at the other end is extraordinarily high;<p>2. If you even can get to that speed, small objects in the interstellar medium become life threatening; and<p>3. Beyond about 0.86c gas in the interstellar medium actually creates drag making acceleration even harder.<p>Given the reaction mass problem, it creates a big question of how you&#x27;d actually travel between stars. The more you carry the more energy you need to accelerate and decelerate it. It&#x27;s likely you&#x27;d need fusion at a minimum and possibly some far-future tech (eg antimatter, black holes).<p>So what do you do? Well, there are rogue objects not bound to any solar systems. We&#x27;ve seen some of these. We can&#x27;t easily detect them so can only speculate on how many there are but it&#x27;s likely to be a fairly large number.<p>So what if you opportunistically wait for one of these objects to travel through the Solar System and then hitch a ride? Imagine a planetoid 100 miles in diameter. That&#x27;s likely all the resources you&#x27;d need. It then becomes less of an issue that it might not reach another star for 100,000+ years because your attitude is that this is a new home.<p>Obviously you still have to match velocities with this object but that&#x27;s vastly easier to do with a bunch of people and equipment than it is with those same things plus all the same materials that are already traveling at intersellar speeds.
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yummypaint将近 3 年前
It seems like there is an implicit assumption in both article and comments that interstellar travel necessarily involve living things. If a civilization is willing to put possibly millions of years into waiting and preparing for a wandering planetoid, why not launch robotic ships with the equivalent of frozen embrios onboard? The timescales involved are pesumably much longer than the life of an individual anyway, so the end result should be no different.
causality0将近 3 年前
<i>I propose that extraterrestrial civilizations may use free-floating planets as interstellar transportation to reach, explore and colonize planetary systems.</i><p>Is it just me or is that completely idiotic? It&#x27;s like building a spaceship whose mass is 99.99% inert. <i>Migration</i> is incredibly unlikely to be a thing on interstellar scales unless some kind of magical transport is discovered. That is because, under almost any conceivable schema, it takes less energy and resources to sustain an individual for its entire life than it takes to transport that individual to another solar system. Advanced civilizations may very likely <i>spread</i> to other solar systems, but there&#x27;s no practical reason to migrate.
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coding123将近 3 年前
This strikes me as someone that wanted to invent a new acronym. :&#x2F;
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BrianOnHN将近 3 年前
Rant: smart-people daydreaming while bad-people manipulate the less fortunate is all I see here.
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