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Man sues American Airlines over identification, jail time

437 点作者 nabilhat将近 3 年前

37 条评论

eftychis将近 3 年前
Honestly, at this point in the U.S. maybe we should all have a lawyer on retainer and their phone number memorized and take no such situations lightly.<p>Also, start actually punishing such mistakes. Detective(s), judge, police, and American Airlines (everyone involved) should be severely punished for once. And for God&#x27;s sake, stop assuming someone that hasn&#x27;t gone through a trial is guilty -- what is this...<p>And for God&#x27;s sake -- I know some other sibling commenter posted it too, but honestly just in case anybody misses it: Don&#x27;t talk to the police. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE</a> -- his situation could have been worse unfortunately.
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Magi604将近 3 年前
Wow this is insane. I hope this blows up in a big way and everyone is aware of what happened here, and I hope Mr Lowe gets a big payday.<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;After Lowe had been in jail for eight days, he was taken to a local judge. He still received no information about why he was there, he said. The judge told him his only options were to waive extradition — in which New Mexico would deliver him to Texas authorities — or wait for Texas authorities to pick him up. Lowe, unsure what the legal implications were of either option, waived extradition based on the court’s suggestion that he do so.&quot;<p>This is such a perfect application of the term &quot;kafkaesque&quot;.<p>Also, is it weird that he was brought before a judge without having any sort of legal representation first, and that the judge was able to give Mr Lowe advice as to what to do? Imagining myself in his shoes, I wouldn&#x27;t say a single word to the judge or anyone really before I had spoken with a lawyer, I don&#x27;t care how long that takes. One wrong word and it&#x27;s not hard to imagine his 17 day ordeal turning into something longer and more nightmarish.
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kstenerud将近 3 年前
For those wondering why he&#x27;s not suing the government:<p>Suing a government entity is a very long and costly affair, and is fraught with difficulties.<p>Suing a company is MUCH easier by comparison. Unlike governments, companies tend to be very sensitive to bad press, and thus much more likely to yield to legal pressure.<p>Therefore, your most promising tactic is to use the suit against the company to build a war chest and establish official records of fact that can then be drawn upon in the longer government campaign.
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pigbearpig将近 3 年前
This is infuriating. How does it get to seventeen days in jail without talking to a lawyer? It was probably some COVID thing, but that&#x27;s just not right.<p>AA needs to pay. First thought is some overly enthusiastic AA security person going way too far in doing the identification that they should be leaving to law enforcement.
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thrwy_918将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s really fucked up that so much discussion revolves around the more peripheral issues (the evidence from American Airlines, getting access to a lawyer, why bail wasn&#x27;t set, whether or not it&#x27;s appropriate for a judge to give legal advice to an accused person, etc) and not around the central issue. It&#x27;s like everyone just accepts it&#x27;s OK that being held in jail for a relatively short amount of time is a traumatizing experience.<p>People held in jail are wards of the state. It is utterly unacceptable that people being held in jail have to fear for their physical safety. It is utterly unacceptable that people being held in jail have to fear sexual assault. It is utterly unacceptable that jails do not take appropriate precautions around communicable diseases. It is utterly unacceptable that people being held in jail are treated disrespectfully by jail staff.<p>People being held in jail pending a hearing have been convicted of no crime. Jails should be safe and comfortable. Jail staff should be held to the highest standard.
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hn_throwaway_99将近 3 年前
This story is bizarre and a complete nightmare, but there are just too many unexplained elements of the story for me to pass judgment yet:<p>1. The word &quot;bail&quot; doesn&#x27;t occur in the story anywhere. Even if he were to be extradited, he would have to be offered bail, especially after he waived extradition. Why was no bail offered?<p>2. Being informed of charges against you is one of our most basic constitutional rights. Why didn&#x27;t this happen?<p>2. Now, I&#x27;m not saying that some horrible local bureaucracy couldn&#x27;t have put this man through this, but if that&#x27;s the case, why is his lawyer only suing AA? There are like a million civil rights violations in this story as it is told - it&#x27;s difficult for me to understand why a lawyer wouldn&#x27;t go after those responsible for those violations.<p>Again, I&#x27;m in no way saying I don&#x27;t believe what happened to this man, but I would like to understand more of the missing details in this story.
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King-Aaron将近 3 年前
Reading the descriptions of the prison system in the US, it&#x27;s hard to believe they call themselves a developed nation.
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stevage将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m so confused here. Why is American Airlines involved at all?<p>&gt; surveillance cameras caught the suspect boarding a flight headed to Reno. American Airlines reported the theft to DFW Airport police,<p>Why is AA reporting thefts from airport stores to police? Does AA have retail stores?<p>&gt; American Airlines identified Lowe as the shoplifter seen in the surveillance footage<p>Why is AA involving itself in identifying shoplifters?! Providing footage I understand, but ID&#x27;ing?
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mijkal将近 3 年前
Innocent, accused, or even found guilty — the conditions in American jails and prisons are barbaric and anathema to the proclaimed values we claim to hold.<p>Our media and politicians are quick to portray deplorable conditions in Russia et al, but it happens right here all the time.<p>I&#x27;ve had a couple family members and friend experience such treatment, including losing employment while it was getting sorted out. It&#x27;s awful and needs more attention to change this.<p>(Scandinavia is as close to an ideal that I can imagine, though I know American society is so focused on antiquated notions of revenge and punishment that it&#x27;s going to be a long time coming to view these as places of rehabilitation and reintegration than of violent, dehumanizing retribution. The state has a duty to ensure humane and dignified treatment for everyone in its care.)
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rmk将近 3 年前
Why is the ACLU not involved here? This seems to fit the definition of false imprisonment and depriving someone of their civil rights under color of law.
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ab_testing将近 3 年前
These kind of things are very common for black and other minorities in the US that they are not even reported . There have been so many cases involving black and latinos incarcerated based on some grainy picture on a security cam.
jrpt将近 3 年前
The police are negligent too if they held him for 17 days with just a name from American Airlines. The video evidence would&#x27;ve shown that wasn&#x27;t him. When they didn&#x27;t review the evidence until was already free and pleaded for them to review it, that&#x27;s negligence. It sounds like they delayed getting him a lawyer too.
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jetsnoc将近 3 年前
I personally experienced something similar 20 years ago. Mine was due to piss-poor policing as well. Thank The Universe that I wasn&#x27;t in a jail-cell for <i>two weeks</i> and it wasn&#x27;t during a pandemic.<p>My story.<p>I was living in Utah and a City police department in Idaho had a larceny warrant out for my arrest.<p>Why? Before I had moved to Utah, I lived in Idaho. I drove a friend to another friends house and dropped them off. I later picked them up again. He didn&#x27;t have a license or a car. Unbeknownst to me, allegedly, he stole a laptop when they were at the other persons house. The plates for my vehicle were written down and filed in the police report as a detail. The police report was clear that I didn&#x27;t commit the theft, the other person did, but I drove them. The detectives were supposed to come get my statement and used my vehicle registration to call me and investigate. Someone got lazy and they put the arrest warrant out on me as the owner of the vehicle.<p>Two years later, I&#x27;m driving to work one day and I get pulled over for a missing taillight and as they run my information, they find I have a warrant for Larceny theft for something over $2,500 out of Idaho. They throw me in Jail and keep me for four days. I was a naive and unexperienced &quot;kid&quot; (21 years old) thrown into a rough environment where others really had stolen cars, had hard drug problems and violent offenses and Utah was just waiting for as long as they wanted to extradite me back to Idaho. The environment was shocking to me. Insinuations of violence if I didn&#x27;t give another &quot;kid&quot; my pillow, extreme anger and extreme homophobia everywhere.<p>I couldn&#x27;t get arraigned or get in front of a Judge since it wasn&#x27;t a warrant out of Utah. My family in Idaho retained a lawyer, the lawyer interviewed the person who filed the police report and she knew who stole it and knew it wasn&#x27;t me and she even told the police as much which cleared my name and got the warrant squashed and got me released.<p>The company I worked for let me go without cause. Right to work state - Utah. The situation made them uncomfortable.<p>Of course, no repercussions for a false warrant. I was in jail for four days, I lose my job, during the arrest they impounded my vehicle and I have to pay fees to get it out. I&#x27;m fortunate my family had the means to retain a lawyer and get the warrant squashed but if it wasn&#x27;t for that luxury, I likely would have been there for at-least another week as Idaho took their sweet time to send a Sheriff to Utah to come pick me up.<p>There really should be reform for the criteria required for a warrant and the criteria and timeframe for extradition. It should be a crime to imprison someone for four days or two weeks without being arraigned even if extradition is involved. It&#x27;s 2022, can&#x27;t extradition be required within 24-hours? We have planes and that expense would hopefully encourage a police department to be smart about the warrants they place.<p>I wonder if I could have won a civil case for the shoddy police work leading to my legal expenses to get me out and my lost wages but didn&#x27;t have the means to pursue it against the City Police Department. I licked my wounds, moved on and didn&#x27;t really think about it again until this article.
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turtledove将近 3 年前
The tone of this article that describes the conditions as inhumane and grotesque to the subject of the article feels real weird. It&#x27;s not just dehumanizing to the one innocent person there, it&#x27;s grotesque to treat anyone like we treat our prisoners. (Especially those not yet convicted.)<p>While I recognize the impact to this one man was serious, and I hope he gets the help and support he needs to recover, we need to stop thinking about these one off failures in the system and start looking at what our prisons and policing do to <i>everyone</i> who passes through their custody.
MengerSponge将近 3 年前
What a nightmare. If you (God forbid) find yourself falsely charged&#x2F;arrested: Shut up. Get a lawyer. Don&#x27;t talk to the police: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE</a><p>You might think you can convince the authorities to see reason, but you&#x27;re wrong. If they were reasonable people they would be in a different line of work. This is a problem to be fixed by a lawyer. You can afford it. You can repay debt when you&#x27;re alive and free.
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macqm将近 3 年前
Is this a sequel to Franz Kafka&#x27;s &quot;The Trial&quot;?
TimesOldRoman将近 3 年前
This sort of thing happens all the time in big cities. Person is arrested, life up ended, and charges end up being dropped or dismissed. Their personal life has suffered a major setback, all for a government oversight.
tobyhinloopen将近 3 年前
USA Greatest country in the world!<p>Or so we’re told. You guys need to get your shit together, this is pathetic
woodruffw将近 3 年前
What this man went through is horrible, the kind of living nightmare that most people in polite society never experience or even see.<p>Now consider: there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people <i>just like him</i>, going through the <i>exact same thing</i>, right now. Their only differences: the overwhelming majority are poor and brown, and not all survive[1].<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kalief_Browder" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kalief_Browder</a>
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noisy_boy将近 3 年前
For those saying that he should have sued the state because the police were at fault too for accepting AA&#x27;s info at face value, he probably is focusing on the quickest way to settlement - a private company would settle quicker than the state and the payout could be pretty decent. Though it would be just to have the police face consequences too for their wrongdoing, can&#x27;t blame him for going after the financial aspect and trying to put this behind him as quickly as possible.
dusted将近 3 年前
I get why he sues them, because he has a chance there that he wouldn&#x27;t have against &quot;the system&quot;.<p>But guilty or not, nobody should have to endure what he experienced in a so-called civilized society, there is no way such experiences would help people reform, if anything, it would serve as a strong indication that there indeed is no right or wrong in the world, that the establishment is not deserving of respect and that the real priority should be avoid getting caught.
mtnGoat将近 3 年前
Situation normal in America. Sadly this isn’t uncommon at all, I hope he takes the airline for all they are worth.
BrianHenryIE将近 3 年前
A very good account to follow on Twitter who is fighting for our rights:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;equalityAlec" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;equalityAlec</a><p>Because of this post on HN, I&#x27;ve set up a monthly donation.
KingOfCoders将近 3 年前
Now imagine you&#x27;re not a US citizen and this happens to you at an airport.
brundolf将近 3 年前
Welp, I&#x27;ve got one more reason to consider fleeing to a civilized country
azinman2将近 3 年前
What I don’t get is AA isn’t in control of the court system or what happens in jail. I can totally get behind identifying the wrong guy, how can they be blamed for shitty conditions?
faangiq将近 3 年前
Execs need jail time and asset forfeiture over this. Quite simple.
atoav将近 3 年前
Reading about the way US law enforcement works gives me the shivers. The system is truly done for if there are no consequences to injustices like these.
chinathrow将近 3 年前
&gt; Lowe said he didn’t even find out what he was charged with until after his release.<p>The finest treatment you can get, right there.
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bryanrasmussen将近 3 年前
&gt;Instead, American Airlines “departed from its established procedures,” according to the lawsuit, and sent police a single passenger’s information — Lowe’s.<p>Has American Airlines said if they departed from their established procedures here, would be interesting to know. Because if they say they departed from established procedures that&#x27;s really bad for them in court, but if they complied with their established procedures then they would have a reason why those are their procedures which they would have to say.<p>hmm, well we have this procedure of telling the police who to pick up so as to protect the privacy of all our other passengers - that won&#x27;t go very well for them in court either because big time they&#x27;re liable.... sure doesn&#x27;t look good for American Airlines
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isaacfrond将近 3 年前
17 days in jail for shoplifting??? What is that about??
av3csr将近 3 年前
Reminds me of the Ousmane Bah v. Apple situation
exogeny将近 3 年前
This is totally fucked, but the sad truth is that we’re only hearing about it because he’s not poor and black. It happens ALL THE TIME; just ask Kalief Browder’s family.
zenincognito将近 3 年前
&gt;&gt;&gt;Instead, American Airlines “departed from its established procedures,” according to the lawsuit, and sent police a single passenger’s information — Lowe’s.<p>If an innocent man goes to jail, the penalties should be so profound that it hurts. They should be levied a billion dollar penalty and I would say even that would be generous.
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awsrocks将近 3 年前
Horrible experience the poor man went through. I hope he finds justice and peace.
duxup将近 3 年前
&gt; Despite the discrepancies in their appearances, American Airlines identified Lowe as the shoplifter seen in the surveillance footage<p>I’m a little confused here. Just sending that … someone had to decide that they were the same person and pass that on to an attorney right?<p>And then at the hearing did he ask any questions&#x2F; for a lawyer?<p>Not blaming the guy, just wondering about how this played out.
midislack将近 3 年前
Haven’t trusted AA since 911, glad to see my hunch is correct.
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