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CJEU confirms that UK citizens have lost EU citizenship

49 点作者 robtherobber将近 3 年前

14 条评论

mrtksn将近 3 年前
Brexit is a tragedy that happened as a play of few people&#x27;s political career. Now British people need to go through the EU bureaucracy to have a life in EU and the EU citizens need to go through UK bureaucracy to have a life in UK. For what?<p>Interesting fact: fear of immigration has evaporated after Brexit, despite that immigration to UK has increased. Maybe the Brexiters finally sleep well knowing that &quot;they have control over their borders&quot; or maybe the the media campaign of fear mongering died off.[0]<p>I&#x27;m very sorry that UK citizens lost their EU citizenship, British are part of Europe and have a huge positive impact. I&#x27;m sorry that you will need to pay fees, fill forms, get employment rejections due to non-meritocratic reasons like paperwork and visa.<p>Putting the government as the first line in the human resources is just beyond me. Feels like we are treated like cattle and persons need to prove worthiness to work and stay with us to the bureaucrats. It&#x27;s not even the rules of immigration, which might make sense in certain situation but the act of working through the process itself is dehumanising. It&#x27;s not enough to find a job that pays above certain amount or considered in demand, you need to spend money and time to expose yourself to someone who doesn&#x27;t know you and has no business in your dealings and hope that they find you worthy.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;donmoyn&#x2F;status&#x2F;1532041219601223682" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;donmoyn&#x2F;status&#x2F;1532041219601223682</a>
itcrowd将近 3 年前
To summarize: EU citizens can vote in local elections in France. After Brexit, a Brit who lives in France was denied voting right due to purported (now confirmed) lost EU citizenship.<p>Meaning British citizens are officially not EU citizens anymore. (barring dual citizens)
tsujp将近 3 年前
As a Brit this (Brexit) pisses me off to no end. The fact that my ability to trivially work and live in Europe is now robbed from me because of the Brexit referendum based on lies to sway the masses to vote for it means dreams I have about essentially trying even country in Europe for work, play, and general life is a lot harder.<p>Yeah, no one likes a vote not turning out in their favour (in case it isn&#x27;t obvious I voted to remain) but this feels a lot more life changing to me (a 27 year old) because I still have a lot of my life ahead of me.
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drumhead将近 3 年前
You can still work or live in the EU, nothings stopping you. You can go through the process to become a citizen of an EU country just like anyone else. That&#x27;s the new reality. We&#x27;re not going to rejoin because no one will vote to have Schengen imposed on them, or to have a single currency or to make transfers of billions of pounds to the Commission. You can either live with it or move to the EU. But sulking about it isn&#x27;t the most constructive option.
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jeroenhd将近 3 年前
I feel for the Remainers, especially those living or working internationally. The result of this lawsuit isn&#x27;t very surprising at all (turns out leaving the EU means you don&#x27;t get EU benefits anymore and your country&#x27;s limitations on voting aren&#x27;t another country&#x27;s fault) but sadly what&#x27;s done is done. The UK didn&#x27;t want freedom of movement&#x2F;settlement with the EU and it was clear from the start that the EU wasn&#x27;t going to grant rights to UK citizens the UK wasn&#x27;t going to grant to the EU.<p>The only recourse here would be for UK citizens to apply for European citizenship in a member state of their choice, but that&#x27;s a long, complicated process, not dissimilar to the process of becoming a recognised UK citizen. It&#x27;s also incredibly difficult if you&#x27;re not highly-skilled, already living abroad and&#x2F;or have access to exchange programs that offer a way in, such as access to education.<p>For the person in question, this should be easy: France requires that you&#x27;ve lived there for five years, have knowledge of France and speak French, something I&#x27;d expect should be quite doable if you&#x27;ve lived there for fifteen years. The UK allows for double citizenship, so I think there&#x27;s an easy way out for people in such situations without giving up any rights in the home country, much easier than for most people who come to France from outside the EU.
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noodlesUK将近 3 年前
The thing that is so frustrating is that the so called &quot;European Question&quot; is far from resolved in the UK. Brexit may be done in the EU, but it&#x27;s going to be something of an original sin in UK politics for decades to come. The current Brexit deal would never have been voted for by the UK population had it been presented during the referendum. I see an alternate past where the UK had effectively become Switzerland or Norway, and potentially a future where it still does (once the current regime is out of the way and wounds are allowed to heal). Brexit would have just been an interesting bit of historical trivia had that come to pass.<p>I&#x27;ll never give up on the European Project personally, and it makes me deeply sad to cross the border and not have the Union Citizenship I always cherished. If it had been an option due to my ancestry, I would have gotten an alternative EU passport (as many if not most of my friends have). Brexit has made it infinitely more difficult to bring my fiancee into the country (in a bygone era we would have just Surinder Singh-ed as it&#x27;s next to impossible for self-employed people to reunite with family in the UK), and has deeply degraded democracy in the UK (see proroguing parliament).
tgv将近 3 年前
Who files these lawsuits? I can&#x27;t imagine anybody in their right mind would have thought they could win it. Is this just for the lawyers&#x27; 15 minutes of fame?
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enlyth将近 3 年前
Can someone smarter than me explain what this means in simpler terms? I feel a bit lost after reading this, I hold triple citizenship (Canadian, Slovak, UK) and live in the UK, but not sure how this affects me
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dijit将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m sorry that the lady couldn&#x27;t vote, perhaps she should apply for citizenship to the country she lives in if she wants to vote.<p>In Sweden &quot;Settled&quot; people can only vote for local governments, not for the Riksdag (Parliament).. that privilege is for citizens only, for example.<p>But, it&#x27;s hardly &quot;weird&quot; that British people do not have EU citizenship automatically anymore, EU citizenship is granted on top of your normal citizenship if your country is a member of the EU, which the UK no longer is.<p>The same mechanism that turned Brits to EU citizens in the 70s is the same process by which those rights are no longer applicable to British citizens today, what did people think they were voting for?<p>Surely this is Hardly &quot;news&quot;, or maybe I&#x27;m too optimistic about how much people understand about the politics of the world around them.<p>I would expect expats to know more than the usual uninformed (or misinformed) British citizen living domestically.
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macinjosh将近 3 年前
Congratulations to my fellow brits!
frozencell将近 3 年前
Why does the title feel like it is about Russia? Perhaps they are the same people behind Brexit and Ruxit.
darkteflon将近 3 年前
Won’t ever forgive or forget Brexit. Took away our rights, and the rights of our kids, to live in Europe and to be European. My contempt is boundless.<p>Edit: Bit surprised at some of these responses. You absolutely can use the word “European” to mean “a participant in the political project that is Europe”. This has nothing to do with ethnicity.
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creativeembassy将近 3 年前
&quot;Oh no, the consequences of my own actions!&quot;<p>It&#x27;s stunning to watch videos of Britons confused about why they&#x27;ve lost certain privileges, only a short while after voting to leave the place that gave them those privileges. It&#x27;s like canceling your gym membership because it&#x27;s too expensive, then wanting to fight the manager because they won&#x27;t let you work out there anymore. I have so much sympathy for those that knew what Brexit meant, tried to fight it, and lost the vote.<p>I&#x27;ve been mentally comparing this to the 2016 US election where an (electoral) majority got Trump elected as President. But we still have large swathes of the US population that were VERY happy with all 4 years of his presidency. I&#x27;m curious how many Britons in 2016 were similarly as vocal for their support of the referendum, and are still just as happy today with the results.
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hihihihi1234将近 3 年前
Um... how is this news? We left the EU in January 2020. I&#x27;m not sure what it would mean for Britain to leave the EU without Brits losing EU citizenship, and I&#x27;ve never heard anyone suggest that this might be the case.<p>It&#x27;s nearly six years since the referendum - who exactly is surprised by this &quot;development&quot;?
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