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Stolperstein

445 点作者 dschuessler将近 3 年前

19 条评论

uniqueuid将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s an awesome idea, because it brings the painful past right into our daily lives. You&#x27;re forced to serendipituously &quot;stumble&quot; across them every now and then.<p>The stories on them, told in a brief phrase, are mostly heartbreaking, sometimes uplifting, always relevant. &quot;Executed for making fun of the Führer&quot;, &quot;Deported and gassed for hiding Jewish neighbors&quot;, &quot;Survived concentration camp but parents, siblings and relatives did not make it out alive&quot;.
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guerda将近 3 年前
There&#x27;s also a OpenStreetMap based map on top of that: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stolpersteinmap.de&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stolpersteinmap.de&#x2F;</a><p>And the German public TV station created an app with additional information on Stolpersteine: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stolpersteine.wdr.de&#x2F;web&#x2F;en&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stolpersteine.wdr.de&#x2F;web&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a>
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VSerge将近 3 年前
There are many such memorial plaques on the pavements of Vienna. They are almost part of the landscape, easy to walk by without noticing, yet every so often, when one stops rushing and reads a few of these (it was often whole families being deported, not just individuals), it hits again. And it is important that it never stops hitting and reminding us of this horror and of the need of avoiding repeating it.
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timvisee将近 3 年前
Great to see recognition for this on HN! My mother set up a group buy here in the neighborhood to place four of these Stolpersteine, and arranged everything needed to make it happen.
gpjanik将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s weird that the article explicitly mentiones various groups that were killed&#x2F;deported to German concentration camps across Europe and commemorated by the stones, but does not mention the second largest one - Poles. German historical policy tends to not include Poles as victims the 1939-1945 Germany, but in spite of that, there are multiple stones commemorating them in today&#x27;s Berlin.
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riccardomc将近 3 年前
They are everywhere in Amsterdam. Here&#x27;s a map on the non-profit website that takes care of them: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stichting-stolpersteine.nl&#x2F;where-are-stolpersteine&#x2F;?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stichting-stolpersteine.nl&#x2F;where-are-stolpersteine&#x2F;?...</a>
Freak_NL将近 3 年前
I&#x27;ll preface this by stating that this is probably not a popular opinion.<p>Notwithstanding the ideals behind the Stolpersteine, they are not exclusively a positive influence. The problem lies in one of the defining characteristics of this project: the stones are placed in front of the houses where the Jewish victims who got deported and executed lived.<p>This means that if you happen to live in a house tenanted by these unfortuna victims in the past (or even in a new house built where their house was), you can end up with a whole bunch of names permanently staring at you whenever you leave the house. Some, perhaps most, people can ignore that, but for some this constant reminder of pointless death and hardship is quite a burden and can significantly affect their quality of life — should they feel guilty for living? If you speak up about this, you are branded a clueless NIMBY resident or even an anti-Semite (there have been a few of such cases in the Netherlands).<p>Normally, memorials and remembrances are limited in their influence on people&#x27;s daily life. Memorials are not just placed haphazardly, but with proper consideration of the needs and wants of those who life in the area, as well as the victims and their descendants. A respectful, serene corner of a public park for example. Events where the victims of past conflicts are remembered are limited in time: you can participate or ignore it, and then move on with your life. Stolpersteine however, just get put there in the pavement whether you like it or not.<p>Should people be confronted with the horrors of past conflicts? Absolutely — during education and in locations where this is to be expected and one can open up to consider the actions and consequences of the past — but not everywhere, not constantly, and not exclusively (there are, after all, quite a few horrific things in our recent past, certainly not limited to the fate of deported Jews in the Second World War). Unavoidable, the dead commemorated by Stolpersteine stake out quite a claim on the land of the living. I do find that Stolpersteine presume too much upon the public space to the point of becoming tasteless and an affront.
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atoav将近 3 年前
Many central european cities are full of these Stolpersteine and it is sometimes quite interesting where people lived that have been taken away — and what took their place decades later.<p>Typically people who live there, children from nearby schools or community projects look to keep them clean and polished, although depending on how remote that area is you might also &quot;stolper&quot; over some that haven&#x27;t got the treatment for a while.<p>I think there is a real benefit to these small, decentralized &quot;micromonuments&quot;, as they remind you of actual history in the many places where it happened. The genocidal horror of the nazis did not happen in some megalomaniac central spot after all, it was in every neighbourhood.
KingOfCoders将近 3 年前
From my experience best cleaned with Elsterglanz Messing.
isolli将近 3 年前
Related, I recommend following the account of the Auschwitz memorial: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;AuschwitzMuseum" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;AuschwitzMuseum</a><p>Every day, they post pictures of a handful people who were detained (and almost always died) in the concentration camp, and seeing those in my feed is the virtual equivalent of Stolpersteine.<p>It&#x27;s also sobering to think that, at the pace at which they post, it would take thousands of years to commemorate all the victims.
MandieD将近 3 年前
Having spent most of my adult life in Germany, I’ve seen hundreds of them, and I try to take a moment to think of the people they name.<p>And then reflect that Germans don’t have some special intrinsic evil that made them capable of doing this 80 years ago - every country is some hard times and a demagogue away from it.
mikewarot将近 3 年前
There are so many places here in the USA we could do something similar to this, but it would be politicized to death in microseconds.
MikeDelta将近 3 年前
I remember looking at a group of four a while ago and noticed the next day that someone had polished the copper and put flowers around it. Very touching.
puskavi将近 3 年前
Priviledged victims. I dont think any other ethnic cleansing can ever come close to this amount of &quot;remembering&quot;
edpichler将近 3 年前
This made me think:<p><pre><code> &quot;Unlike many other German cities, the city council of Munich in 2004 rejected the installation of Stolpersteine on public property, following objections raised by Munich&#x27;s Jewish community... She objected to the idea that the names of murdered Jews be inserted in the pavement, where people might accidentally step on them. In other cities, permission for the project was preceded by long, sometimes emotional discussions. In Krefeld, the vice-chairman of the Jewish community, Michael Gilad, said that Demnig&#x27;s memorials reminded him of how the Nazis had used Jewish gravestones as slabs for sidewalks. Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) has expressed reservations towards to project, noting that the form of the memorial, particularly its location on regular sidewalks, which are regularly stomped over by passersby, is not respectful. Another criticism from IPN has concerned inadequate level of detail provided on Stolpersteine, such as lack of context clarifying that most of the perpetrators of the Holocaust were Germans, and not Poles. IPN officials have repeatedly suggested that instead of Stolpersteine, the more respectful, informative and traditional form of remembrance that the IPN is willing to support.&quot;</code></pre>
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dandare将近 3 年前
Slightly related: Communists cut Jewish gravestones to cobbles and used it to pave Prague historic center. The stones were discovered during a revamp of the pavement and are now returned to Jewish cemetery.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;stories-46845131" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;stories-46845131</a>
southerntofu将近 3 年前
So there was a borderline-neonazi comment i wanted to reply to, but it got flagged in the meantime. It argued that there was an international jewish-communist conspiracy in pre-WWII Germany, and that WWII served to establish the UN as a means to demolish national sovereignty, and that Israel is an ethnonationalist State. In case this person is still around reading, or someone else believes such things, here was my answer i couldn&#x27;t post under the now-deleted comment:<p>Wow, i was not expecting to find a neonazi comment here on HN. To be clear, i agree with your criticism of Israel as ethnonationalist and despite immense propaganda efforts it&#x27;s becoming harder and harder for Israel proponents to pretend otherwise. (And for the record, <i>a lot</i> of Israelis also make that point and struggle every day against their whole racist&#x2F;colonial machine)<p>However, the threat of &quot;jewish communism&quot; (judeo-bolshevism as they called it back then) is a spectre invented by nazis and fueled by more ancient conspiracy theories such as the protocol of the elders of zion (spread by Russian political police in early 20th century). Just like today, at least here in France, the neo-nazis and other fascists and warning of the threat of &quot;islamo-leftism&quot;, and inventing debilitating theories about &quot;reverse racism&quot; and &quot;reverse colonization&quot; and &quot;white genocide&quot;.<p>As for &quot;world government&quot; and the destruction of national sovereignty, two things:<p>1. International agreements such as the UN have on the contrary formalized the concept of national sovereignty and non-intervention<p>2. Of course those principles are never respected and the big empires will do whatever is in their interests: this was already the case long before the UN with the League of Nations, and even long before that, such as when the Berlin conference (19th century) formally divided Africa into territories to be ruled by the colonial empires. The reason there are straight borders on African maps is because some european aristocrats who knew nothing about these territories sat around a table with a ruler and traced lines.<p>To be clear, your thoughts are not illegal, but they are very wrong. I encourage you to get a better understanding of history from different sources, and maybe realize that Israel is not much more than any other colonial empire of today. In fact, many of their repression&#x2F;counter-insurgency techniques are straight out of French doctrine established during the Algerian war of independence. So why are some people desperately focusing on Israel as the driving force of evil around the world? From some arab&#x2F;muslim community, i understand they can relate to the victims of Israeli colonialism... but from white westerners (no idea if that&#x27;s your case), it certainly plays into the old antisemite trope of an imaginary international jewish alliance trying to control the planet.
ascar将近 3 年前
As a German I think it&#x27;s weird the article starts with &quot;A Stolperstein is...&quot; and then directly refers to the art project of Gunter Demning.<p>That&#x27;s not what &quot;a&quot; Stolperstein is. It&#x27;s a common phrase in German about a stone that makes you stumble on an otherwise even&#x2F;walkable road&#x2F;pathway. It&#x27;s also used in the metaphorical sense, if something makes you stumble&#x2F;fall on your metaphorical way of life.<p>No German would think of the word Stolperstein and the art project as synonyms. In fact I hadn&#x27;t heard about it until today. The German wikipedia introduction is clearer on that and starts with &quot;The Stolpersteine are a project of artist Gunter Demning&quot; and I think the English wikipedia should be adjusted accordingly.
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voz_将近 3 年前
Insanely important, especially with the renewed rise of antisemitism - sad to see this downvoted.
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