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When I hear people complain it’s hard to hire good software engineers

40 点作者 talonx将近 3 年前

8 条评论

codefreeordie将近 3 年前
Ageism in tech is super real.<p>I worked for a FAANG, and I thought ageism was a problem there -- I worried that I needed to be financially ready to retire at 50, because I might be unemployable there by then.<p>Now I&#x27;m at a younger company and you&#x27;re seen as washed up at 35.
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PeterStuer将近 3 年前
You might find some 50+ software engineers embedded in industry verticals, usually moved their from other parts of the company after having proved adept at IT skills or cross-hired as seniors from the software consulting industry, usually skilled in a legacy tech the company uses (Cobol and RPG used to be the prime examples).<p>A medium to large software company never hires 45, a small software company almost never hires 35+.<p>As for the &quot;bootcamp graduades&quot;, there is huge variance in the outcomes, but the median result is very disappointing.
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kwertyoowiyop将近 3 年前
I’ve been on a team with a mix of old fogeys (I was one of them) and much younger folks. It was great. The olds had been around the block enough times to know what problems to fix before they happened, and the youngs brought new ideas and new tech into the mix and pumped out a lot of code. Would definitely be on such a team again.
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yourapostasy将近 3 年前
From the thread:<p><i>&gt; Oddly enough the former chefs we work with are kicking butt - sample size is too small but maybe cooking is a great gateway to coding??</i><p>I spent about a year doing short order cooking to put myself through uni, nothing fancy, but I might offer some insight here. Cooking in busy service shifts <i>might</i> transfer well to coding because they demand retaining both a complex, large state in your head with minimal prompting, and update that state frequently with complex flows. Keeping hot food hot, cold food cold, hitting the order all at the same time, meeting the wait people at just the right time, for a baseline steady rate of never less than 5 orders deep simultaneously, peaking to 12-15, and handling emergencies on the fly (running out of sauce pans, spilled food, run out of ingredients, <i>etc.</i>), bears some abstract similarities to coding.<p>And they do it in uncomfortable, loud conditions, people shouting all the time, tempers flaring from time to time. 4-8 hours a day, five days a week, with few breaks. Think of it as they keep the equivalent of coders&#x27; flow state under what coders consider intolerable conditions. For a tiny fraction of the pay.<p>If you find a chef&#x2F;cook who can run a crew of 6+ and pull their load as good as or better than any individual member of the crew, then they&#x27;ve got the raw chops to transfer that skill to keep pretty complex representations in their heads. The good ones I&#x27;ve seen intuitively use queuing theory without knowing it. The one caution I&#x27;d offer is watch for chronically short attention spans; there is a different kind of grinding in coding especially in debugging that rubs even many in this group the wrong way. Heck, too few <i>coders</i> have mastered that.<p>I&#x27;d like to hear others&#x27; experience with people or themselves who got into coding from a different field. My personal anecdata off the top of my head is I&#x27;ve seen a preponderance of military intelligence analysts, farmer&#x2F;ranchers, and philosophers seem to do well coding.
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xupybd将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m almost 40 and would love to work with older devs. Wisdom and experience is seriously under appreciated in our industry.
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908B64B197将近 3 年前
Funny how these threads never mention the company by name or the bootcamp...<p>I would advise against bootcamps. We pretty much stopped recruiting from those because the signal to noise ratio was just too low.
lotsofpulp将近 3 年前
What payrates did this employer offer, and what were the company’s profit margins&#x2F;future prospects?
seasily将近 3 年前
Hiring people with low fluid intelligence (-2 stdev change with age) and people with low intelligence (sorry bootcampers, you would already have a quantitative degree if you had a high qualitative IQ)—-what a solution