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Flow Batteries Are Here and They Will Change Everything

46 点作者 socialdemocrat将近 3 年前

8 条评论

gardenfelder将近 3 年前
Seems worth exploring. few links:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flow_battery" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flow_battery</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sumitomoelectric.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;2020-12&#x2F;download_documents&#x2F;73-01.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sumitomoelectric.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;2020-12&#x2F;dow...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.powermag.com&#x2F;flow-batteries-energy-storage-option-for-a-variety-of-uses&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.powermag.com&#x2F;flow-batteries-energy-storage-optio...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;topics&#x2F;engineering&#x2F;flow-battery" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;topics&#x2F;engineering&#x2F;flow-batter...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;article&#x2F;new-type-flow-battery-can-store-10-times-energy-next-best-device" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;article&#x2F;new-type-flow-batter...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cei.washington.edu&#x2F;education&#x2F;science-of-solar&#x2F;flow-battery&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cei.washington.edu&#x2F;education&#x2F;science-of-solar&#x2F;flo...</a>
bioemerl将近 3 年前
The efficiency downside doesn&#x27;t even appear to be a downside. We already have solar excess power when we don&#x27;t need it. If you can store that power and store it cheap, 80 percent efficiency is better than zero.<p>I hope these pan out. We need something to happen ASAP.
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undoware将近 3 年前
This is incredibly exciting news, but I&#x27;d like to kick the tires real quick.<p>Main worry: The magic ingredient this time appears to be vanadium instead of lithium, but there&#x27;s still a magic ingredient (at least, according to my cursory understanding of the tech, entirely due to the OP&#x27;s link)<p>- How abundant is vanadium? Wikipedia says it&#x27;s &#x27;rarely found in nature&#x27; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vanadium" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vanadium</a><p>- What are the geopolitics of vanadium? Under what conditions is it typically mined? Within which nation-states&#x27; territories is it typically found?<p>- What other industrial uses does vanadium have?<p>- What quantity is needed?<p>- Can we ramp up exploitation of deposits, or are there hard reasons (scarcity, remoteness, etc) that prevent this?<p>- EDIT: most importantly, are there other candidate elements that can, in the case of shortage or war, also provide service?
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ncmncm将近 3 年前
Flow batteries represent an intermediate point between regular batteries and synthetic fuels.<p>A regular battery costs in capital expenditure per kWh it can store when fully charged. Once full, the only way to store more is to buy more. But efficiency is usually high, and rate of energy in and, particularly, out are high.<p>Synthetic fuels suffer conversion losses, but more storage is as cheap as tankage. The expensive parts are the synthesis equipment -- electrolyser, catalyzer, compressor, cooler -- and stuff to get the stored energy back out, such as a fuel cell or turbine. Those cost per kW, not per kWh.<p>Flow battery storage capacity can be extended by adding tankage and electrolyte. The expensive part is the bit the electrolyte flows through. So, kW in and kW out cost, per, but round trip efficiency is higher. And you can&#x27;t generally sell somebody charged-up electrolyte, or buy it.
socialdemocrat将近 3 年前
Instead of $132 per kWh like Lithium batteries these cost $25 per kWh and with almost endless number of cycle times. Covers pros and cons.
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nullc将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s kind of weird to talk about the prices of flow batteries when they&#x27;re not really commercially available.
exabrial将近 3 年前
Flow batteries have been in the news every year but I&#x27;ve yet to see a deployment other than this one. If they&#x27;re so simple what is holding large scale implementation back?
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safsgf将近 3 年前
Flow batter, Glass batteries, seems like everyday there is a new battery.<p>The real question: Can these batteries operate at Grid Scale. What happens with Tokyo has a disaster event or any other mega city for that matter (where 70% of the population will live decades from now).<p>Today 96% of storage is water being pumped up a hill...
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