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Project Helix by Adobe

81 点作者 thefilmore将近 3 年前

33 条评论

nfreising将近 3 年前
So I spent a while on their page, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;project-plan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;project-plan</a> seems to have the best explanation how Adobe thinks you should use their product. However I still don&#x27;t really see the use case:<p>&gt; Helix dynamically renders HTML via Markdown that is generated from the content source documents. Markdown provides an abstraction as well as filter for content created in the various different data sources and strips all the formatting that cannot easily be projected into HTML semantics. This means you don’t have to worry about authors picking the wrong font, size, or color, Helix will take care that your final site looks as the design specs say.<p>So it&#x27;s just generating a markdown document from my Word document and dynamically renders that to HTML. It seems like a weird SSG that isn&#x27;t static, relies on proprietary files stored in either Google Drive or SharePoint, and seems to be aimed at Content Creators that are not tech savy at all (why else would you prefer Word over md files?).<p>However all that is still very confusing and it looks a bit like the project changed direction during development (e.g. there&#x27;s still mention of GitHub as file storage which has been discontinued in the faqs etc.) I still don&#x27;t see who would use this for their site.
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AndrianV将近 3 年前
I&#x27;ve taken some time to try to comprehend what this tool is doing, but I still don&#x27;t get it. Could someone kindly clarify? Similar websites include <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webflow.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webflow.com</a>, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siter.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siter.io</a>, and <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.squarespace.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.squarespace.com</a>. ? What exactly is this?<p>I understand: Speed - ok, the same can do other platforms<p>Migration - ok same can do othe rplatforms<p>Create content in Microsoft Word or Google Docs - realy Adobe?<p>Stop wasting developer time on framework churn - start wasting time on Helix.
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boboche将近 3 年前
Thanks Adobe, 3 minutes of my life wasted to figure out that you have converted the bounce rate, after 2 second page load hesitation, to epic ragequit after 3 minutes of having to go through developper documentation to figure out whats the actual, tangible and practical experience you are trying to sell.
greencore将近 3 年前
I will never trust Adobe on their development platforms after they were lying to developers about bright Flash future while silently killing it and wasting number of years of their careers on dead horse.
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megax将近 3 年前
This is an interesting move by Adobe, which appears like the first step towards reasserting themselves in a hot WYSISWG CMS authoring market that’s currently dominated by folks like Webflow. What makes it even more interesting is that their enterprise CMS offering AEM (Adobe Experience Manager) will certainly get a leg up as it relates to ease&#x2F;flexibility, further separating them from the market competition.<p>For the folks who are unaware, AEM is a tier 1 CMS powering many top-shelf enterprise websites[1], competing with products Contentful, Contentstack, Salesforce, etc.<p>I’m personally not a huge fan of their solution but they tick many of the boxes clients typically ask for.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.builtwith.com&#x2F;cms&#x2F;Adobe-Experience-Manager" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.builtwith.com&#x2F;cms&#x2F;Adobe-Experience-Manager</a><p>It’ll be interesting to see how this develops…
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dewey将近 3 年前
It seems to be a no-code website builder for people who are already in the Adobe ecosystem. For one-off landing pages or websites an agency might build for projects this is probably a good fit if they are already all-in on Adobe.<p>The hate here in the comments seem to be around developers thinking they are the target group of this product when they are clearly not.
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mikl将近 3 年前
When you see the words “by Adobe” and loose all interest instantly.<p>Let me guess, whatever it is requires a Creative Cloud subscription?<p>I do remember when I was excited about Adobe stuff. 20 years ago. Since then, their virus-like “install a million things just to run Photoshop” and awful licensing practises have put them next to Oracle in the “avoid at all cost” category.
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hansword将近 3 年前
Is this the most current Adobe Dreamweaver? As an online service?<p>I think it&#x27;s hilarious there are 20 comments here, and all are voicing confusion at what the product is and does?
ecmascript将近 3 年前
In typical launch fashion, I read the site but still couldn&#x27;t figure out what it was. Closed it pretty fast after that.<p>I don&#x27;t understand why people insist in not explaining what it is they&#x27;re selling in a clear, simple manner.
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winkelwagen将近 3 年前
Great, Google docs and share point, does that mean we have an extra dependency on Microsoft and Google not to break any of their apis? Managing formatting straight from a document sounds like a recipe for disaster if you don’t own the whole stack. I really wonder how a company like adobe is managed.I’m sure they have some great selling products with great margins. But the creative industry is beginning to hate their products more and more. Yes they might have a a good unmatched creative suite as a whole, but if professionals can’t do their work anymore because of serious deteriorating of quality between versions. Was following a Twitter rant from Ashe thorp a while ago, he isn’t one to whine about anything quickly, but that guy is so well connected and in think his network pretty much operates is anything cutting edge design wise, avatar, Microsoft film etc. At this point I chose for an alternative to adobe products they might be a better deal, but I wouldn’t trust your paying my mortgage on anything in adobe creative suite. I’d rather invest upfront in something that I know will get better over time instead of worse.
status200将近 3 年前
Sure, i&#x27;ll use this tool and then in a few months Adobe will want a monthly subscription fee or they break all my links or something.<p>Such a low effort site as well, ugly design and i found at least a couple dead links that redirect back to the homepage (e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;project-plan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;project-plan</a>)
fxtentacle将近 3 年前
&quot;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;experience-effectiveness" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;experience-effectiveness</a>&quot; looks to me like they didn&#x27;t intend to publish this yet. I mean the formatting is off and they have 3 feature boxes without icons.. looks really unfinished to me.
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Keyframe将近 3 年前
So, what is this even? Site doesn&#x27;t tell much. From what I&#x27;ve gathered it&#x27;s dreamweaver meets wix meets wordpress?
AngusH将近 3 年前
So I&#x27;ve read through this, but the docs seem to assume you already know what it does. (Which I&#x27;m still not sure that I do)<p>It seems to be a way of generating a website from a shared google drive or MS sharepoint setup.<p>The google drive documents act as content which is mixed with templates to generate a website.<p>But it doesn&#x27;t seem to be static site generator, more like wordpress with google drive (or sharepoint) as the content database?<p>But then it also talks about the helix team doing work for you? So it&#x27;s maybe more of a service to create websites than a technology stack?<p>It seems like there are some interesting ideas, but it also feels like there should be more explanation.
skilled将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s very rare I get frustrated with landing pages, but holy guacamole... is it so hard to link to demo websites? Is it so hard to provide a quick demo of a landing page? What are those lousy screenshots on the &quot;Built with Helix&quot; section?<p>The only one I could make out was blog.adobe.com - and by the looks of it that was no small feat to make such a conversion happen.<p>Very unhappy, even more so seeing Adobe trying to get away with a barebones product explanation.<p>EDIT: Ok, after going through the comments in this thread - it looks like Adobe doesn&#x27;t even intend to have this site published yet. That&#x27;s my impression of it also.
tambourine_man将近 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;developer-productivity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hlx.live&#x2F;business&#x2F;developer-productivity</a><p>“Helix has reinvigorated my passion for coding. The simplicity of building something great and seeing it used by our visitors the next day is a joy like no other. Kenny”<p>Who&#x27;s Kenny? Has no one reviewed this page? I hope that&#x27;s not a signal of how important this project really is to Adobe.
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vnm将近 3 年前
How is it ok for a serious company to claim that their solution is the &quot;fastest on the web&quot;, as if nobody else can hit the same performance marks?<p>And what&#x27;s with the code? Why not use TypeScript, at least?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adobe&#x2F;helix-website&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;tools&#x2F;sidekick&#x2F;module.js" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adobe&#x2F;helix-website&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;tools&#x2F;sidek...</a>
bonaldi将近 3 年前
Easy is hard. That is, to make something easy for <i>users</i>, you have to work hard to build great tools for them. Helix appears to be punting on that.<p>Examples:<p>&gt; Helix dynamically renders HTML via Markdown that is generated from the content source documents.<p>Markdown is a lossy format. Sometimes that&#x27;s good (it&#x27;ll strip unwanted Word formatting), but there are vital things that get lost too. (The easiest to grasp are the internationalisation issues, like mixing right-to-left and left-to-right scripts in the same paragraph, or multiple language spans.)<p>&gt; To add metadata to your page, create a table like this at the end of the document<p>And how is this better than an actual tool, with actual field validation, helpful UX, etc? It&#x27;s not: it&#x27;s undiscoverable magic boxes with inexplicable (to the user) side-effects that oblige users to remember secret incantations (or sticky them to their screens) and hope everything works out all right.<p>This is the opposite of &quot;intuitive and fast&quot;. Which anybody familiar with AEM won&#x27;t be surprised by.
bsenftner将近 3 年前
Friend of mine tells me a headhunter perked up when he mentioned he used this for his last project, and told him crazy salaries if he wanted a job as the Helix specialist at several corporations. Says he&#x27;s investigating.
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interestica将近 3 年前
Brackets was actually my favourite code editor on Mac and it was discontinued by Adobe. It left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems that they are trying to replace it with &quot;Phoenix&quot; which is entirely web-based and kinda seems to defeat the purpose.<p>It looks like brackets may have some others keeping it alive.<p>The project helix page comes off quite hilarious on mobile for me. &quot;these aren&#x27;t the droids you&#x27;re looking for&quot; followed closely by an uncaptioned screenshot and then a long scroll of a blank orange canvas only to be greeted at the bottom with &quot;You can go about your business.&quot;
fleddr将近 3 年前
Somebody else already mentioned it, but I want to highlight Adobe&#x27;s other CMS product: Adobe Experience Manager.<p>It is a bizarre product in the sense that the typical web developer has never heard of it, whilst it&#x27;s one of the most powerful (and complex) CMS systems out there. Given its license costs, you&#x27;ll only find it in large companies.<p>It&#x27;s a stunningly powerful but also complicated platform. Still, it&#x27;s a CMS on steroids with some truly eye-opening ideas.
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cush将近 3 年前
According to their FAQ <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.adobe.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.adobe.com&#x2F;</a> redirects to some demo pages.<p>&quot;Is Helix a good solution for landing pages?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.adobe.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pages.adobe.com</a> is a great example how Adobe uses Helix to manage hundreds of landing pages, owned by dozens of independent teams.&quot;
daviddever23box将近 3 年前
Does anyone else find it interesting that the architectural diagram (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adobe&#x2F;helix-home&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Helix%20Architecture.graffle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;adobe&#x2F;helix-home&#x2F;blob&#x2F;main&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Helix%20A...</a>) is in an OmniGraffle file format?
ksec将近 3 年前
For a moment I thought Adobe brought Real Media [1]. Which despite the hatred against it, is a surprisingly good video codec.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;realnetworks.com&#x2F;products-services&#x2F;helix" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;realnetworks.com&#x2F;products-services&#x2F;helix</a>
tronster将近 3 年前
Another product called &quot;Helix&quot;? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.perforce.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;helix-core" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.perforce.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;helix-core</a>
monkey_monkey将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m trying to understand the thought process that would lead someone to decide that this wierd and entirely proprietary solution is the best way to build a website for their organisation.
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cwdegidio将近 3 年前
Really curious how this ties into AEM. There is way too much marketing speak to parse out the relationship.
whywhywhywhy将近 3 年前
Hope none of the hundreds I pay Adobe every year went to funding this project.
anodari将近 3 年前
Is an Wix alternative?
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Paul_S将近 3 年前
I just get a blank page on firefox.
madspindel将近 3 年前
Pricing?
wellthisisgreat将近 3 年前
God, is there any hope Creative Cloud would go away and the normal Adobe would come back?
andybak将近 3 年前
Helix is currently made available to select AEM Sites customers in the Helix VIP program. If you are interested in learning more about Helix, getting a personalized demo, and want to understand how Helix can make your site better, reach out to your Adobe account manager and mention the keyword #helix-chat.<p>If you are impatient, a developer, or both, take a look at the Helix Developer Tutorial in the meantime.
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