Cinder: open-source creative C++

There's also openFrameworks: <a href="http://www.openframeworks.cc" rel="nofollow">http://www.openframeworks.cc</a><p>Some major differences:<p>- Cinder is more "C++y", i.e. more use of templates, boost, etc... openFrameworks opts for more "C with classes" approach, which makes it resemble processing a bit more.<p>- Cinder uses system libs, openFrameworks tends to use third party libs that it wraps into its own API. This puts Cinder closer to the OS on windows/mac, but means that oF has linux support.<p>From personal view, it seems like more agencies use Cinder while more independant devs use openframeworks, but that really doesn't say anything of the frameworks themselves, more the communities.

So "creative coding" is programming graphics, music, etc., right? Is it just me or is that something of an inappropriate term? To me it brings to mind, you know, creative code, clever programming tricks, perl poetry, and the like. Shouldn't we call this multi-media programming or something more specific?<p>I've never heard this usage before. Is it common?

Having never used Cinder before, why would someone choose it over processing?

not for linux. ;_____;

Cinder looks nice but the last time I checked it didn't support OpenGL ES 2.0 shaders. Has that changed?

I tried it a few years ago, but I had a hard time getting into it. (Back then, ) its documentation failed past the obvious first examples, which meant that the authors basically assumed you already knew everything about how to write realtime 3d graphics on modern hardware and recent OpenGL versions.<p>I'd assume that if I already knew all of that, I would've probably made some own code for it before, so wouldn't need Cinder for anything. Compared to Processing, Cinder's entry-barrier is orders of magnitude higher.<p>Or maybe I'm just too stupid. :-)

A word about the website, especially the Hello, Cinder tutorial: Please make the links more visible, thanks :)

I love Cinder!