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George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

499 点作者 Edmond将近 3 年前

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dang将近 3 年前
We belatedly changed the URL from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bookmarks.reviews&#x2F;george-orwells-1940-review-of-mein-kampf&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bookmarks.reviews&#x2F;george-orwells-1940-review-of-mein...</a> to a copy of Orwell&#x27;s text that doesn&#x27;t shamelessly bowdlerize him. I mean, really—Orwell?<p>I&#x27;m referring to the omission of this passage: &quot;<i>I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power—till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter—I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity.</i><p>... that several commenters pointed out:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32135108" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32135108</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32133675" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32133675</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32130897" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32130897</a><p>All: in the future, if you run across something like this, could you please send us a heads up at hn@ycombinator.com? We can&#x27;t read all the articles or comments, but we do read all the emails, usually within a few hours. We will be especially grateful if you point out a flaw as massive as this one.<p>Edit: I couldn&#x27;t resist diffing the bowdlerized text with the gutenberg.net.au one and the eliding of that bit is the only difference between the two, other than punctuation.<p>Edit 2: it turns out that bookmarks.reviews is guilty only of blogspam. They got the thing from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openculture.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;george-orwell-reviews-mein-kampf-1940.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openculture.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;george-orwell-reviews-me...</a>, which links to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carnegiecouncil-media.storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;v18_i007-008_a010.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carnegiecouncil-media.storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;files&#x2F;v...</a> (via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boingboing.net&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;orwells-review-of-mein-kampf.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boingboing.net&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;orwells-review-of-mein-kam...</a>). That looks like a decades-old copy of the 1968 edition, edited by Orwell&#x27;s widow. I doubt that it was she who dropped that sentence—I bet it was whoever reprinted the essay. Considering that Orwell specifically wrote &quot;<i>I should like to put it on record</i>&quot;, that took some brass, or lack of it.<p>The degree to which Orwell practiced intellectual honesty is an endless marvel. If there&#x27;s one thing we should learn from anybody, it&#x27;s that from him.
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rossdavidh将近 3 年前
So, there&#x27;s a lot to be said about Hitler and fascism and propaganda and all the other fascinating topics Orwell brings up here, but I&#x27;d just like to point out how routinely excellent Orwell&#x27;s analysis is. Of course I mostly see the best bits brought out and dusted off, no doubt he did mediocre stuff as well, but it is worth noticing how often it turns out that Orwell, nearly a century on, still has plenty in his writing worth revisiting.
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nl将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s interesting that this version is an edited version, and unclear when the changes occurred.<p>The full version[1] includes this:<p>&gt; I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power—till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter—I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.<p>In the linked version that is represented by &quot;...&quot; which is easy to miss<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html</a>
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leoc将近 3 年前
His &quot;Wells, Hitler and the World-State&quot; is probably better: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;orwell.ru&#x2F;library&#x2F;reviews&#x2F;wells&#x2F;english&#x2F;e_whws" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;orwell.ru&#x2F;library&#x2F;reviews&#x2F;wells&#x2F;english&#x2F;e_whws</a>
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superb-owl将近 3 年前
&gt; Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice<p>This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill.<p>I wonder what sort of strange centrist form of government might be able to strike a balance between our need for comfort and our need for adventure.
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tomkat0789将近 3 年前
I think he highlights some fundamentally toxic aspects of human nature with this bit:<p>“The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do.”<p>The engineer in me wishes we could substitute the soldiers with construction workers or something, but I can’t deny enjoying war games growing up. These days “peace games” like Stardew Valley are more appealing to me, but maybe I’ma little odd.
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helloworld11将近 3 年前
&gt;Probably, in Hitler&#x27;s own mind, the Russo-German Pact represents no more than an alteration of time-table. The plan laid down in Mein Kampf was to smash Russia first, with the implied intention of smashing England afterwards. Now, as it has turned out, England has got to be dealt with first, because Russia was the more easily bribed of the two. But Russia&#x27;s turn will come when England is out of the picture—that, no doubt, is how Hitler sees it.<p>Unsurprisingly, Orwell here was wonderfully prescient, even as many contemporaries failed to see that this exact plan was the case.
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Bostonian将近 3 年前
The Journal of Finance just published this paper: &quot;Financial crises and political radicalization: How failing banks paved Hitler&#x27;s path to power&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bis.org&#x2F;publ&#x2F;work978.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bis.org&#x2F;publ&#x2F;work978.htm</a>.
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russellbeattie将近 3 年前
Ooh! I just read Orwell&#x27;s &quot;Homage to Catalonia&quot;. In it, he describes how he and his wife almost got into serious trouble for having a copy with them in Barcelona. Orwell had joined a loyalist political faction as a volunteer to help fight Franco&#x27;s fascists, which were backed by Germany. However, communists took over the Catalan government, using Orwell&#x27;s party as a scapegoat to gain power. They started rounding them all up as traitors. Thousands were put in jail or summarily executed.<p>The police came to search Orwell&#x27;s wife&#x27;s hotel room in the middle of the night and found a copy of Mein Kampf, which given the circumstances, was incredibly incriminating. But apparently they found other political books and luckily for her, decided it wasn&#x27;t incriminating. I have no idea how.<p>I thought the book was enlightening and Orwell really is an amazing writer. I lived in Spain for a few years and visited most of the areas he went to, which made the whole book even more vivid. Orwell was sooooo lucky to escape the country. Just a week after he and his wife left, formal charges were brought against them as traitors in Spain.<p>By the way, I have no idea how I went this long without knowing it (maybe I forgot) but George Orwell is a pen name. I was reading the Wikipedia page about his wife and I was like, &quot;Who the hell is Eric Blair?&quot;
mikaeluman将近 3 年前
Just have to admit to being impressed by how succinct and clear yet deep this writing was. Easy to read and understand, and certainly gets the point across.
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cypherpunks27ad将近 3 年前
The link is actually to a censored version of the review which omits the sentence &quot;I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler.&quot;<p>An uncensored copy of the review which does contain that sentence is here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html</a><p>Here is a reference from the NYT to show that yes, he really said this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1984&#x2F;06&#x2F;22&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;l-orwellian-ambivalence-toward-adolf-hitler-017710.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1984&#x2F;06&#x2F;22&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;l-orwellian-ambiv...</a><p>The fact that most of the copies of Orwell&#x27;s review of Mein Kampf have replaced this sentence with &quot;...&quot; is downright Orwellian.
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MichaelMoser123将近 3 年前
Orwell omitted a few details: Hitler never had a majority in the Reichstag&#x2F;german parliament - he benefited from the enmity between the Social democrats and the Communist. I mean a popular front, like in France of 1936 would have stopped them. The German soial dems and communist were mortal enemies, because the social dems shot a lot of communists in the aftermath of the Kapp putsch.<p>Also Hitler had the massive support of German industrialists, they bailed him out in 1932, and both Thyssen and Schlacht urged Hindenburg to appoint Hitler. They all thought that they would control Hitler, von Papen certainly thought so.<p>Also the social dems were very passive (to say the least). Von Papen dissolved the Prussian state, where they social dems were the government - that was the state with the largest police force in the country. What did the social dems do? They went to court, when they should have called a general strike (they did exactly that during the Kapp putsch, some thirteen years earlier)<p>Hitler wasn&#x27;t acting alone, I wonder why Orwell didn&#x27;t mention that. I think Orwell didn&#x27;t like the idea of a popular front, because of his negative experience with the communists during the Spanish civil war.
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B1FF_PSUVM将近 3 年前
<i>&quot;Suppose that Hitler’s programme could be put into effect. What he envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of ‘living room’ (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or thereabouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder.&quot;</i><p>That bears reading twice.
cato_the_elder将近 3 年前
&gt;[...] at this moment ‘Better an end with horror than a horror without end’ is a winner. Now that we are fighting against the man who coined it, we ought not to underrate its emotional appeal.”<p>Orwell&#x27;s attribution of the quote here seems to be incorrect.<p>While it&#x27;s true that Hitler used the saying in his speeches [1], it predates him by many decades, and is often attributed to Ferdinand von Schill (the guy who unsuccessfully rebelled against Napoleon). [2][3]<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;comicism.tripod.com&#x2F;341108.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;comicism.tripod.com&#x2F;341108.html</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.m.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;lieber_ein_Ende_mit_Schrecken_als_ein_Schrecken_ohne_Ende" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.m.wiktionary.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;lieber_ein_Ende_mit_Schreck...</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;quotes&#x2F;6564585-better-an-end-with-horror-than-a-horror-without-end" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;quotes&#x2F;6564585-better-an-end-with-...</a>
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anonu将近 3 年前
plus ça change, plus c&#x27;est la même chose
motohagiography将近 3 年前
&gt; [...] because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’tonly want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades.<p>One wonders whether this desire for struggle, self-sacrifice, drums, flags and loyalty-parades is not a right&#x2F;left thing, and whether the consequences of indulging it are independent of the stories we tell about it.<p>There&#x27;s a deeper cause for it though I think. The civilization from which I write this comment offers comfort, safety, and hygiene and really everything you could possibly imagine, so long as you don&#x27;t challenge its weaknesses and falsehoods. There is a (very partisan) quote from UK physician and author Theodore Dalrymple that captures it well, &quot;<i>When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.</i>.”<p>The urge for those drums, flags and parades is a desire for the dignity that the comforts don&#x27;t provide, and in the fascist case, it was also an opposite reaction against the indignity of precieved comfort and lies. My pet theory about the nazis was what made them so explicitly and sickeningly cruel was they were compensating for the psychosexual shame and humiliation, not only from war reparations, but from a generation of mostly fatherless boys (post-WW1) raised in the culture of the Wiemar Republic. They envied the masculine eros of Mussolini&#x27;s fascism and directly adopted its aestheics combined with a new occult mythology to compensate for the defeat of the Austro-Hungarian empire, and with the promise of largely ethno-socialist policies. Jews in Germany were not total outsiders at the time (though there is no denying anti-semitism before NSDAP, Europe&#x27;s historic anti-semitism practically defines it), many Jews having fought for the country and Kaiser, but nazi propaganda against them was all about scapegoating them for the liberalism (so-called &quot;degeneracy&quot;) of Wiemar, and crucially, for the psychosexual shame of a generation of German boys who would eventually join the nazi party. Add freely available meth (pervitin) to the mix, and the dictator had everything he needed.<p>This doesn&#x27;t excuse or explain at all, but rather, asks whether these factors have any predictive power, where if you add these ingredients together again, do we get a similar result, and how do we know the reaction is occurring as predicted without it becoming a chain reaction throughout the whole system? It seems like an urgent contemporary question to me.
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_Algernon_将近 3 年前
The top comment points out that a part is redacted, removing &quot;I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power - till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter - I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity.&quot;. This Gutenberg version appears to include that line: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html</a>
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Coolerbythelake将近 3 年前
Obviously the parallels to what we&#x27;re living through with our last president are plain and should be alarming. The ridiculous idea that the secret service sms messages aren&#x27;t available somewhere from the NSA or some other agency is a joke. We are in the midst of a slow moving coup and as long as 45 remains free, spewing his vitriol and handing out cash to his devotees unimpeded we should be very concerned.
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rr808将近 3 年前
Does anyone know why Hitler hated Stalin and communism so much? The article alludes to how Russia was always the main target, and he was friends with industrialists, but I&#x27;ve never seen a good reason why.
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j3s将近 3 年前
this is tangentially related, but i&#x27;ve always loved reading this critique of orwell &amp; 1984 by asimov: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newworker.org&#x2F;ncptrory&#x2F;1984.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newworker.org&#x2F;ncptrory&#x2F;1984.htm</a><p>i&#x27;ve always thought it a valid critique, and it makes me think less of orwell&#x27;s writings
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SecuredMarvin将近 3 年前
I wonder no more why my people, after Habeck announcing more than a uncomfortable winter, are united in supporting the people of Ukraine. He offered suffering for a cause. While the morale is quite different, the social mechanics repeat.
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p1peridine将近 3 年前
Interesting read.<p>Speaking of dystopian fiction authors; Aldous Huxley wrote the well-known book &quot;Brave New World&quot;. [0]<p>Doing a quick search for MK-ULTRA on Wikileaks one can find this now unclassified transcript from 1974:<p>&gt; ... AND OTHER CULTS LIKE IT ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, BUT WERE DELIBERATE SYNTHETIC CREATIONS PART OF A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT INCLUDED THE MK-ULTRA OPERATION, THAT WAS RUN THROUGH BRITISH INTELLIGENCE CONTROL OVER A SECTION OF THE CIA, WAS RUN THROUGH ALDOUS HUXLEY AND GREGORY BATES OUT OF PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA. [1]<p>Wonder if BNW is a blueprint, rather than a fiction book. Thoughts?<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brave_New_World" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brave_New_World</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201109003500&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikileaks.org&#x2F;plusd&#x2F;cables&#x2F;1978STATE302484_d.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201109003500&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikileaks...</a>
fmajid将近 3 年前
Hitler tried to use copyright law to prevent translations from being published, notably in France.
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nabla9将近 3 年前
&gt; clumsy writing of Mein Kampf,<p>Mein Kampf is clumsy but offers real insights into propaganda. He really thought about it. He clearly understands the value of propaganda in the war: <i>&quot;propaganda demands the most skilled brains that can be found.&quot;</i><p>When Hitler talks mass psychology and propaganda, he says something very insightful even if it&#x27;s inconvenient to hear for some. He calls masses feminine. When he talks to his followers, he talks to a beast that knows to be emotional and irrational. Rational reasoning is useless. Just emotion, repetition, never backing down, or admitting mistake.
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mdtancsa将近 3 年前
I am surprised no one has mentioned Paul Bloom&#x27;s &quot;Sweet Spot&quot;. He looks at the psychology behind chosen pain &#x2F; suffering &#x2F; struggle (e.g. running a marathon ) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;56922622-the-sweet-spot" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;56922622-the-sweet-sp...</a>
Barrera将近 3 年前
&gt; But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches … The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.<p>A commenter here (and one on the original article) has noted that the part being elided appears to be the following:<p>&gt; I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power—till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter—I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity.<p>The full review is, apparently, here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gutenberg.net.au&#x2F;ebooks16&#x2F;1600051h.html</a><p>That this is the only elision seems very strange. The passage is crucial to understanding how Hitler was able to do what he did. Orwell is expressing his admiration for Hitler&#x27;s deep understanding of human nature while at the same time despising its application. It&#x27;s a lesson too hard-won and too relevant today to be brushed aside.<p>Still, I can&#x27;t help but think that Orwell, who gave us the Ministry of Truth and its capacity for historical engineering at scale, would be highly amused.
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Bud将近 3 年前
Very timely post given the threat of the fascist movement in the US right now.<p>Especially interesting that Orwell mentions the right to birth control, since that, too, is now being threatened and destroyed in the US. Orwell understood the link.
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photochemsyn将近 3 年前
&gt; &quot;Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet. Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war.&quot;<p>I think there&#x27;s been a profound change in popular thinking on this since the end of World War II, and it&#x27;s all due to the nuclear arms race. Maybe the aerial bombardment of cities in the later years of WWII had an influence as well, and to some extent the reality of chemical and biological warfare, but it&#x27;s really the threat of immediate nuclear annihilation that has made the &#x27;world leaders&#x27; less enthusiastic about sending the young people off to die in wars in the name of national patriotism and defense of the country.<p>The result, however, has been a long string of proxy wars between the so-called &#x27;Great Powers&#x27; (which are now defined as those having a sizeable nuclear arsenal), right on up to Ukraine today, and the rise of smaller nations with nuclear arsenals (Israel and North Korea) who view them as an indispensable protection from external forces. There&#x27;s also the case of India and Pakistan, who likely would have fought several WWII-scale tank&#x2F;air&#x2F;sea battles by now without the looming threat of MAD to dissuade them.<p>It&#x27;s not an argument that the nuclear disarmament organizations like to hear, but I think if we really got rid of nukes then we&#x27;d be back in large-scale aerial bombardment and mass tank battles, and of course in that situation there&#x27;d be frantic efforts to rebuild the nukes. I don&#x27;t see them going away ever, sans their actual global-scale use, in which case it&#x27;ll be back to sticks and stones.
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belter将近 3 年前
&quot;...All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet....<p>...Perhaps later on they will get sick of it and change their minds, as at the end of the last war. After a few years of slaughter and starvation ‘Greatest happiness of the greatest number’ is a good slogan, but at this moment ‘Better an end with horror than a horror without end’ is a winner. Now that we are fighting against the man who coined it, we ought not to underrate its emotional appeal...”
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rob_c将近 3 年前
Well, he wasn&#x27;t wrong.