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VCs are scared when they should be greedy

223 点作者 mlchild将近 3 年前

15 条评论

lpolovets将近 3 年前
(Context: I&#x27;m a VC)<p>Some great points in the post, but I also see a few additional dynamics at play:<p>1) The last 10 years have been great for VCs and startups, but now VCs are thinking about how to make their funds last longer. Two reasons for this: first, time diversification matters. If you think markets might go down even more, you don&#x27;t want to deploy the rest of your fund quickly, you want to spread it out over a few years and get a good average cost basis. Second, there&#x27;s a healthy fear among VCs that LP capital will be much harder to secure in the next 1-2 years. And you don&#x27;t want to deploy the rest of your current fund in the next 6 months if you won&#x27;t have a new fund ready to go for 18 months.<p>2) Most VCs (and founders) hate down rounds. So a lot of existing companies are stuck because they previously raised at $X valuation, and now the market price is $0.75X, and either the VC doesn&#x27;t want to push for a down round or a founder won&#x27;t accept it, or both.<p>3) Aaron mentions this in the blog post, but everyone is worried about downstream investors. Our fund is big enough to lead a seed round, but it can&#x27;t put a dent in a Series A, so we depend on Series A investors eventually backing our seed companies. And Series A investors often depend on Series B investors to invest a lot in the next round. And so on. If the entire growth stage market grinds to a halt -- and it seems like it basically has -- then early stage investors start worrying about making new investments because there&#x27;s way less downstream funding available. So even if a seed VC believes this is an amazing time to build a company and there are lots of great seed opportunities out there, they might still slow down investing a lot if they know their companies will need more funding and that funding doesn&#x27;t seem to be there right now.<p>4) I&#x27;ve been a VC for about a decade, and the gap between VC and founder valuation expectations is greater than it&#x27;s ever been during that time. 3 months ago, a median seed round was at $20m post, and a lot were at $25m-$30m post. Now I still see a lot of seed founders looking for $20m-$30m post, but a lot of VCs believe we should be back to 2020 valuations of $10m-$15m post. The gap between an expectation of, say, $13m post on one side and $25m post on the other side is <i>huge</i>, and lots of conversations never even begin because of that mismatch.
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kelp将近 3 年前
From the linked article: &quot;Critically, the venture market at the time was tiny relative to today’s ecosystem&quot;<p>This isn&#x27;t quite true. At least for US VC investment in dollars. It peaked at $66 billion in 2000, and didn&#x27;t surpass that amount until 2018, according to these charts:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pitchbook.infogram.com&#x2F;6-vm-charts-1h8n6m3klxngj4x" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pitchbook.infogram.com&#x2F;6-vm-charts-1h8n6m3klxngj4x</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;chart&#x2F;11443&#x2F;venture-capital-activity-in-the-us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;chart&#x2F;11443&#x2F;venture-capital-activit...</a><p>And if you adjust for inflation, that year 2000 $66B is $103.86B in 2021 dollars, and the 2nd chart shows 2021 getting to $128B.<p>Now the two different data sources do have somewhat different numbers for each comparable year. I couldn&#x27;t find a comparison that covered enough years to show the difference. But I think it&#x27;s pretty clear that the dot com era was a spectacularly fast increase in VC funding. And the more recent years were slower growth, but did end up getting to slightly higher numbers, if you adjust for inflation.
ilrwbwrkhv将近 3 年前
A lot of people became &quot;VC&quot;s during the bull run. They brought nothing to the table like YC did. Instead some previously reputable VCs like a16z became crypto grifters. So it&#x27;s good the market clears a bunch of them so that the YCs and next generation of VCs who actually bring something new to the table come to the forefront.
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acd将近 3 年前
&quot;In contrast with the scenario in 2000, most of today’s tech companies are real businesses.&quot;<p>I disagree that many startups have viable ideas that will generate black numbers and organic growth.<p>Bold founders have sold startup ideas which are not sustainable.<p>Ie investment capital have prefered bold founders that could give vision of high future returns wework for example.<p>A small number of startups will become awesome but the majority wont.<p>Zero interest rates was a money rocket that fueled startups going to the sky. But what goes up usually comes down eventually with gravity&#x2F;interest rates.<p>A small fraction of startups will become super sucessfull but the majority wont. The number of sucessfull probably follows some kind of statistical distribution of which startups is great vs bad.<p>Higher interest rates will adjust future return calculations that is brilliant from the article!
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fdgsdfogijq将近 3 年前
Rather than complain about how VCs arent good investors, people should rail on the system that selects VCs. Which is mostly admittance to prestigious MBA programs&#x2F;colleges. So please write a post about how those schools arent selecting for good investors, because these diatribes about a &quot;flawed&quot; industry are very surface level compared to the underpinning power structures in america
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kbuchanan将近 3 年前
This post reminded me a little of my real estate agent&#x27;s newsletter:<p>2007: There&#x27;s never been a better time to buy! 2008: There&#x27;s never been a better time to buy! 2012: There&#x27;s never been a better time to buy! 2020: There&#x27;s never been a better time to buy! 2022: There&#x27;s never been a better time to buy!
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thdxr将近 3 年前
while I agree with the general premise (majority of VCs are not good investors) it&#x27;s important to remember the money they raised isn&#x27;t sitting in a bank account.<p>It&#x27;s likely still in the LPs stock portfolio, doing a capital call when everyone is down a lot can be tricky. You need to sell the investment more even though they agreed to give you the money when you asked
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skeeter2020将近 3 年前
The narative here seem disengenious, framing everything as one extreme to another:<p>Then came the coronavirus-related market shock of 2020...everyone assumed the absolute worst...then everything ... went nuts... around the beginning of this year, when it all ground down to a halt.<p>I don&#x27;t doubt you can find (many) examples to support this, and yes, the themes are along these lines, but this is not the absolute reality in many industries, geographies and companies. If companies that have been hit hard are still able to raise, though maybe it&#x27;s more painful.<p>My take-aways are:<p>* This is not the end of the world<p>* Poor fundamentals will be recognized and punished (finally) but only for a while<p>* There are some really good deals out there
gumby将近 3 年前
&gt; Most of that advice focuses on how founders need to adjust to survive the deteriorating conditions—cutting cash burn by firing underperforming employees, slowing hiring…<p>Makes me wonder what kind of “advice” they were giving before: you should be replacing underperforming employees at any stage of a business cycle.
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MegaButts将近 3 年前
&gt; In contrast with the scenario in 2000, most of today’s tech companies are real businesses.<p>How many of today&#x27;s startups are just servicing each other with VC money? This isn&#x27;t meant to be flippant - I&#x27;m genuinely curious (and while I bet it&#x27;s a lot, I am skeptical it is overwhelming).<p>I mean if we really look at some of the business models for these companies, they&#x27;re clearly unsustainable. Uber is a prime example of a company that seems destined to fail. If your unit economics don&#x27;t work then you&#x27;re fucked, and even if you raise literally tens of billions of dollars you will eventually run out of money. And yet companies like these are held up as prime examples of unicorn success stories. It&#x27;s not just Uber - there are serious problems with many of the most acclaimed startups.<p>Obviously not all startups are terrible, but as someone who isn&#x27;t a VC (but once considered becoming one), I think tech investors are unable to see their bias for just how awful most tech companies today are.
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ffggvv将近 3 年前
VCs as a whole are followers, not leaders (with small exceptions). they all just fly into the latest hype bandwagon hoping to replicate the last big success.
rexreed将近 3 年前
Easy to say when it&#x27;s not your money you&#x27;re investing, and when you have a business that depends on the continued flow of VC money.
andrewstuart将近 3 年前
I&#x27;d have preferred &quot;hungry&quot; instead of &quot;greedy&quot;.<p>&quot;Greedy&quot; conjures images of ravenous VCs exploiting startups.<p>&quot;Hungry&quot; sounds like they have a healthy appetite for investing.<p>Just MHO.
jonathanehrlich将近 3 年前
Thanks. Please write more frequently.
HorizonXP将近 3 年前
I&#x27;ll say this, as a YC founder, given the current situation, I&#x27;ve never been more excited.<p>I&#x27;m currently working with a Fortune 100 client in a recession-proof space. We have a team that&#x27;s knocking it out of the park with them, that they simply cannot find an equivalent replacement for. We are cash-flow positive. And we have a route to securing more clients in the next year. We are delivering technology &amp; innovation to companies that are decisively lacking in this area.<p>Once we prove out our MVP with future clients, I plan to raise seed funding, and remain cash flow positive. Our path to Series A will involve a lot of sales, and that&#x27;s an area where VCs and the right networks can definitely help. We know we can solve the technology hurdles and build the product that our users actually want.<p>Raising funding might be tough given the macro situation. But I know our value, and we have plenty of time to wait out nervous investors. What&#x27;s more likely is that we&#x27;ll close our round without them, since we shouldn&#x27;t <i>need</i> the money. We need the help.