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How an engineer looks at the idea of pumping water from Mississippi to the West

15 点作者 jerryjerryjerry将近 3 年前

7 条评论

bell-cot将近 3 年前
At least it&#x27;s talking about the Mississippi. Vs. such stories often feature the Great Lakes - so a longer &amp; more expensive pipe, reaching to a source with less water available.<p>And it sounds like the guy&#x27;s a sane engineer, so he quickly concludes &quot;it&#x27;s a pipe dream&quot; without needing to get into a bunch of weedy details.
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nathanaldensr将近 3 年前
It ain&#x27;t happening, folks. Better start the mass migration now before it&#x27;s too late (assuming insane water use policies continue as they have).
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badrabbit将近 3 年前
I am far from an engineer so I have questions. First, is the 3700ft terminus the only way for water to flow? Are tunnels not an option? $150B one time cost is acceptable, the interstate highway cost trillions.<p>My recurring idea to build next and in parallel or under major interstate highways a water way,sewage route and a high speed railway. The availabiliy of water wherever there is a an interstate highway and railway would solve so many problems including housing and it will be an economic boom. Much more land would be habitable and towns would explode. The economic activity generated will offset the costs in a few decades and this can be all powered by a combination of nuclear (water source), hydro (transmission&#x2F;route&#x2F;boosting) and wind+solar (anywhere?).<p>Actually, my idea was to use nuclear power by the pacific coast, desalinate it, deposit the brine in the desert and send the water to reservoir lakes from which my proposed interstate transportation and utility route will be fed. This will then unsher a new era of the megapolis!<p>Of course I will need become your leader then, naturally! (Jk).<p>Can someone more sane tell me how crazy this idea is and why it would cost more than the IHS? You can bond out most of the financing because the profit from rail travel, excess power and water would pay of long term bond interests, you wouldn&#x27;t need to print new money or anything.
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drewbug01将近 3 年前
This is one of my favorite internet dramas right now.<p>Some highlights:<p>- “When floods, tornadoes hit the Midwest, the West helps pay. So why can&#x27;t we have some water?”: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;when-floods-hit-midwest-west-helps-pay-so-give-us-some-water&#x2F;10063184002&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;w...</a><p>- “If California comes for Midwest water, we have plenty of dynamite in Minnesota”: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;11&#x2F;if-california-comes-midwest-water-minnesota-has-plenty-dynamite&#x2F;7827575001&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;11&#x2F;i...</a><p>- “If Midwest doesn&#x27;t want to share water, fine. But don&#x27;t ask us for help with your problems”: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;22&#x2F;if-midwest-wont-share-water-dont-ask-west-help-your-woes&#x2F;10091680002&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.desertsun.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;readers&#x2F;2022&#x2F;07&#x2F;22&#x2F;i...</a><p>There are so many letters, and it’s kinda fun to watch. That said, I feel a profound sadness that so many people cannot envision any solution to unsustainable water practices other than “just give us your water.”<p>Agricultural practices in the west simply cannot continue; and truly arid desert regions (for example, Las Vegas) simply must adapt. We cannot divert more water to solve the problems - the crisis today shows exactly why that’s not the right answer.
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ncmncm将近 3 年前
It seems like using solar and wind power to extract moisture from the air would be overwhelmingly cheaper than pumping it from far away. The atmosphere brings you the water for free, you just need to extract it.<p>It amounts to running a big dehumidifier. You would of course only need to run the system when the panels and turbines are producing, so opex is close to zero.
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pasttense01将近 3 年前
When you open the article and it opens to a subscription page the solution is to just open it in private browser mode.
tomohawk将近 3 年前
How an economist might look at it: tax the hell out of living in the desert. Los Angeles, Los Vegas, and other locales are in a desert. Living there is not sustainable. Look at how California has already been terraformed to supply water to Los Angeles. Enough already.
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