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262 点作者 pkdpic将近 3 年前

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MrDunham将近 3 年前
&quot;There&#x27;s no money in maker spaces.&quot;<p>I so wish this wasn&#x27;t true. I want to open my own to inspire young inventors to learn and build (because I wish it had existed for me).<p>A few weeks ago I was talking to the founder of a wildly profitable coworking chain in Ohio.<p>He broke the code...<p>don&#x27;t sell memberships, sell the foot traffic to towns (and malls).<p>A few local towns even gave him $1 rent on beautiful buildings because the downtown needed more foot traffic. Or $750k non recourse loans for remodels.<p>In short, he&#x27;s a damn fine businessman... and he&#x27;s the one to say that he can&#x27;t figure out how to make a maker space profitable.<p>It truly breaks my heart to see maker spaces go under again, and again, and again.<p>Clearly the standard business model of memberships + classes + fees doesn&#x27;t carry enough margin. I just wonder what might as I&#x27;d love to see a makerspace in every city.
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imroot将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m a former president and board member of a makerspace in Ohio (hive13).<p>We thrived on donations (a lot of donations from members who had extra to give to help support the space and help students or those who couldn&#x27;t afford our membership), and didn&#x27;t receive much local help.<p>A few years ago the hive grew to the point where we couldn&#x27;t expand it any more, and we moved locations. We&#x27;re still going strong. We spend money by voting on project, and even when projects aren&#x27;t funded, the community finds a way to make it happen anyway.<p>We didn&#x27;t try to run it for profit: memberships are $50&#x2F;month or $100&#x2F;month (if you can afford it) or $13.37 (if you&#x27;re a student or can&#x27;t afford it).<p>The hive is still on great footing, financially speaking, and it competes with maker spaces from the Cincinnati Public Library as well as a commercial makerspace in Sharonville.<p>Maker spaces do work, but, it takes a lot of time, effort, and quite literally blood to make them work well.
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gwbas1c将近 3 年前
&gt; According to the staff, barring any major financial assistance offers or opportunities they will begin closing at the end of July.<p>Big question: <i>Why?</i><p>I remember when I canceled my hacker space membership. What triggered me was a poorly-planned expansion. The expansion was triggered because the hacker space was essentially turning into a below-cost co-working space, and the whole thing smelled unsustainable.<p>A few months later I got a &quot;save the hacker space&quot; email. Turns out that, with their expansion, the city they were in decided they were too big to exempt from ADA. They couldn&#x27;t use the new space that they needed more memberships for, and they couldn&#x27;t afford the renovations to meet ADA.<p>I didn&#x27;t like being put on the hook for poor planning to subsidize what was turning into a below-cost co-working space, so I just lost interest in the community.
seabird将近 3 年前
No snark intended; what does this place offer? Is it largely a &quot;community&quot; thing? I&#x27;m looking at the equipment they have listed and it&#x27;s oddly deficient. There&#x27;s absolutely no electronics or 3D printing equipment you wouldn&#x27;t be able to field yourself if you can afford the $125&#x2F;month subscription. There&#x27;s some metalworking basics that might be worthwhile if you have no space and no way to get any (highly likely in Sacramento), but with single machines for a given role and no comment on the available tooling and other support, there could be pretty serious issues with reliably using any of it. If I read the website correctly, they have at least 3000 square feet dedicated to gussied up co-working space, but no lathes currently available. Is this not checking out for anybody else that&#x27;s hearing about this place secondhand?
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jabelone将近 3 年前
Heya, as a regular hacker news reader I stumbled upon this thread. In response to a lot of the comments here, I thought I’d mention that I just started a commercial makerspace in Brisbane, Australia about 9 months ago. You can read more about it here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brisbanemaker.space" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brisbanemaker.space</a><p>I was part of another volunteer run hackerspace for nearly 5 years but decided to leave and start my own after experiencing several issues.<p>We’re focused on digital fabrication and may eventually expand to include a woodshop and&#x2F;or metalshop. The most important things I’ve found is that you need to focus on what tools etc actually matter to people and keep them working well. Most non profit makerspaces seem to focus on acquiring as many “new toys” as possible rather than focusing on the important “core” stuff like keeping tools working well and the culture&#x2F;ongoing member experience. This combined with a great on boarding and tool induction process is essential and where I feel so many spaces do poorly.<p>We’re not profitable yet, but on track to cover all operational costs in about 2-3 months. It was important for me to be fully independent so we don’t rely on any grant money or discounted rents etc. It’s hard work, but I feel like our current trajectory can be summarised as growing slowly but consistently. My gut feeling is our business model is sustainable and I may end up being able to quit my full time software engineering job in a couple years. So it’s not all doom and gloom everywhere. :)<p>P.S. I also maintain an open source membership portal with integrated billing, payments and RFID access system built by me specifically for makerspaces: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;membermatters&#x2F;MemberMatters" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;membermatters&#x2F;MemberMatters</a>
langsoul-com将近 3 年前
Why do people insist on begging and pleading? Something like a hacker space ain&#x27;t no charity.<p>Look at the books, at the numbers, make some form of concrete or possible plan for recovery. Don&#x27;t just beg for assistance from governments or mysterious angels.<p>Even places that went through renovation or were funded by an angel happened for a reason. Maybe that was for good PR, because they had some personal memories there. Or it was funded via their charity for a tax break.<p>People beg too much these days and don&#x27;t think for themselves. Why?
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pvg将近 3 年前
Few days ago, 118 comments:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32197708" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32197708</a>
YeBanKo将近 3 年前
iirc they have only one location in Sacramento. I would love to support them, but I don&#x27;t live anywhere close, looks like one time donation thing won&#x27;t help them anyway and becoming a member not being able to attend does not make sense.<p>However, it would be nice to know why they failed from financial standpoint. There were couple of tech shops around me that closed their door over the last few years(even before pandemic), but I think there was enough&#x2F;some interest. And eventually I would be interested in starting&#x2F;helping with something like this at a smaller scale in my area.<p>This is why I am curios what could have been done differently to make it sustainable? My theory is they were more ambitious with the variety of equipments, programs and space they have, but would live if someone has more insights?
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dosman33将近 3 年前
I added a late response to the last thread on this issue that outlined a detailed process to recovery. No one is going to throw money at a ship that&#x27;s actively sinking. They need to have a plan that communicates how they will turn the ship around before any angel donors will step up. I hope they are working on this behind the scenes.
dmitrygr将近 3 年前
&gt; If you are able to help in any way please reach out directly to the Hacker Lab team.<p>Why not instead name a number? What is needed? I am sure crowdfunding the proper sum is easier than finding a benevolent millionaire
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ta988将近 3 年前
I heard that one of the two hackerspaces in Chicago is handling money really well and for more than a decade. It is possible you just have to put someone that doesn&#x27;t dilapitade or steal the money in charge of it and allow members to voice their concerns and have access to financial records. All the places I&#x27;ve seen failing they were kept hidden either by the institution or dishonest administrators.
rexreed将近 3 年前
Take it from my personal experience, Hacker Lab won&#x27;t be saved. There are no mysterious philanthropists or charities that throw their money or resources behind unsustainable hackerspaces or startup community resources. So many tech spaces and even meetups died in the past 5-6 years, and no white knights came to save the day. Indeed, in many cases, no one could be bothered to lift a finger to help, even those who were supportive in the past, when it suited their own needs. Hackerspaces and coworking spaces were all the rage, fad, and a dime a dozen in every city in the 2012-2019 pre-COVID startup cycle. But post-COVID, and even with a few frauds that poisoned the well, these fads go as all fads go.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.al.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;kyle-sandler-explains-how-he-conned-opelika-out-of-19-million-on-hbos-generation-hustle.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.al.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;kyle-sandler-explains-how-he...</a>
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TaylorAlexander将近 3 年前
Heart breaking to see places like this close shop. I’ve seen first hand how many people learn new skills from the kind of hands on community learning that these places can offer. If anyone has the finances to turn this around I encourage you to do it.<p>I can’t offer that, but this situation reminds me that things don’t have to be this way. There are alternative land use strategies that hold land in trust for the use of communities so that land use doesn’t have a monetary cost associated with it, or costs are managed as a community. Most prominent in my mind is the way the city government of Vienna Austria buys land and builds housing to keep prices low. We absolutely should have community spaces for our communities, but our notion of land as a private investment makes land super expensive, and in an unequal society regular people can’t afford commoditized land prices. Instead we all end up working as hard as we can to meet ever rising rents. But it doesn’t have to be this way.
thepasswordis将近 3 年前
It sucks, but they&#x27;re not going to find that benevolent millionaire.<p>Hackerspaces all over the place have gone through this exact cycle. There&#x27;s always some hope of &quot;well we&#x27;re all the grassroots of the tech cycles. Surely the ultra wealthy in our tribe will toss us a few scraps!&quot;<p>But no, they won&#x27;t, and it breaks my heart.
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tmaly将近 3 年前
I looked at the photos on the post. The first thing I saw missing was sponsorships. Why not bring in some of the big companies like Homedepot to sponsor the hacker labs?
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samtho将近 3 年前
I was at Hackerlab at the beginning in 2012 when it was still on I at 17th. The community has always been lovely and Gina is very sweet and passionate. One of the biggest reasons why I’ve seen it struggle is the fact that so many people wanted it to be&#x2F;to do different things for them. Coworking, private offices, event space, but also a makerspace with metalworking, woodworking, laser cutting, electronics, and more. A robust system of classes took years to get off the ground. Nobody wanted to do anything that wasn’t pleasant or interesting, but this is exactly what is needed to keep a space up and running.<p>Coworking area was boring, but this comes with the territory. Private offices make the bulk of their revenue but also consumed the bulk of their space. This was not a community, however. Everyone did their work and left - which is fine, but this was the front-of-house thing that everyone saw and was not super impressive until you saw the back. The Coworking area did serve as a meetup space which was nice at least.<p>In the makerspace area, at the beginning, a ton of people brought their tools into the space and made their own little dens and nobody was really allowed to touch those tools. Early members often did not pay membership but monopolized so much space with their clutter and tools that were useless to anyone else. This was a huge drain on the ability to get up and running but nobody wanted to have the hard conversations with these “foundational” members. This created a lot of social debt that had to be repaid&#x2F;reorganized that, quite frankly, held them back a tremendous amount. A few “members” that seemed to be there all the time but we never saw working or making things, were actually homeless people just sleeping on the couches after everyone left.<p>Also, HackerLab is a B-corp, but not a tax-exempt nonprofit. I firmly believe getting tax-exempt status under 501(c)(3) is the only way to run a successful community space as we can align the organization’s mission with what makes communities great to be apart of.<p>I was part of a small group that splintered off in 2016 to form our own smaller makerspace focused on desktop fab. We suffered a similar fate in that everyone on the board&#x2F;admin side of things were makers. We didn’t want to do stuff like fundraise, go after members, equipment, or organize periodic events. We still did fine but made the decision to cease operations when the stay at home order started.<p>Now, I’m involved with Shop Class on Stockton Blvd at 14th ave. The guy who started it is my across-the-street neighbor. I found out what he was doing and helped him get connected with some people who were interested in this sort of thing. I’ve helped him organize as a nonprofit org and we just found our education coordinator, operations manager (myself), an (interim) events coordinator, and a community manager, but we’re still looking for a treasurer&#x2F; accountant. I’m helping Chad do everything right here from what I’ve learned over the years. We are current getting funding to build out the facility and possibly purchase the building.
flaque将近 3 年前
You should open a kickstarter or gofundme while you have the spotlight.
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awiesenhofer将近 3 年前
I dont know the place unfortunately, but maybe turning part of it into a coworking space would work? Here in Vienna people easily pay ~300$&#x2F;m for a desk and they sell like hot cakes. You have the desks just add a printer and coffee machine and you are good to go ;) With lets say 10 desks this gets you thousands in MRR additionally to the memberships quite fast.
karmicthreat将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m always amazed at how Noisebridge seems to survive. It&#x27;s grimy, chaotic and in an expensive city. But it always survives somehow.
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perryizgr8将近 3 年前
If it&#x27;s so good then why don&#x27;t they just charge an appropriate price for their services? It looks great in the pics, I&#x27;m sure people will support it with their money if it is useful and valuable for them.
rtpg将近 3 年前
It really sucks how basically real estate pricing seems to be determinative in what communities will have, especially in the US where restrictive zoning makes it even more fragile.<p>I don&#x27;t know how you could make something as spacious as what is shown in those pictures work with my understanding of US real estate. No matter what you do, sticking a donut chain in there would probably be more profitable, and thus the rents will show that.<p>Small cynic in me: when I saw the size of the desk area, my immediate feeling was &quot;chop that in half&quot;. Do you really need to be paying a bunch of rent and offering a subpar coworking space along with your hacker space? But I imagine that staff costs are also an issue.
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cr3ative将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m a bit taken aback that it&#x27;s a for-profit company. These spaces are generally community driven.
sen将近 3 年前
While the place looks impressive, it also looks ridiculously excessive. The amount of wasted space, the running costs and maintenance required for all that space, etc etc… a hackerspace just doesn’t need that. They clearly got over-excited about being “fancy” rather than concentrating on being sustainable financially. People use these spaces for the equipment and socialisation, it doesn’t need to look like an Ikea.
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