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TIFU by using Stripe as a payment processor for my small business

575 点作者 ahiknsr将近 3 年前

63 条评论

patio11将近 3 年前
(I work for Stripe, and since many of my colleagues are currently sleeping, taking the liberty of saying this on their behalf.)<p>We are looking into things.<p>As someone who ran businesses for a long time myself, it would be very alarming to me if customers felt they were being ignored while repeatedly talking to people who work for us. If that ever happens, please bring in literally anyone at Stripe, inclusive of other Patrick. Our email addresses are often available through a quick search of HN; mine is (predictably) patio11@stripe.com if you need it.<p>We don&#x27;t comment publicly on individual customers. This is an important part of customer privacy and we&#x27;re serious about it.<p>Sometimes situations which result in external complaints are the result of a process failure, and in those cases we try to fix the instant case and improve processes in the future.<p>Sometimes they are the result of a process operating correctly but coming to a result which someone did not enjoy. The record available to the process is often more detailed than the record available to the public Internet, and may include extremely relevant context.
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tothrowaway将近 3 年前
Putting my dang hat on. Related:<p><i>Tell HN: Stripe brought my business to a dead stop</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21030633" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21030633</a> - September 2019<p><i>Tell HN: Stripe shut down my 4-year business with no explanation</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28085706" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28085706</a> - August 2021<p><i>Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28522784" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28522784</a> - September 2021<p><i>Stripe Shut Us Down</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28881026" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28881026</a> - October 2021<p><i>Help HN: Stripe shutting us down with 48 hours notice on a holiday skeleton crew</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29712023" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29712023</a> - December 2021<p>I&#x27;m probably missing a lot of threads.
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vemv将近 3 年前
If it was, say, a $30000 charge I could give Stripe the benefit of doubt, but $3300 is a pretty ordinary amount for any retailer. Could be e.g. a laptop sale, or three phones?<p>When I see Stripe&#x27;s apology here it will not be enough for me - not at least without a detailed blog post &#x2F; postmortem.<p>Until&#x2F;if that moment happens, I&#x27;ll regard Stripe as an untrustworthy entity and will recommend doing the same to do anyone I do business with.<p>Zero tolerance for Google-style algo-decisions and stonewalling.
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cdmoyer将近 3 年前
The OP later clarified that it wasn&#x27;t a normal transaction. They sold a &quot;cheap company van&quot; using their stripe business account. That seems like a huge liability, since a used car seems extremely likely to cause a chargeback. I don&#x27;t think dealerships would accept a credit card payment (other than deposit) for this reason.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;smallbusiness&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa1zob&#x2F;dont_use_stripe_i_am_trying_to_save_you_from_my&#x2F;ihyq7tl&#x2F;?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=ios_app&amp;utm_name=iossmf&amp;context=3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;smallbusiness&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa1zob&#x2F;dont_...</a>
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Tomte将近 3 年前
Welcome to the Stripe support forum! A founder will be here momentarily.
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redeeman将近 3 年前
This &quot;rant&quot; is in general, and not related to OPs case<p>I would strongly recommend to not rely on stripe, their service level has become a joke. I get it, they have a nice API, their system is technically nice in many ways, and they are (or atleast were ~5 years ago) way easier to deal with for developers than the &quot;old&quot; players on the market.<p>but they are kinda like google, their support is pretty much non existent when things arent on the &quot;happy path&quot;, they will GLADLY ignore any inquiry for months if they feel like it, I know this for bitter personal experience.<p>Yeah, their fees might be slightly lower than the older players, but the old ones you could call if it comes to it, and they will NOT be doing the same shenanigans on a whim, as it appears Stripe do.
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lotophage将近 3 年前
&gt; More disconcerting, it seems that anyone who posts about this issue on reddit gets downvoted and teamed up against by established Reddit accounts, that I have to imagine are owned by Stripe. These account have some established reddit history on them, mainly talking about coding in PERL. It&#x27;s a little sus.<p>I too am a little suspicious of anyone who codes in PERL
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lma21将近 3 年前
Yet another story of Stripe holding big sums (yes 3k can be huge for small businesses) with no proper support structure. Consumers must rely on social networks to get some form of reaction.A $74 billion company has no proper support structure. Just wow.
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thiscatis将近 3 年前
Watch the Stripe apologist come out in force soon. They’ll brand you as 100% running a crypto CP arms dealing coke selling dark net platform owner because surely YC darling Stripe would never mess up like this. Truth is they are just horrible.
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davemtl将近 3 年前
And in typical Reddit fashion, the post was removed for bending the sub-reddit rules. It&#x27;s frustrating that a popular and highly upvoted post like this is just _removed_.<p>Anyone have the original content?
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TheRealDunkirk将近 3 年前
This started with Google, but we had years and years of stories just like this about PayPal too. We need regulation to prevent companies from throwing all user-account-related decisions to a neural network, and then not providing a way to dispute its output. YouTube and the copyright cartel is another good example. It&#x27;s ridiculous to have to say this, but this is what you get when you no longer have a democracy (or representative republic) and, instead, have a full-fledged corporatocracy&#x2F;oligarchy enabled by the Citizens United decision. Companies must be forced to staff up to handle the issues that their technology causes. Twitter and its moderation&#x2F;banning&#x2F;cancelation-of-accounts comes to mind as well. You can tell me that they have 10&#x27;s of thousands of people working in this area, but it&#x27;s clearly not enough. I&#x27;m sorry, but FAANG companies all LOVE to brag about how much money they make for their owners. They should be forced to spend some more of it on making sure they address flagrant mistakes in their automation systems.<p>Aaaaalllllllll of that aside, MOST of the time, with these kinds of stories, there&#x27;s usually more to it than is being said.
xyzzy_plugh将近 3 年前
This isn&#x27;t surprising to me, and I don&#x27;t think less of Stripe for doing this. It appears everybody is jumping to conclusions. Saying Stripe is &quot;stealing&quot; is laughable.<p>There is a tremendous amount of fraud abound. Payment service providers like Stripe sit in between businesses and credit card companies, who proxy banks, who proxy customers.<p>Banks are pretty solid, as are credit card companies, so the transitive nature of these transactions means Stripe proxies customers. A significant feature of modern payment processing is the ability to reconcile fraud for either party, but typically these measures are structured in a way to protect the customer.<p>For example, you buy a $3000 computer and the business goes under before they can ship it to you. It&#x27;s likely you can get your money back by calling your credit card company but it&#x27;s not like they&#x27;re being generous. What happens is exactly what is happening here:<p>Money is held until it can be safely cleared without dispute; money is clawed back from merchant bank accounts and held until it can be cleared (there is practically no limit to what can be clawed back out of your merchant bank account).<p>If this makes you uncomfortable, don&#x27;t deal with credit card companies, and only take cash. It doesn&#x27;t matter who your payment processor is, this can and will happen with any of them.<p>I&#x27;m sympathetic to the OP here, but from a business perspective, the fact that this is such a significant event is a red flag. Shit happens -- your credit card could be stolen, you could be robbed, you could be defrauded -- it&#x27;s prudent to have a safety net for when such things occur. And while realistically such safety can be unreasonable to secure, that just signals to me that so much of society is living at the edge of a knife. It&#x27;s easy to be angry at Stripe here, but I believe that&#x27;s misguided.
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xdrosenheim将近 3 年前
Stripe responded to a Twitter post about it, Reddit helped retweeting it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GenosAtHonda&#x2F;status&#x2F;1552588035077726208" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GenosAtHonda&#x2F;status&#x2F;1552588035077726208</a>
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orangepanda将近 3 年前
&gt; You can only email. If you email, you get robots.<p>Their dev support on discord is S-tier, but every now and then some issue has to be moved to email support; where it dies. It always takes months for something to be resolved, if at all.<p>My only consolation is that every other provider is just as terrible.
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kweks将近 3 年前
You can try contacting Edwin ( edwin@stripe.com ) - he&#x27;s often on HN and has unstuck quite a few Stripe issues for me and other HNers.
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ciguy将近 3 年前
Stripe is going the way of PayPal it seems. Many people learned this lesson the hard way with PayPal now they will learn it with Stripe I guess. You have no real recourse when these companies decide to steal your money and their incentives are very much to do so as they get to hang onto it for extended periods.<p>I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a coincidence that this happened as we go into economic downturn and layoffs. Too bad they&#x27;re not a public company, if they were I would be shorting their stock right now.
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vilfredoparet0将近 3 年前
A quote from Patrick Collison from one of the last &quot;HN support threads&quot;:<p>&quot;We actually have an ongoing project to reduce the occurrence of these mistaken rejections by 90% by the end of this year. I think we&#x27;ll succeed at it. (They&#x27;re already down 50% since earlier this year.)&quot;<p>At this point it is obvious that he&#x2F;his PR staff are lying.<p>The only question is: What are some good Stripe alternatives?
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joe4k将近 3 年前
Had a similar issue during lockdown where we had more orders than usual. Stripe kept the money for 3 months. Contacting them for support is a non-existent (robot replies). Hope a competitor is taking notes to all this.
ericpauley将近 3 年前
&gt;You cannot call Stripe. They do not have a phone number.<p>Not sure whether this person was specifically locked out or something, but I&#x27;ve had consistently good experience with Stripe&#x27;s phone support. As they note email (and chat) are a joke, but phone reps are highly knowledgeable and have quickly resolved my issues.
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negamax将近 3 年前
I have no idea how companies like Stripe and to a great extent Revolut made it to forefront of banking. They are Uber of banking industry. And have done shady things. As the time passes and VC money runs out; these companies will implode
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Nitramp将近 3 年前
I think an interesting meta take is the question why payment processors employ these draconic fraud protection mechanisms in the first place.<p>I think it boils down to the prevalence of using simple magnetic stripe credit card payments. While chip-and-PIN or Google&#x2F;Apple pay are of course also subject to fraud, not having even a first factor (pin&#x2F;password&#x2F;fingerprint) makes card copying and theft viable in the first place.<p>I have no data, but I&#x27;d bet that you get substantially less fraud if you only process transactions with a first security factor, and you can probably still improve on that with a second factor (e.g. text message to authorize).<p>As a consumer, I have to deal with declined transaction frequently (I moved which creates a mess for ZIP based &quot;auth&quot;, another cause is using cards outside my home country); I find the whole situation hugely frustrating.
sph将近 3 年前
You either die a promising startup, or live long enough to see yourself become just another Paypal.
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jrs235将近 3 年前
One way to get a response, and a better than 120 days response, from Stripe is to file a complaint with the attorneys general offices of your state and the state that Stripe is incorporated in.
davidkuennen将近 3 年前
I feel this. Today many people got this message from Apple (apparently wrongly): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32260733" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32260733</a> which would&#x27;ve resulted in Apple holding a lot of money from me which is business critical.<p>For payment processing, something like this without a means to appeal quickly shouldn&#x27;t be allowed. It endangers companies and the livelihood of many people.
christkv将近 3 年前
In the EU most countries have a financial sector regulator. If this happens in the EU and a payment provider does not respond contact them as it will light a fire under their seats.
nsmog767将近 3 年前
am I the only person here eagerly scrolling through the comments to see if &quot;pc&quot; chimes in??
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igneo676将近 3 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220728124858&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;tifu&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa230m&#x2F;tifu_by_using_stripe_as_a_payment_processor_for&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220728124858&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit...</a><p>For anyone who is looking for the original story, which has been removed
zxcvbn4038将近 3 年前
If I remember correctly this is actually normal for CC processing, because the transaction is so much higher then usual, they are holding aside the money in case it gets charged back. Not like PayPal where they silently ban the account and money disappears forever, could understand it being pain if your a small business.
graderjs将近 3 年前
This is not my experience of Stripe. I&#x27;ve found their support has always been responsive and awesome over email.
kory将近 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220728105345&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;tifu&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa230m&#x2F;tifu_by_using_stripe_as_a_payment_processor_for&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220728105345&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;tifu...</a>
busymom0将近 3 年前
As someone who’s recently looking into using stripe for a small business, this makes me hesitant. And this isn’t the first time I have read this type of thing about them. Google also does this sort of stuff with canned robot responses for play store developers.
shmde将近 3 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;teddit.net&#x2F;r&#x2F;tifu&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa230m&#x2F;tifu_by_using_stripe_as_a_payment_processor_for&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;teddit.net&#x2F;r&#x2F;tifu&#x2F;comments&#x2F;wa230m&#x2F;tifu_by_using_stri...</a>
a2tech将近 3 年前
This is now on the front page of Reddit. Someone at Stripe PR is going to have a bad morning.
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Traubenfuchs将近 3 年前
Count to three for someone from Stripe appearing here, apologizing and fixing the issue.
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whiddershins将近 3 年前
It’s interesting that most are taking the Reddit post at face value, even though if the transaction were by a fraudster, the fraudster would probably have no compunction about lying on the internet.
virtualmic将近 3 年前
I couldn&#x27;t read the story, as it has been deleted from reddit and maybe I am missing something here, but why don&#x27;t these companies offer reliable one-time human support for a suitable fee?
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whiddershins将近 3 年前
I’ve heard stories like this about PayPal, I have a friend who claimed Chase Bank bankrupted his business in the 90s …<p>I’m thinking all financial players sometimes do stuff like this?
ryanbrunner将近 3 年前
I&#x27;ve definitely never encountered many automated responses to their e-mail support. Definitely I&#x27;ve hit support people who don&#x27;t know much beyond basic troubleshooting, and it&#x27;s pretty much impossible to get escalated to the point where you&#x27;re talking directly to a dev through support@, but generally not canned responses.<p>(That might be based on our usage maybe, we&#x27;re a OK sized Connect partner)
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FpUser将近 3 年前
Maybe bunch of small claim court cases could straighten them out? If Stripe did something like that to me I would certainly pursue this. My own experience is - I have a web store that sells my software products (we use both PayPal and Stripe) for many years. Size of transaction ranges from $10 up to $7000 (as far as I remember) So far there were no any significand holds &#x2F; delays.
stef25将近 3 年前
FWIW it&#x27;s totally possible to talk to someone at Stripe. We got someone on the line and successfully negotiated their fees.<p>We&#x27;re now using a 2nd payment processor that handles a type of payment unavailable at Stripe and they&#x27;re just garbage compared to Stripe&#x27;s backend &#x2F; control panel system, which is phenomenally.<p>Excellent company as far as I&#x27;m concerned.
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thallium205将近 3 年前
It&#x27;s called placing a reserve on the account and it is something any payment processor will do to a merchant account.
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KingOfCoders将近 3 年前
Fintech startup law: Every payment provider is becoming PayPal due to risk and regulatory pressure.
peanuty1将近 3 年前
I recommend Square, it works great for my mom&#x27;s business. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.squareup.com&#x2F;reference&#x2F;square&#x2F;payments-api" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.squareup.com&#x2F;reference&#x2F;square&#x2F;payments-api</a>
awinter-py将近 3 年前
&gt; used their twisted tos to steal three thousand<p>&gt; you cannot call stripe ... the robots respond<p>solid problem statement on what next gen tos tools need to solve <i>and also</i> great alliteration in here
sleepyhead将近 3 年前
&quot;You cannot call Stripe&quot;<p>Ironic since Stripe requires a phone number to have an account and that phone number is required to be stated on the transaction receipt.
ellieh将近 3 年前
Does anyone have any suggestions of what to use instead? Lots of &quot;don&#x27;t use Stripe&quot;, but I&#x27;d love to know what the alternatives are!
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User23将近 3 年前
More and more it feels like the legal department is the only reliable way to get in touch with a human being. This sounds like a job for small claims.
andai将近 3 年前
Post was removed, here is a snapshot<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;a3GWU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;a3GWU</a>
Apreche将近 3 年前
This is a case for the state attorney general (or equivalent legal authority wherever this person lives).
arein3将近 3 年前
A solution could be to have a backup account for cases like this
JonathanBeuys将近 3 年前
How much does Stripe charge for this service?<p>Say you are a vendor who sells 1000 products a month for $100 each. So $100,000 in monthly revenue, split into 1000 payments.<p>How much would you pay to Stripe per month?<p>And how quickly can you move incoming payments away from Stripe?
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sizzle将近 3 年前
OP’s post was deleted, can anyone share what they wrote?
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s3p将近 3 年前
The post was removed. Anyone have a cached copy?
tossl568将近 3 年前
And they say Bitcoin has no use case
slim将近 3 年前
removed. anyone got a cached copy?
pier25将近 3 年前
And Reddit mods removed it...
joshstrange将近 3 年前
So this seems like a good time to tell my Stripe story. Let me preface this by saying I attempted to move to a different card processor late last year&#x2F;early this year and despite 100+ hours of coding to fully integrate with them (and add features that were missing compared to our Stripe integration) I had to drop them due to what can only be described as lies about their rates (yes, I should have gotten this in writing instead of just over the phone but I was naive). All that said I had &lt;1 week to switch back to Stripe before preorders started for the event and it was a breeze. Stripe has it&#x27;s problems but I still think they are the best game in town.<p>Now for my Stripe issue. Around the time I dropped the other payment processor I bought some Stripe M2 readers (Part of &quot;Stripe Terminal&quot; for in-person payments). At the same time I purchased a &quot;Stripe Terminal Test Card&quot; to use in the test environment. They have a simulated reader but I always prefer to use the same hardware as production to get a better feel for how it all works.<p>The readers arrived and so did the card but for some reason I could not get the card to read, I kept getting back an error code of &quot;6&quot; [0] telling me that the card could not be read. If I scanned a real card it would scan and then fail when trying to auth the payment (understandable, I was in the &quot;test&quot; environment) but to me this proved the reader was working. I did some testing in &quot;live&quot; and all my cards were read&#x2F;charged without issue. I opened a ticket with Stripe on May 6th.<p>I had a similar &quot;new rep every message&quot; as the person in this Reddit post and my ticket would often go days&#x2F;weeks without response (other than me begging for help). I followed every single instruction they sent, I provided all the debug info they asked for, I shot 4+ videos of the issue, nothing. Around June 2nd (almost a month after starting this process) I complained on Twitter and Stripe Support reached out (this did nothing, it might have gotten me a useless reply on the ticket but no real help). A Stripe employee also reached out directly to me via DM and we started an email conversation resulting in them just sending me 5 Stripe Test Cards to see if maybe it was just my card that was broken. About the same time Stripe sent another M2 reader and another Test Card (Note: in the interim I bought 16 readers for my event and had tried multiple of them to no avail, I was pretty sure it wasn&#x27;t a problem with the reader and told them as much).<p>I got all the new hardware and recorded a long video of me testing 3 M2 readers and 5 Stripe Test cards in every combination 3 (readers) x 5 (cards) x 2 (methods, dip&#x2F;tap). I used their sample app and their sample backend (a ruby app running in a docker container) just to rule out any of my code. Same error every single time.<p>I reported my results to both the employee and my support ticket and got no help. Support didn&#x27;t reply, the employee talked about sending me card they had on their desk that they knew worked but that conversation petered out and I didn&#x27;t want to bug someone who was going out of their way to help me. 10+ days would go by and I&#x27;d beg and plead for help in my support ticket with no reply, this repeated multiple times.<p>Finally, on July 25th, 3 days ago, almost 3 months after starting this journey, Stripe replied to my ticket:<p>&gt; We have figured out that some of our Terminal physical test card inventory did not work.<p>No. Fucking. Shit. This is something I suggested about a million times. All my cards had the same serial&#x2F;batch&#x2F;something number on the back and I had speculated it could be a bad batch and asked them to send me an opened&#x2F;used card that they knew worked and&#x2F;or check the number on a working card, they ignored all of this.<p>They sent me 3 replacement cards and they sit next to me right now on my desk, unopened. My event is in 2 days and I don&#x27;t have the time&#x2F;energy to test them right now. All my energy is on testing the full setup on production but I might lose my mind if these are broken as well. My curiosity just got the better of me and I opened a card and the numbers on the back are different so that gives me some hope (all 7 cards I got from Support&#x2F;buying myself had the same number).<p>This is only 1 instance of shitty Stripe support, I have 2 others that I won&#x27;t get into right now. I still love their docs&#x2F;sdk&#x2F;dashboard but I really wish their support was better.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stripe.dev&#x2F;stripe-terminal-ios&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Enums&#x2F;SCPReaderDisplayMessage.html#&#x2F;c:@E@SCPReaderDisplayMessage@SCPReaderDisplayMessageTryAnotherReadMethod" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stripe.dev&#x2F;stripe-terminal-ios&#x2F;docs&#x2F;Enums&#x2F;SCPReaderD...</a>
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blairanderson将近 3 年前
Alternatively, I use Stripe as a payment processor for my small business and it works flawlessly.
psyfi将近 3 年前
Take them to attribution?
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factsaresacred将近 3 年前
The post was deleted by the subreddit moderators so I hope HN don&#x27;t mind me reposting it here:<p>&gt; I used Stripe for about a year to run a small cell phone store in Denver, CO area. In the case of my business, I never had an issue processing my small payments for cell phones, ranging from a couple hundred dollars up to $1000. All of a sudden, we run a charge for $3300 because our primary processor in my business was down, and we had a large transaction to fulfill. Stripe flagged the transaction and is now holding the money from me for &quot;at least 120 days&quot;<p>&gt; It is one thing to say this is a red flag, fine... I hear you... no problem. a transaction multiple times the size... sure. I get it. However A normal payment processor would then query you for documents authorizing the charge, bank statements, financial statements, some sort of procedure to remedy the issue. Stripe provides NO SUCH METHOD TO RESOLVE these issues.<p>&gt; I am concerned because there are reports of Stripe continuing to add &quot;30 days&quot; to the reserve hold past the initial 120 days, indefinitely. One article detailed a hold that was surpassing its 240th day. Stripe is taking advantage of a lack of regulation in this space to steal small merchant&#x27;s large transactions. They see a big, outlier transaction and lick their chops, hiding behind KYC and &quot;Fraud prevention&quot; To hold your money indefinitely.<p>&gt; You cannot call Stripe. They do not have a phone number. Their support page on their website has Phone call and messaging grayed out. You can only email. If you email, you get robots. Even in the same email thread, a different &quot;agent&quot; (with a different name and everything) answers each time with not prior knowledge of your history. There are no ticket numbers to your support request; nothing tracking it. The robots respond with what is quite obviously a template response.<p>&gt; If you do a little bit of research about this topic, you immediately see this is a prevailing issue. Reports of Stripe taking up to $31,000 are all over the internet! Again, Stripe gives no manner to remedy this. There is NO ONE you can call. NO ONE you can talk to. More disconcerting, it seems that anyone who posts about this issue on reddit gets downvoted and teamed up against by established Reddit accounts, that I have to imagine are owned by Stripe. These account have some established reddit history on them, mainly talking about coding in PERL. It&#x27;s a little sus. In my case, I sent my EIN letter, Sales Tax Receipt, Articles of Org, Statement of Trade Name, Certificate of Good Standing, Bank Statements, Website links, Signed transaction receipts, and anything I could think of to Stripe to review. I just received robot-responses; never got anything cleared up.<p>&gt; I challenge reddit to connect me to a human being at Stripe that can tell me how to resolve the issue. I&#x27;m convinced It can&#x27;t be done. This is a big problem and should be brought to the attention of small business owners, and regulators!<p>&gt; TL;DR : I used Stripe to process my business transactions. They saw a large transaction come through and used their twisted TOS to steal $3,000 from my small business. They use gray area contract loopholes to be able to hold your money from you indefinitely. While you lose out on your working capital and ROI, they collect free interest on your money; potentially never returning it.
schnebbau将近 3 年前
As Stripe keeps growing this seems to be a more recurring problem, as it seems to be with most companies that eventually get too big to care about the little guy.<p>Which leads to my question: is there a smaller alternative similar to the Stripe of five years ago which might appreciate our business more?
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balentio将近 3 年前
I wrote an article on this last year and submitted it here and got down voted into the lower levels of Hacker News hell. Later, of course, someone else has a similar experience with Stripe, and now everybody is all about it. It gets a frustrating trying to talk to tech people sometimes. I never know if they are going to be a shill mafia or actually consider the evidence.
whatisweb3将近 3 年前
Hopefully making enough noise on HN and social media will help your case move quickly. That appears to be the only way to get a response these days.<p>Maybe one day non-custodial and permissionless payment rails will prevent this situation, for those services that choose to use it. Shame that HN is so polarized about blockchain that they refuse to entertain the idea.
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