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End of the Machinery Game Engine

209 点作者 eigenbom将近 3 年前
The Machinery game engine seems terminated. From email:<p>Thanks so much for supporting The Machinery.<p>Unfortunately, we’ve reached a point where it’s no longer possible for us to continue in the current direction. Per Section 14 of the End User License Agreement, the development of The Machinery will cease, we will no longer offer GitHub access, all licenses are terminated as of 14 days after the date of this notice, and you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries. You will receive a full refund of your annual license payment through Gumroad.<p>We really appreciated you being a part of the Our Machinery Community. We hope we have been helpful in some way to your development needs.<p>-Our Machinery

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jwitthuhn将近 3 年前
This looks pretty shady.<p>The current EULA on the website includes a bit that says they can terminate your license and ask you to delete all source and binaries entirely at their discretion[1].<p>The latest copy on the wayback machine from May does not have that bit.[2]<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;eula.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;eula.html</a> 2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220529230958&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;eula.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220529230958&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachin...</a><p>So they used the &#x27;we can update the eula at any time at our discretion&#x27; clause to add a &#x27;we can tell you to delete your source and binaries&#x27; clause and then immediately invoked it.
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jsheard将近 3 年前
Ceasing development is one thing, rug pulling licensees by demanding they delete the framework they&#x27;ve built their projects on is another thing entirely. The hell happened at Our Machinery?<p>The Machinery was a young engine but it had pedigree as the spiritual successor to Bitsquid, which did ship in a number of commercial games until it was killed by Autodesk after they acquired it. The main developers went on to found Our Machinery.
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josephcsible将近 3 年前
Hopefully this will be a lesson that proprietary licenses subject you to rug pulls with no recourse, which FOSS licenses protect you from. Had Machinery been FOSS, then you could at least still keep using the last version of the engine that they did release, and even fork it to continue development yourself.
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echelon将近 3 年前
&gt; all licenses are terminated as of 14 days after the date of this notice, and you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries<p>If I had invested a year into building a game on their engine, and they told me to <i>delete my game</i>, I would sue. This is serious monetary harm being inflicted upon developers.<p>If they&#x27;re going to drop the engine as a product, I would expect a perpetual &quot;same-version, no further support&quot; license offered to existing users. That&#x27;s the bare minimum these folks could do.<p>This way of handling things is screwing over anyone that bet their project on the engine in the biggest way possible. It is not trivial to change engines while in flight. They&#x27;re asking people to do a complete rewrite.<p>And if they&#x27;re really closing up shop, why not release the engine as open source? Are they getting bought out silently?<p>Makes no sense.
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KronisLV将近 3 年前
&gt; ...you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries.<p>This is pretty weird.<p>Then again, in regards to the engine itself dying, I feel like this is inevitable for many of the projects out there. For example, there was the Xenko engine which was later renamed to Stride: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stride3d.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stride3d.net&#x2F;</a><p>It&#x27;s actually a nice project, has lots of great features and feels like it <i>should</i> be a more open alternative to Unity, whilst being similarly easy to use. However, compare the attention it is getting in comparison to something like Godot:<p><pre><code> - https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;stride3d&#x2F;stride - https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;godotengine&#x2F;godot </code></pre> On OpenCollective, Stride has an estimated annual budget of around 12k USD, whereas Godot gets around 15k USD per month on Patreon. Stride has a bit under 100 contributors, Godot has almost 2000. Godot gets hype on various game development subreddits regularly, yet Stride gets no such love.<p>Ergo, it&#x27;s probably pretty easy to draw a trajectory of what the next 10 years might bring for either, with one probably getting more features and development and becoming a mainstay of the indie scene, when compared to the other.<p>But the great thing is that if whatever engine you use has an open license, you cannot have it be taken away from you (as long as you have all of the actual executables and don&#x27;t depend on external services).
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MikeBVaughn将近 3 年前
&quot;... all licenses are terminated as of 14 days after the date of this notice, and you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries.&quot;<p>&quot;We hope we have been helpful in some way to your development needs.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s a load-bearing &quot;some way,&quot; if I&#x27;ve ever seen one.
faeranne将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m sorry, is this in any way legal? Did they just tell people to <i>delete their games?</i> Like... I&#x27;m pretty sure this kind of rug pull would destroy any company that relies on this engine. 14 days for a full re-write is insane.
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myrryr将近 3 年前
I&#x27;m guessing copyright or patent issues. That would explain their &quot;you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries.&quot;
voakbasda将近 3 年前
How do these developers ever expect to be taken seriously again? This is a reputation killer; no one should ever trust them.
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dasz将近 3 年前
I&#x27;d be interested in the backstory to this. (Like everyone else I guess)<p>Seems like I dodged a bullet. I was looking at this a few months ago. Decided to play with love2d instead. Did a few projects in it. Then I got into unreal engine. A further distraction via cryengine used up the remainder of my time. I was about to get into the machinery in September.<p>Wow. Godot was to be October. So yeah. Bring that forwards.<p>That EULA is likely a bad idea in general. It&#x27;s also most likely against the law in some jurisdictions. The backstory would be of interest mainly for probably avoiding these Devs in future if there wasn&#x27;t a good reason for the debacle. Sour taste all round.
seanstrom将近 3 年前
For a moment I thought this was my fault because I had just asked for a free academic license, and somehow that would be the final straw :(<p>I was very excited to start reading the C code and was hoping a Nim port would be possible. Sad to hear I’m this late to the party because now I can’t even enjoy the blog posts.
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999900000999将近 3 年前
Well, I can&#x27;t wait for Godot 4 + C# now.<p>After trying Godot 3.5, it felt like an inferior Unity.<p>The 4 alpha feels great.<p>My big fear with Unity isn&#x27;t a total collapse, but gradual suckification of the engine. For now it&#x27;s still the easiest way to build amazing games, but things are changing.<p>I&#x27;d be surprised if Godot or another FOSS engine wasn&#x27;t dominant by 2025, or at the very least viewed as Blender is compared to Maya.
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rwbt将近 3 年前
Did they get acquired by some big company? Their blogposts always felt like they want to be acqui-hired.
stephc_int13将近 3 年前
This is sad, I&#x27;ve been following their work for some time and I think they were onto something, many good design ideas, very clean albeit a bit verbose sometimes.<p>I&#x27;d like to know what is the underlying issue? Disagreement between founders? Acquisition? Legal problem? Not enough funding? Not enough customers?
charcircuit将近 3 年前
So everyone&#x27;s games using it will need to be taken down too? That is so strange.
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scott_siskind将近 3 年前
Anyone got a mirror of a release zip (such as <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;releases&#x2F;2022.5&#x2F;the-machinery-2022.5.a-linux.zip" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;releases&#x2F;2022.5&#x2F;the-machinery-2022....</a> ) ?
CraftingLinks将近 3 年前
Probably not the way they hoped to reach HN front page...<p>Having followed the project from the beginning, the blog, the podcast: I hope they (the people) are ok.
alajmo将近 3 年前
For those interested in the blog posts and other technical information about the engine they shared with the public, check out:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.ourmachinery.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.ourmachinery.com&#x2F;</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220529231010&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachinery.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20220529231010&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourmachine...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;OurMachinery&#x2F;themachinery-books" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;OurMachinery&#x2F;themachinery-books</a>
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userbinator将近 3 年前
IANAL but that doesn&#x27;t sound like it would be enforceable at all. Consider that even in the case of something like a (physical) product recall, it would not be legal for them to break into your house to take them back.
mathgladiator将近 3 年前
Holy shit, what madness is this.<p>On the list of things to worry about, this was always like #100. #1 was a lack of updates, but a rug pull? I mean, what the hell?
enqk将近 3 年前
This only makes sense if they got into legal problems with a powerful entity which would have raised issues with software patents or copyright on the Our Machinery engine.<p>Presumably also with some sort of NDA attached to it?
nudpiedo将近 3 年前
what happened and what direction is going to take the project from now on? You know, the web page has barely any links at all from a product which seems it was good, if it ever was something else than a landing page.<p>P.D. add &quot;Tell HN:&quot; to the title or a link to the web page
snickerbockers将近 3 年前
Wtf is&#x2F;was &quot;the machinery&quot;?
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ivraatiems将近 3 年前
Can we see a screenshot or some other confirmation that this happened?<p>Not saying it didn&#x27;t, but it&#x27;d be a great way to tank a competitor&#x27;s business if it were fake. I wanna be sure before I get a pitchfork out.<p>To the extent this is legitimate, it definitely seems like grounds for a lawsuit. IANAL, so can&#x27;t say if it&#x27;d succeed, but I am not convinced the last-minute EULA change would save them.
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japhib将近 3 年前
Was this a hack?