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PINE64 has let its community down

97 点作者 Bl4ckb0ne超过 2 年前

11 条评论

nominusllc超过 2 年前
Is drew pursuing being a pundit more these days? He always had a certain propensity for commentary, but it was usually about projects, but now seems to be more general commentary. This reads more like a disclaimer of someone who just saw the uproar around Pine64 and said &quot;oh crap, I recommended those. better do some intellectual damage control&quot;.<p>I like you drew, and I pay for your products. I make this post with a sincere face, please do the moves that got you to the dance.
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macintux超过 2 年前
Related discussion yesterday: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32494659" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32494659</a>
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silisili超过 2 年前
Manjaro is and always has been a joke. I won&#x27;t even consider PINE products given their relationship...it completely tarnished any reputation they may have had.
koinedad超过 2 年前
I hope this turns around, was looking forward to a new class of phone&#x2F;tablets
emptyparadise超过 2 年前
What alternatives do we have? Don&#x27;t mean this as a dismissal, genuinely want to know more about the state of open source hardware.
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shp0ngle超过 2 年前
I write it as someone who does not follow this space…<p>…does “letting community down” matters? The phones and the open source seems to be open, can’t you just… put your own OS on there or whatever?
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Havoc超过 2 年前
On a more positive note - I’m delighted with my new pinecil soldering iron.<p>Oh and fun fact - the power bricks of (some) old Asus laptop are the right connector and voltage and wattage.
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chylat超过 2 年前
I don&#x27;t feel let down by Pine64.<p>Pine64 produces affordable hardware that&#x27;s easily hackable, and with more open schematics than most.<p>Pine64 fund a great community manager to collate and collaborate with the community.<p>Without Pine64, I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;d have made as much progress as we have.<p>At this rate, we risk driving companies away from communities.
rjsw超过 2 年前
My thoughts after the discussion yesterday are that I&#x27;m going to open up the case of a PineBook Pro or PinePhone Pro anyway so it isn&#x27;t a big deal to have to swap the eMMC module to another machine to write it. I can live with not being able to boot them from SD.
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megous超过 2 年前
This seems way overblown, from pretty much all perspectives.<p>1) Listening to community. People can suggest all kinds of conflicting things, and you just can&#x27;t satisfy everyone. My experience is that many of my HW modification suggestions were listened to, even some I&#x27;d expect the Pine64 might have found a bit frivolous, like desire to have some GPIO exposed as easily accessible solderable pads on the Pinephone keyboard&#x27;s PCB, so that I can mod the keyboard later on and add some buttons to the bottom side of it, etc. I got some help with aquiring of information about various chips, that I requested, etc. I didn&#x27;t get everything I wanted. Life is hard I guess. OTOH, Pine64 probably did not listen to some other HW mod suggestions that I have participated in group thinking about in the chats.<p>I think those were the mods that would require more risky redesign, like sugestion to split DC-IN and USB-IN on the Original Pinephone PMIC to better support the keyboard, or suggestions to redesign battery charging circuitry in Pinebook Pro, so that drivers can limit input current to be able to follow the Type-C&#x2F;PD specs more closly.<p>These are risky to follow from us randos on the internet. Even simple suggestions are risky to follow, even if they are correct! Take the addition of diode to prevent some issues with the pinephone keyboard&#x27;s charging circuitry. The suggestion was followed, but mistakes were made in the long chain that engineering the change takes, and the diode was placed incorrectly and prevented charging the keyboard completely.<p>2) Bootloader&#x2F;SPI thing. Yeah it&#x27;s unpleasant for distros to have to include U-Boot as part of the distro image, especially when things are in flux and fixing bootloader is required for fixing things in general, too, and you have to track non-mainline patches, because Pro support can&#x27;t be mainlined, yet.<p>So now there&#x27;s Tow-Boot to come to the rescue as bit of a center of gravity for U-Boot development&#x2F;support. Except that it&#x27;s not really that maintained either with last patches added like 6 months ago <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Tow-Boot&#x2F;Tow-Boot&#x2F;tree&#x2F;released&#x2F;boards&#x2F;pine64-pinephonePro" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Tow-Boot&#x2F;Tow-Boot&#x2F;tree&#x2F;released&#x2F;boards&#x2F;pi...</a> despite persistent issues with Pinephone Pro bootlooping, because bootloader allows boot when there&#x27;s not enough energy in the battery. Some hack patches are available, but not included. Etc.<p>Also because things are in flux, allowing users to combine arbitrary U-Boot with arbitrary kernel version can lead to all kind of fun things, like hard to explain overheating of the phone, because kernel enabled cpuidle support, and U-Boot version in SPI lacks it and similar things.<p>3) Diversity&#x2F;monoculture angle<p>Focing Tow-Boot can easily be construed as just another thing that Pine64 is forcing on users by default, too. Pinephone&#x2F;pinephone pro has bootloader diversity, with alternative bootloaders being much better for users in several aspects (like not having charging or bootloop issues, or having multi-boot functionality or GUI) and maybe worse in others. So on one hand Drew is arguing that there&#x27;s monoculture in distros, but wants to force monoculture in bootloader, using a barely maintained&#x2F;developed one.<p>In the end, the most important thing is that there&#x27;s not technical lockdown (secure boot not enabled). Pine64 has no say in what user can flash or not. Escaping the default bootloader is as easy as booting the preloaded Manjaro and erasing it from SPI and eMMC. The phone or pinebook will then boot whatever user wants to boot from SD card.
cat_plus_plus超过 2 年前
I have no ties to these people, but say after a pandemic and recession, a corner restaurant raises prices, drops your favorite dish and the rest come in smaller portions and don&#x27;t taste as good. Would you shout that they let community down and demand an apology, or would you just accept that running a small business is hard and many don&#x27;t make it, or fail to cater to any customer. Non-Android Linux phone is already a niche, your own distro is niche of a niche, like vegan gluten free keto dishes. Maybe they just can&#x27;t figure out how to pay for such support rather than being malicious jerks? Even tech giants drop features all the time
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