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There were almost two internets. Then, the CIA destroyed one

110 点作者 thereare5lights超过 2 年前

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deepdriver超过 2 年前
This is a series of video essays about Chile&#x27;s Project CyberSyn:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn</a><p>Link title massively overreaches. Cybersyn was a few hundred telex machines, aka glorified telegraphs, and one computer that aggregated daily economic statistics. It was in no way comparable to ARPANET or the Internet. The project was an interesting yet abortive effort at top-down socialist economic management. Since it never had a chance to succeed or fail on its own merits, and also since it had a really swanky-looking operations room, it&#x27;s been the subject of a boatload of techno-utopian projection. Here are reflections by someone who was directly involved:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;290742382_Cybernetics_of_Governance_The_Cybersyn_Project_1971-1973" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;publication&#x2F;290742382_Cyberneti...</a><p>&gt;The emphasis of these reflections is in contrasting its rather limited achievements with its vision and relevance for our societies today. Its claims were large; it was presented as a project that achieved important results in a short period of time. The paper compares its actuality with these claims.
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AlbertCory超过 2 年前
I have to point out the public telephone company one in France: the Minitel [1]. This really <i>could</i> have achieved global interconnectivity, but for the stupidity of telephone companies.<p>Minitel was a terminal you could rent from the phone company, and its original intent was to reduce the need for human information operators. It was available in 1982. But it grew to have all sorts of services on it, even a dating service.<p>It wasn&#x27;t a &quot;fraction of a fraction of a fraction&quot; of the population, either - there were millions in use. I saw one in 1989. I even mention Minitel in The Big Bucks (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.albertcory.io&#x2F;the-big-bucks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.albertcory.io&#x2F;the-big-bucks</a>), only mildly satirically.<p>They &quot;solved&quot; the money problem: the charges would appear on your monthly phone bill. The execs were actually <i>embarrassed</i> that there were things like dating services -- that wasn&#x27;t their plan at all.<p>So what do I mean by &quot;the stupidity of telephone companies&quot;? All the other phone companies in the world, who were <i>already connected</i> both physically and administratively (through CCITT) could have easily jumped on it and made their systems interoperate. They already did through phone calls and payments between each other.<p>They didn&#x27;t see it, or if they did, they let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There were infinitely many papers on the &quot;proper&quot; way to do &quot;videotex.&quot;<p>Would a global &quot;internet&quot; run by the phone companies be better than what we have? Discuss.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history-computer.com&#x2F;minitel&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history-computer.com&#x2F;minitel&#x2F;</a>
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hyperman1超过 2 年前
One thing I learned from Cliff Stoll&#x27;s the cuckoo&#x27;s egg is that the internet was far from the only computer network. Every country was building one or more networks. There was some kind of cambrian explosion of network technologys going on.<p>What the internet did was more subtle, but far more important: It standardized the technology, connecting these networks. Instead of tons of little private network, we got 1 global net owned by nobody.<p>I have no problem believing chile had one of these little private networks.
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DonHopkins超过 2 年前
The most horrifying thing about the &quot;Computer-generated image of Project CyberSyn operations room&quot; on the Project Cybersyn Wikipedia page is that they&#x27;re displaying the lyrics of RMS&#x27;s Free Software Song (which he wrote in 1991) on the fake monitors in the &quot;Close Up of the Data Feed&quot;:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn#&#x2F;media&#x2F;File:CyberSyn-render-102.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn#&#x2F;media&#x2F;File:C...</a><p><pre><code> SHARE THE SOFTWARE ## YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE ## HACKER YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE HACKER YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE JOIN US NOW ## JOIN US NOW } } #### } #### YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE } JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE #### HACKER } #### } } ## YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE JOIN US NOW ## HACKER ## YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE ## HACKER ## JOIN US NOW ## YOU&#x27;LL BE FREE ## HACKER </code></pre> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;music&#x2F;free-software-song.en.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;music&#x2F;free-software-song.en.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;music&#x2F;writing-fs-song.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;music&#x2F;writing-fs-song.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn</a><p>The CyberSyn multimedia &quot;reconstruction&quot;:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20070716014045&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cybersyn.cl&#x2F;ingles&#x2F;cybersyn&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20070716014045&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cybers...</a>
jasonvorhe超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m willing to bet that this video is more informative that the ones done by Mashable: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RJLA2_Ho7X0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;RJLA2_Ho7X0</a>
fweimer超过 2 年前
Eden Medina&#x27;s <i>Cybernetic Revolutionaries</i> is a good resource on this topic.<p>The way it worked beginning in the 80s was that once you had your local in-country research network, you eventually felt compelled to hook it up to NSFNET (maybe after starting out with an email gateway into ARPANET&#x2F;CSNET). So it&#x27;s likely that there would have been just one Internet anyway.
a-dub超过 2 年前
lol at the fake shape buttons on the chairs.
thrown_22超过 2 年前
Does anyone actually have details about the project?<p>Skimming the wikipage <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Project_Cybersyn</a> the networking side of things is rather primitive: a single master node talking to a number of child nodes with no other inter node communication. And a lot of software build in the master node to review what is happening in the child nodes. Nothing mentioned packets, routing, or any of the other more interesting bits of what made the original internet different.<p>Down the wikihole: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;OGAS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;OGAS</a> seems like the arpanet not taken, 10 years before arpanet with the same design goals of inter node communication.
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