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Bailout U. - A college degree certainly doesn't mean what it used to.

28 点作者 adrianscott超过 13 年前

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tsunamifury超过 13 年前
I know there is a pretty strong superiority complex here pertaining to cs and engineering degrees, and for good reason, you are in demand. That however does not equate to the assumption that all people should get cs or engineering degrees.<p>For example, my girlfriend and I both having writing degrees and make a six figure income each. We both know how to script, direct media production and do a variety of things related to technology production -- things we would not have learned with a cs degree. We focus on, as jobs put it, the intersection of the liberal arts and technology. I produce apps on the side that help teach writing and logic for students.<p>To be perfectly honest, at work we often spend our time directing cs and engineering majors who "don't get it" and never take the human interface, overall purpose, or business and social impact of the product into account. But we don't insult them, because we respect that they are very smart people who focus on other complex problems.
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ComputerGuru超过 13 年前
The thing I don't get is, when we were growing up (I'm from this generation of college grads), we <i>knew</i> that a humanities degree was utterly useless. Didn't everyone?<p>We were always told that a humanities degree was just fluff, liberal arts degrees were real degrees but you could only work as a teacher with them, and science/professional (such as engineering, medicine, law, etc.) were the only degrees that would convert to money.<p>It's nothing <i>new</i> but reading this article, you'd think we only just discovered this?
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_delirium超过 13 年前
I'm sympathetic to this viewpoint (though I think some of the criticisms are over-simplified), and have read a dozen or so articles on the subject. One pops up on HN every 3-4 weeks.<p>So, I'm baffled as to why this particular article exists. What does this add besides a kind of half-assed recycling of the same articles every journalist has been writing? It's not even a particularly analytical or insightful spin on the topic, just the same stuff we've read about many times: college degrees are expensive, may not guarantee you well-paid employment, may not be worth the cost. I thought that was the <i>lead-in</i> to the article, setting the tone with a quick recapitulation of what we've already read elsewhere, but then... the article ended and there wasn't anything else.
teyc超过 13 年前
I'm 42. I've lived long enough to see mining engineers unemployed (they're hot now); aeronautics engineers working as tourist guides; a scientist who helped somebody win a Nobel prize working odd jobs; doctors doing menial work <a href="http://www.adtoa.org/index.pl?page=468" rel="nofollow">http://www.adtoa.org/index.pl?page=468</a> , and post-dotcom engineers who moved back in with their parents.<p>Do not for any moment think that a hard technical field is necessarily superior. What we study and how we fare is actually an adaptive feature. Just as natural selection isn't about survival of the fittest, rather survival of the best adapted; whether some one is employed or not is a not function of whether they studied "hard" skills or not, but rather whether their skills are adapted to present economic conditions.<p>Unfortunately, the economy is fickle. Enjoy your time in the sun, and I hope it lasts long.
flacon超过 13 年前
I have a social science degree from UC Berkeley and am a self-taught programmer / Entrepreneur. I currently work as a Senior Software Developer. The best programmers I have worked with over 7 years have not been comp sci / engineering majors, while most of the mediocre programmers I have worked with have a degree in CS or MIS - totally anecdotal I know, but thats been my experience.<p>To a certain extent, what you study in college and what you eventually pursue as a career are generally not the same. Anyone with more than a few years in the field will understand that. Experience trumps a degree after 2-3 out in the field and you can set your own course.<p>Feel free to disagree, just let me know how many years of work experience you have.
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Tycho超过 13 年前
We don't need degrees anymore. You can learn stuff off the internet.
ryanschmidt超过 13 年前
Couldn't agree more