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Art is Fundamentally Social (2021)

48 点作者 lnyan超过 2 年前

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fjfaase超过 2 年前
Not all artists are extroverts in the sense that they want to communicate some feeling or some emotions. Some artists are introverts who create art for themselves, who are more interested in the visual effects of colours, lines and shapes, than what it does to others.<p>Take for example the Dutch artist Peter Struycken, who started as a classical scholed artist, but who in the late sixties used a computer program developed by Stan Tempelaars to randomly select certain patterns instead of rolling some dices by himself. He was interested in the effects of selecting different distributions of patterns. From these experiments he created eight works consisting of black and white squares. These can be found at: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pstruycken.nl&#x2F;EnSKS.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pstruycken.nl&#x2F;EnSKS.html</a><p>He since continued using computer programs, some developed by himself, but also by others who were more skilled to write programs. For his last sequence of works, which is all about finding a balanced set of colours, he only used a program to find a random distribtion for the squares to avoid any distraction from shapes and&#x2F;or patterns. It seems he is primary fasinated by colours and their interaction. He has no intention to express any emotions or display his craftmanship. He does like openings of exhibitions of his works. I also get the idea that most visitors do not understand his ideas behind his art works. I get the impression that he has a rather scientific approach to make these art works.<p>And one could argue that for that reason he is not an artist, but he has been able to live from his autonomous works and commissions.
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jack_riminton超过 2 年前
I fundamentally disagree with the premise that all art is social<p>Kurt Vonnegut expressed this better than I ever could in a letter to schoolkids, in it he persuaded them to write a poem then tear it into pieces without showing anyone.. &quot;you&#x27;ll find that you&#x27;ve already been gloriously rewarded for your poem. You have experienced becoming&quot;<p>Full letter here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;highexistence.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;10536532984_f44c3736db_o.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;highexistence.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2016&#x2F;04&#x2F;1053653...</a><p>Further evidence is the &#x27;outsider artists&#x27; who never show their art to anyone and are only discovered on their death
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nonrandomstring超过 2 年前
&gt; Art is Fundamentally Social ... I suspect that this view could be useful for understanding other new phenomena as well.<p>And old ones.<p>There&#x27;s a reason Donald Knuth titled his lifelong works &quot;The Art of Computer Programming&quot;.<p>Having worked in the digital arts and seen the horizons - the staggering enormity of sheer possibility still only in its infancy - what troubles me about the industrialisation of code, not just centralised big-tech and disposable software &quot;engineering&quot; but the lockstep conformity of its cultural product, is what we have lost by forgetting that what we do as hackers is also Art.
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Hercuros超过 2 年前
I am personally not a big believer in the idea that art is just a means to an end (even if that end is something we consider very valuable). This article uses the words &quot;purpose&quot; and &quot;goal&quot; a lot, and it is that aspect that I disagree with, although I would agree that art is phenomenon that can only be considered properly inside of its social context.<p>That is, saying that a painting is just a tool for the painter to evoke certain emotions or experiences in the viewer (or social goals for the painter, like wealth and status), just as a hammer is a tool for driving nails into wood, is to reduce the painting to a mere instrument.<p>Art is meaningful to people, and I think that cannot be reduced to art being just a goal-directed tool we use to manipulate&#x2F;control the world or people around us.
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rikroots超过 2 年前
I have a lot of sympathy with this article&#x27;s main point of view, that art has has its roots in the biological evolution of the human species. The author references a book by Denis Dutton - The Art Instinct: Beauty, Pleasure, &amp; Human Evolution[1] - where Dutton argues that art is an evolutionary trait, and is shaped by natural selection. That book was published in 2010; I wrote a (short) article in 2007 along very similar lines in an attempt to explain why poetry exists in every human language[2] - it&#x27;s good to find out that I&#x27;m not alone in having such an outrageous belief!<p>The second half of the article, on how computer-generated art fits into the art-is-fundamentally-social equation ... I currently have no definitive opinion on that question. My thoughts on the issue vary on a day-to-day basis between &quot;art without a human creator is irrelevant&quot; and &quot;art happens in the mind of the person who sees&#x2F;hears&#x2F;feels it, not in the medium used to present and preserve it&quot;. My guts favour the latter opinion, but it would be nice if I could work out a decent argument to support the assertion.<p>[1] - the link in the article to the book is broken. The book is available from Amazon here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;Art-Instinct-Beauty-Pleasure-Evolution&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1608190552" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;Art-Instinct-Beauty-Pleasure-Evolut...</a><p>[2] - The Monkeys Who Learned To Sing - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rikverse2020.rikweb.org.uk&#x2F;blog&#x2F;monkeys-learn-to-sing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rikverse2020.rikweb.org.uk&#x2F;blog&#x2F;monkeys-learn-to-sin...</a>
throwawayacc2超过 2 年前
Just reading the title I wanted to mention Henry Darger, who produced art, a huge manuscript in fact, along with a few more things with no seeming intention of ever sharing it with the world. He is certainly not alone. There are many people who use art not for social purposes or social commentary or anything like that, they just to it because they like it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Henry_Darger" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Henry_Darger</a><p>But after reading the article, especially this part:<p>“ But no art form exists apart from our social relationships.”<p>I think this is true. Even in the case of outsider artists or people doing it to relax or whatever, it has a social component to it. Whatever is produced is a result of social interactions, knowingly or otherwise.
arketyp超过 2 年前
Art is fundamentally social perhaps in the way metaphysics and philosophy is too. Perhaps it&#x27;s very true, but it&#x27;s a distasteful framing in my opinion.
tartoran超过 2 年前
Self taught painter here who produces hundreds of works yearly without showing out to the world. I am enjoying the process of making art and the idea of showing selling has been pushed out because socializing takes too much energy leaving me with less for actual art making. There is an idea of maybe one day doing it full time, idea which will require some marketing and selling some work unless I get lucky in another way and can retire from full time programming.<p>However, there is a social aspect. Few people saw my work and were moved by some works which I immediately gifted to them. It felt like a full circle connecting: I enjoyend the process which generated the artwork but once done I no longer needed them and accumulating works is hard if you’re poor. When given out to someone it feels like a healthy purge.
pier25超过 2 年前
If anything this article talks more about the author than art.<p>Most artists I know would be happy doing their thing on their own. It only becomes social because there&#x27;s a need to market and sell it.
michaelgrafl超过 2 年前
Nope. Some art is being made for the sake of making art. For me the process is pain relieving, even if no artefacts remain.<p>Art can be and often is social. But it is not fundamentally so.
jrumbut超过 2 年前
&gt; In thinking about the nature of art, I have come to believe that the art is a fundamentally social phenomenon; art exists primarily for social purposes.<p>It&#x27;s funny because I think this idea is new or even shocking to some, but would be the most obvious thing in the world in other times and places.<p>In the Renaissance, for instance, I&#x27;m sure the artists achieved some amount of personal expression but the art was created to inspire religious feelings in a church or glorify a prince or accomplish some other social goal.
dudeguy3301超过 2 年前
lets not forget not too long ago art was a available only to the rich. the social elements were confined to the whim and contingency of the lords, aristocratics and nobles who deemed art to be so. as we may glean from walter benjamin, the reproducibility of art in a capitalist industry brought art to the &#x27;people&#x27;. we now live in an age where &#x27;art&#x27; and &#x27;artists&#x27; are ubiquitous and available for &#x27;everyone&#x27;. these social parameters are beguiling and precarious. machine learning as a factor of human creativity is almost somewhat a meta statement on art as &#x27;art&#x27;. a second order logic to this &#x27;social&#x27; element. an &#x27;algorithmic&#x27; tendencay to achive some &#x27;objective&#x27; (german idealist) sensitivity to what art is, within the confines of a subjugate classism. think insta, the labor of some is proliferate to the consumption of many. even the doom scroll is an installation by which we socially engage to pronounce the illusion of an agreement to an objective beauty.
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