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Finnish as a world language?

379 点作者 JetSetWilly超过 2 年前

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skrebbel超过 2 年前
I feel the need to defend Finnish cases. Yes, they have a gazillion, but unlike other languages you might know (eg Latin or German), there’s nothing difficult about Finnish cases.<p>Most cases are simply used where English would use prepositions. In Finnish those are postfixes instead, a bunch of letters tacked onto the end of a word. It’s a case and not a word because there’s no space between the two, that’s it.<p>Eg “talo” means house. Talossa means “in the house”. Talon means “of the house” (actually, “the house’s” - omg English has cases too, super difficult). Talolla means “on (top of) the house”. That’s not harder than prepositions is it?<p>I did cheat a bit, because with some words you first got to find the root before you can tack on “-ssa”. The root of talo is also talo, but for some words you got to apply a (simple, purely letter-based) rule. Eg the root of “ankka” (duck) is “anka” so “the duck’s house” becomes “ankan talo”. There’s a bunch of rules to find the root of a noun and you can learn them in half an hour or so.<p>There’s plenty stuff that’s harder about Finnish (notably the vocabulary), but the cases are peanuts.
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retrac超过 2 年前
It should be Japanese, of course!<p>Japanese can be written using either the Latin alphabet, or Chinese characters. The two most common writing systems in the world. It can also be written with its own elegant and purely phonetic writing system. There&#x27;s even Braille, Morse code, and sign language encodings. It is truly media agnostic.<p>Japanese has a regular grammar. From a linguist&#x27;s perspective, aside from the politeness system, it&#x27;s really quite <i>normal</i> for a language. Very little in it to surprise a Finnish, Turkish or Korean speaker. (Unlike English, which if first discovered today spoken by a people in the interior of New Guinea, would lead to accusations of a linguistic hoax.)<p>Finally, some 40% of Japanese vocabulary is based on Chinese, and Chinese and Japanese technical terms flow freely between the languages to this day. Another ~20% of Japanese vocabulary is borrowed from European languages like English or Portuguese. The majority of the world already speaks a significant amount of Japanese and they don&#x27;t even know it! For this reason, Chinese, European, and American, alike, usually find it quite easy to learn.
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makach超过 2 年前
You got me until the first point<p>&quot;It is an essentially logical language. The rules are absolute and reliable in all situations, except exceptions.&quot;<p>&quot;except exceptions?!&quot; whoa..! the brought back memories from learning German.<p>perkele!
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stevekemp超过 2 年前
Speaking as somebody who moved to Finland, and struggles with the language, that&#x27;s some good satire.
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nneonneo超过 2 年前
<i>Spoken</i> Mandarin would be a great basis for a logical world language. Although it shares roughly zero words in common with English or other European languages (aside from the occasional loan word, like coffee or sofa), the language itself is concise, expressive and grammatically simple: no conjugation, no inflection, consistent pronunciation and minimal “politeness”. The only ”weird” parts are tonality and those darned counting words.<p>Too bad the <i>written</i> language is a disaster for learners. 10000 unique characters to learn (30000 for literary fluency), and inconsistent and often unpredictable pronunciation.
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dhosek超过 2 年前
For an extremely logical language, I would nominate Hebrew. The way that verbs are conjugated from three-letter roots and those same roots can become related nouns with regular patterns of adding suffixes is just amazing.<p>The Rabbinic tradition is that the original language before Babel was Hebrew and after my studies of the language in college, I can totally buy that.
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pier25超过 2 年前
&gt; <i>what case? Nominative, accusative, genitive, essive, partitive, translative, inessive, elative, illative, adessive, ablative, allative, abessive, comitative or instructive?</i><p>Jesus... I studied Latin in high school and this triggered some PTSD. And Latin only has 6 cases!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grammatical_case#Latin" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grammatical_case#Latin</a>
_vdpp超过 2 年前
Why not bring back Latin? The alphabet is already in wide use, many languages evolved from it making it easy-ish for them to learn, and Latin was already in wide use as the lingua franca for academia and the church up until the 1700s.
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leke超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m a British guy living in Finland and am of course learning the language. I&#x27;m not sure if this article is a joke, but Finnish is quite a difficult language to learn quickly. However, it is true that Finnish has some great features, and I&#x27;m very lucky to be learning this than some other language.<p>I&#x27;m also a fan of auxiliary languages and think some of these constructed languages are a much better choice for a &quot;world language&quot; because of just how fast one can learn them. My personal favourite being Interlingue (aka Occidental). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Interlingue" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Interlingue</a><p>Related to both these points, there is a savant called Daniel Tammet, who is a polyglot amongst other things. I hear his favourite language is Finnish and he has constructed a language based on it (and other Finnic languages) called Mänti. I haven&#x27;t checked it out yet, but it sounds appealing to me at least. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daniel_Tammet" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Daniel_Tammet</a>
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rvba超过 2 年前
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.<p>As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as &quot;Euro-English&quot;.<p>In the first year, &quot;s&quot; will replace the soft &quot;c&quot;. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard &quot;c&quot; will be dropped in favour of &quot;k&quot;. This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.<p>There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome &quot;ph&quot; will be replaced with &quot;f&quot;. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.<p>In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.<p>Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.<p>Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent &quot;e&quot; in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.<p>By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing &quot;th&quot; with &quot;z&quot; and &quot;w&quot; with &quot;v&quot;.<p>During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary &quot;o&quot; kan be dropd from vords kontaining &quot;ou&quot; and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.<p>Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.<p>Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
bmn__超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ixEBdwf.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ixEBdwf.jpg</a><p>&quot;Koira, koiran, koiraa, koiran again&quot;
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dvh超过 2 年前
Czech&#x2F;Slovak word for ice cream is &quot;zmrzlina&quot; not &quot;zrmzlina&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;?sl=sk&amp;tl=en&amp;text=zmrzlina&amp;op=translate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;?sl=sk&amp;tl=en&amp;text=zmrzlina&amp;op=t...</a>
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aaroninsf超过 2 年前
When I studied syntax as part of linguistics at the college level,<p>Finnish was often a go-to example because it more or less had every feature enabled.<p>Case and declination? Sure. Tenses? Yes. Agglutinative? Yes.<p>It was asserted that there a disproportionate number of linguists are Finnish because their language is a superset of many others, and by necessity almost all Finns are multilingual, and that when they are, the language families they tend to learn (Germanic, Romance, and Slavic) are all distinctly different. So by the time Finnish academics get an advanced degree their language faculties can be extraordinary.<p>EDIT oh yeah gender was the exception to the feature flags
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freetonik超过 2 年前
The weirdest thing about Finnish cases is the counter-intuitive nature (to a speaker of almost any indo-european language). For example: &quot;dog&quot; is &quot;koira&quot;, &quot;I like&quot; is &quot;pidän&quot;; &quot;I like the dog&quot;? — &quot;Pidän koirasta&quot;, which is using the &quot;-sta&#x2F;stä&quot; ending of the elative case, which usually means &quot;from&quot;. So, it&#x27;s &quot;I like from the dog&quot;. It doesn&#x27;t end here...<p>* Tulin Norjasta — I came from Norway.<p>* Pidän Norjasta — I like Norway.<p>* Puhu Norjasta — Talk about Norway.<p>How come the same case is used in these?!<p>&quot;Löytyy apteekista&quot; — &quot;Can be found at the pharmacy&quot;, literally &quot;Find from the pharmacy&quot;. Saying &quot;Löytyy apteekissa&quot;, which would literally mean &quot;find at the pharmacy&quot; is grammatically incorrect.<p>So, yeah, Finnish grammar is nicely structured and consistent, but sometimes it just goes against intuition of speakers of other languages.
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PLMUV9A4UP27D超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m part of the Swedish speaking minority in Finland, and spent 7 years in school trying to learn Finnish. I spent 3 years learning German, and got about as far with that. Or as a friend of mine said who moved to Germany: German just feels like a dialect compared to Finnish.
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naltun超过 2 年前
&gt; I think I do not misspeak myself by saying that the work of this article should settle the matter clearly and finally.<p>Perkele, consider the matter closed.
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wenderen超过 2 年前
Love this satire. Especially the ominous but completely unhelpful &quot;be very, very careful with this one.&quot;
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rendall超过 2 年前
One annoying thing about Finnish is that you have to say the whole year, no shortcuts. 1975 is &quot;one thousand, nine hundred and seventy five&quot; None of this <i>nineteen-seventy-five</i> efficiency nonsense. And, of course, you have to say it in Finnish numerals which are all looooong: <i>vuosi yksi-tuhat-yhdeksänsataa-seitsemänkymmentä-viisi</i><p><i>Saatanan kyrpä, kun saavun numeron loppuun, en muista vitun alkun.</i>
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koolala超过 2 年前
&#x27;Toki Pona&#x27; has been slowly making strides as a good world language. Not as a replacement for English of course but as a modern Esperanto.
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renewiltord超过 2 年前
English is the Javascript of languages. JS will tell you what market fit is about. Neither will die.
jillesvangurp超过 2 年前
I lived there for a bit over three years. Never spent any time trying to learn the language. I learned more about Finnish from this article then in three years of living there. The language is so hard that I just did not see the point of even trying to learn it. Everybody speaks English and I already learned a bit of Swedish when I was living in Sweden so I figured that speaking one of their official languages was good enough (even though non Swedish speaking Finns hate having to deal with Swedish). At least for official stuff (which you usually can do in English as well), that was sometimes useful.<p>The need to learn new languages is slowly disappearing. And not because English is so dominant (which it is) but because machines are getting better at translations. That is about to become very disruptive. Right now, using machine translations is nice when you really need them but still a bit awkward and tedious. And they still get a lot wrong.<p>But that&#x27;s not going to last very long. Real time subtitles are already a thing in video chats and on Youtube. They aren&#x27;t necessarily very good yet but improving over time. Once we hit the good enough stage, Having real time conversations with people you don&#x27;t share any language with also becomes a possibility. Right now you can use your phone for simple stuff but it&#x27;s a bit awkward.<p>I think in a decade or so, you&#x27;ll be able to go wherever and have meaningful conversations with just about anyone you meet. I think that&#x27;s going to be massive enabler for businesses.
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JasonFruit超过 2 年前
Finnish is a beautiful language, and I love to hear it sung — there&#x27;s a <i>wealth</i> of Finnish folk groups doing great music that melds tradition and innovation, borrowing from musics from all over the world. But that&#x27;s the drawback in learning Finnish: what if, understanding the language, I no longer wished to hear the music? The great advantage of Finnish, for me, is that I am unlikely to ruin a song by accidentally becoming aware of its meaning, since it apparently completely lacks cognates with English.
gerdesj超过 2 年前
I think that language diversity is important - the more the merrier as far as I am concerned.<p>I am a Brit. You might know a bit about where I live - a set of islands to the left of mainland Europe, one of which Britain (UK) shares with the Republic of Ireland.<p>We generally speak one of several varieties of English around here along with roughly 100 other languages - our rather complicated history means that this is a very diverse society nowadays.<p>Brythonic&#x2F;Pretonic etc are the languages from before the Angles&#x2F;Saxons&#x2F;Vikings rocked up - that&#x27;s where the modern word Briton ultimately comes from. A greek bloke called Pytheas who circumnavigated these isles called the natives here Pretanike - ie Pretish&#x2F;British peoples.<p>We have Welsh, Scottish, Irish and the rest in rude health. Cornish is being gradually resurrected. Cumbric is nigh on dead as are loads of other old languages.<p>This discussion about a lingua franca (French) is mostly carried out in English for a good reason. English is extremely malleable and not too fussy. It can be complicated or not as required. There are loads of pidgins too. There are no diacritics in English (a few French borrow words perhaps, and that weird double dot over naive that I&#x27;ve left out here). It is also accepted that vowels can wander a bit and consonants can also trot around and find some greener grass.
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pelasaco超过 2 年前
I would vote for &quot;old tupi&quot;, an extinct Tupian language which was spoken by the aboriginal Tupi people of Brazil and in the early colonial period, Tupi was used as a lingua franca throughout Brazil by Europeans and aboriginal Americans. I&#x27;m probably one of the last &quot;speakers&quot;, and probably the only one in Germany :)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tupi_language" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tupi_language</a>
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danwee超过 2 年前
English is the perfect world language... I wish only words were pronounced as they are written.
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sershe超过 2 年前
Piling on other suggestions, why not Turkish? Admittedly I only ever made it to lower intermediate level (I could read newspapers slowly with occasional look-up) and now forgot most of it, but I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve ever encountered anything difficult or illogical, except maybe the -ki suffix (&quot;of&quot;&#x2F;&quot;related to&quot;, that seems to require experience or memorization to know how to use correctly).<p>Simple rules, simple writing system, few exceptions and none in pronunciation (that I know of), and piling suffixes sometimes feels like programming, there&#x27;s suffix for everything and you just add them logically or with simple combination rules: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trstem.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;verb&#x2F;conjunct&#x2F;gel&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trstem.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;verb&#x2F;conjunct&#x2F;gel&#x2F;</a>, you can learn entire conjugation in time it would take you to learn 5 verbs in Spanish ;)<p>Also (like Finnish?) has a political advantage of not being in either of the superpower language families, so every one suffers the ~same amount :)
samstave超过 2 年前
If there is anyone I would trust on Finnish as a language would be Suussu Lacksonen (blair) A famous finnish translator and movie maker...<p>Also you should pleasure your ears by listening to this if you think Finnish is a global language...<p>(ALSO I See Torvalds behind this)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qz_uq7ypZnc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qz_uq7ypZnc</a><p>I have never been so beautifully scolded in a language I cannot understand
zocoi超过 2 年前
Neither Finnish or English is my mother tongue. I spent 8 years in Finland and the rest in the US as an adult. It’s really hard to learn both languages at the same time because of little similarity. My English suffers while I can start conversation in Finnish. Now English is my main language and I couldn’t remember much Finnish.<p>Overall it’s all about where I call home
yencabulator超过 2 年前
&quot;Aseleponeuvottelutoimikunta&quot; is a silly example and frankly won&#x27;t come up much.<p>At the same time, (to this ESL person it seems that) a short Finnish expression can express much more complex concepts than a few English words can usually convey. The complete sentence &quot;Juoksutellaan.&quot; means something like &quot;[Yes,] we shall[&#x2F;should&#x2F;agree to] make them&#x2F;him&#x2F;her&#x2F;it run around[&#x2F;work hard&#x2F;be busy].&quot; The &quot;-lla&quot; implies a non-contiguous form of &quot;to make run&quot;, where the subject mostly needs to run, but not all the time. Think of exercising a horse, or keeping an intern busy for a day.
stew-j超过 2 年前
Is it too late to nominate Nadsat?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nadsat" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nadsat</a><p>or Newspeak?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Newspeak" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Newspeak</a><p>both expressive languages developed by forward thinkers for our modern era.
chizhik-pyzhik超过 2 年前
Nice try, finland
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kebman超过 2 年前
&gt; b. what case? Nominative, accusative, genitive, essive, partitive, translative, inessive, elative, illative, adessive, ablative, allative, abessive, comitative or instructive?<p>&gt; c. is it possible to avoid using the noun?<p>And now you know why the most extroverted Finns are the ones who look at your shoes instead of on the ground in front of you!
karaterobot超过 2 年前
&gt; It is an essentially logical language. The rules are absolute and reliable in all situations, except exceptions.<p>Then English is obviously more logical, since the rules can be applied just as reliably in all situations as Finnish, and has even <i>more</i> exceptions.<p>Tongue is in cheek here, as it is in the original article.
thaumasiotes超过 2 年前
&gt; It is a good sounding language; in other words, it is pleasing to the ear. This has to do with its wealth of vowels, which rules out ugly consonant clusters. It was recently suggested that some vowels should be exported to Czechoslovakia, where a shortage of vowels is imminent, and that some Czech consonants should be imported to Finland. However, negotiations collapsed at an early stage. The Finns would not deal with a language that calls ice-cream &#x27;zrmzlina,&#x27;<p>It&#x27;s always surprising how many people believe that spelling is somehow linguistically significant. There is no real difference between Czech &#x27;zrm&#x27; and English &#x27;zerm&#x27;, but somehow the Czechs are dealing with an unpronounceable vowel shortage.
ian-g超过 2 年前
I opened this up fully expecting it to just be &quot;It&#x27;s a weird language without many relatives. We&#x27;ll all be equally miserable learning it except those weirdo Finns. A level playing field for us all&quot;
Maursault超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m not all that against it, Finnish is quite beautiful. Practically, however, it is too late. English is already the de facto international language with 1.5B speakers and is the most spoken language on the planet followed by Mandarin with 1.3B speakers. I suspect English&#x27;s international popularity is mostly due to two factors, namely, 17th century British imperialism and that English has been the international language of aviation since the 1950&#x27;s.
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langsoul-com超过 2 年前
To make a world language, you need power and control. A cultural invasion and reasons for the language to be absolutely superior to others.<p>I don&#x27;t think Finland has the economic or cultural capacity to make that real. China is the next best bet, but they haven&#x27;t succeeded in the cultural invasion aspect. Japan with anime and Korea with kpop (the cultural export was funded by the S.Korean gov to start) has made better inroads.
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PanosJee超过 2 年前
Let&#x27;s stick with Greek.
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boredemployee超过 2 年前
Why not Esperanto?
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stew-j超过 2 年前
It might have been more interesting to watch Aki Kaurismäki&#x27;s movies, including the <i>Proletariat Trilogy</i> if I understood Finnish. I&#x27;d like to know a very different language from my native English like Japanese, too. (Akira Kurosawa?) You just never know what you miss in translation.
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c-smile超过 2 年前
&gt; I&#x27;m not sure if this article is a joke<p>Of course not. There is even a book about it:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sciter.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;08&#x2F;master-finnish-language.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sciter.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2022&#x2F;08&#x2F;master-finnish...</a>
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eftychis超过 2 年前
Ok I understand this is a troll&#x2F;joke post, but &quot;In order to make things easier to understand, nominative and genitive are called accusative.&quot; How does that make sense in any way? Am I missing something in the case conflation here? These are pretty distinct cases.
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tragomaskhalos超过 2 年前
I know this piece is tongue in cheek, but I nevertheless bridled at the &#x27;ugly consonant clusters&#x27; accusation; I think these add richness and character to a language, and as an English speaker, anyone who disagrees can prise the latchstring from my cold dead hand ...
theshrike79超过 2 年前
Torille?
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garfieldnate超过 2 年前
Reminds me a bit of the classic essay, So You Want to Learn Japanese: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stmoroky.com&#x2F;links&#x2F;sywtlj.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stmoroky.com&#x2F;links&#x2F;sywtlj.htm</a>.
yongjik超过 2 年前
&gt; Finnish has longer and better swear words than any other language.<p>Great, trying to sell it as a World Language and they managed to insult 99.95% of the world with one line!<p>(Well maybe less than 99.95%. We can all agree that English swear words aren&#x27;t that great.)
Asraelite超过 2 年前
I remember a joke question from the conlanging subreddit asking what real language looks the most like it was constructed, and one of the top answers was Finnish.<p>It really does look like that, it&#x27;s unnaturally systematic in a lot of ways.
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bfung超过 2 年前
“Finnish has longer and better swear words than any other language.”<p>That already makes adoption of the language doomed, hahaha. Swearing also needs no logic, I dun give a fuck. Fuck yeah? fuuuuuuck. “fuck” as the universal language and word.
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mzs超过 2 年前
Ha, fantastic to contrast with English as logical and world language :)<p>Anyway, one thing that the post did not touch on was word stress. Finnish is awesomely simple and consistent! (again, especially compared to English)
bergenty超过 2 年前
Is this satire?
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CamogliX超过 2 年前
As a huge fan of Scandinavia And The World comics I agree. Note that in that comic all characters speak, apart Finland that express himself by waving in the air a beer and a rusty knife.
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znpy超过 2 年前
&gt; It is an essentially logical language. The rules are absolute and reliable in all situations, except exceptions.<p>so... the rules are not absolute and reliable in all situations?
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Cloudef超过 2 年前
Finnish Jazz <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=a5-AhIDzqAs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=a5-AhIDzqAs</a>
Koshkin超过 2 年前
I like the sound and the grammar of the Finnish language, if only they had an alphabet more suitable for it: <i>päämäärä</i> is too much for me. (Anteeksi.)
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phtrivier超过 2 年前
At the beginning of the article, I though this was a spoof of all the &quot;why you should use programming language X in your next project.&quot;
paledot超过 2 年前
&gt; we have developed a method of fording this linguistic barrier<p>I twice misread this as &quot;fjording&quot; and found it quite clever, but alas.
regularperson26超过 2 年前
a lot of finnish choose to speak swedish, not a good look.
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briandear超过 2 年前
Ironically the article is on a German site in English.
kebman超过 2 年前
I have only one thing to add to this: Kippis!
NeutralForest超过 2 年前
Mualimaan napa!
keepquestioning超过 2 年前
Is Finnish Proto Indo European?
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vnorilo超过 2 年前
no niin.
xbar超过 2 年前
I am convinced.
skellyclock超过 2 年前
Lörs lärä
Qw3r7超过 2 年前
SUOMIIIII
URfejk超过 2 年前
No thanks.
java-man超过 2 年前
perkele!
bookofjoe超过 2 年前
Sanna Marin FTW!
option超过 2 年前
English is the world language. Time to formalize that and move on.
codebook超过 2 年前
We have logical language already. Esperanto. Don&#x27;t we? :)
stephc_int13超过 2 年前
In my opinion, Finnish is almost a joke.<p>This language was created by a Bishop and was later promoted by Russians for political reasons (to piss off the Swedes).
rhacker超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s right there smack in your face, the entire page has a .de domain and is written in english without Google translation help. English is and always will be the international language, for better or worse. Dare to fight it? You&#x27;ll have to present your argument in English!