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Lost islands cited in Welsh folklore and poetry are plausible

167 点作者 docmechanic超过 2 年前

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tombh超过 2 年前
I grew up in this part of the world! Quite a strange juxtaposition seeing my home on the front page of this site.<p>So maybe I can offer some lesser known interesting context:<p>Wales is only some 300km west of London, yet I have childhood memories (some 35 years ago) of needing to try to speak Welsh to my elderly (in his 80s) neighbour who struggled with English.<p>There is a theory that English&#x27;s use of &quot;do&quot; (so-called &quot;Do-support&quot;) comes from the Welsh language. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Do-support#Origins" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Do-support#Origins</a><p>The stones for Stonehenge come from the Preseli mountains, a small range of blue-ish hills exactly on the coast where these lost islands are proposed.<p>There is a Welsh settlement in Argentina: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Y_Wladfa" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Y_Wladfa</a><p>Not strictly Welsh, but the Severn Estuary, which is the calm, funnel of sea between Wales and England, that invites ships into the harbour of Bristol, points exactly towards Newfoundland in North America. This Welsh-English estuary is where John Cabot made the second recorded voyage of a modern European to the New World[1]. Nowadays, we think of Airports as being the doorways to whole new worlds, but there was a time when it was the coastline and harbours of the South West British Isles that rang and echoed with the adventures, legends, captains, pirates, spices, gems and foreigners of unimaginable far away lands.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;John_Cabot#Second_voyage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;John_Cabot#Second_voyage</a>
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gus_massa超过 2 年前
I hate when the articles have no images, so here are a few:<p>Wikipedia page about the legend <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cantre%27r_Gwaelod" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cantre%27r_Gwaelod</a><p>The PDF of the research article is in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.lib.unb.ca&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;ag&#x2F;article&#x2F;view&#x2F;32596&#x2F;1882528188" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.lib.unb.ca&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;ag&#x2F;article&#x2F;view&#x2F;32596&#x2F;...</a> (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.4138&#x2F;atlgeo.2022.005" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.4138&#x2F;atlgeo.2022.005</a>)<p>The old map with the islands is in page 5 and a new map with the sea depth is in page 7.
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paganel超过 2 年前
&gt; Evidence from the Roman cartographer Ptolemy suggests the coastline 2000 years ago may have been some 13 km further out to sea than it is today.<p>This sort of stuff doesn&#x27;t get repeated often enough in this day and age, we live with the illusion that the sea levels as we now have them should remain the same over the next centuries no matter what.
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fritztastic超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s always interesting (for me) to learn of lost lands- from before humans were around, too, but especially those mentioned in human stories. There are many of these [1]- some of which are the subject of fascinating and informative documentaries, such as this one about Doggerland [2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_lost_lands?wprov=sfla1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_lost_lands?wprov=sfla1</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DECwfQQqRzo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DECwfQQqRzo</a>
jbverschoor超过 2 年前
Why do people always think that things from the past are simply not real.<p>“They”(us in the future) could say the exact same thing about all the things that are real in our current lives.<p>All these mythical creatures (soon to be extinct)<p>Having such a surplus of fresh water.<p>At a certain point they will just deny Dubai was created
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calibas超过 2 年前
&gt; Brasil, also known as Hy-Brasil and several other variants, is a phantom island said to lie in the Atlantic Ocean west of Ireland. Irish myths described it as cloaked in mist except for one day every seven years, when it becomes visible but still cannot be reached.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brasil_(mythical_island)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brasil_(mythical_island)</a>
galgot超过 2 年前
Could it be that the Ys city legend in Brittany was this Welsh legend transposed in Brittany, when the Bretons (originally Welsh peoples) migrated there... very interesting. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ys" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ys</a>
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UberFly超过 2 年前
The article says the research was based on the Gough Map. Just look at this thing. Quite impressive.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.geog.port.ac.uk&#x2F;webmap&#x2F;thelakes&#x2F;large&#x2F;ggh1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.geog.port.ac.uk&#x2F;webmap&#x2F;thelakes&#x2F;large&#x2F;ggh1.jpg</a>
sveme超过 2 年前
Pretty similar to the story of Rungholt[1], which is clearly no longer myth, but fact, with lots of remnants being found.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rungholt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rungholt</a>
docmechanic超过 2 年前
New study of coastal geography and a medieval map.
balentio超过 2 年前
Wasn&#x27;t this posted to Hacker News before?
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