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The energy historian who says rapid decarbonization is a fantasy

52 点作者 mxschumacher超过 2 年前

12 条评论

entropicgravity超过 2 年前
This article seems like a cherry picking exercise. In particular the cherry not picked is the exponential drop in the cost of solar, wind and HVDC lines. Taking the dates of 2000 to now for fossil fuel energy percentage is a picked cherry in that the cost of unsubsidized solar has happened just within the past five years. Sure, don&#x27;t expect much in the next two or three years but in the next two or three decades everything energy wise will have changed because the technologies are now in place and will only get better.<p>Perhaps the reliable writing on the wall is in the stock market where the enterprise value of oil and gas companies has been falling since about 2011. That&#x27;s because investors require a thirty year time frame for financial viability and that window is already closing.<p>You can still buy buggy whips but that industry is not what it used to be.
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ZeroGravitas超过 2 年前
Man who famously said the same thing about EVs, even after 2 million had been sold.<p>Said it was just Obama making stuff up.<p>&gt; LET ME BEGIN WITH A DISCLAIMER: I am neither promoting electric vehicles nor denigrating them. I simply observe that the rational case for accepting EVs has been undermined by unrealistic market forecasts and a disregard for the environmental effects involved in producing and operating these vehicles. • Unrealistic forecasts have been the norm. In 2008, Deutsche Bank predicted that EVs would claim 7 percent of the U.S. market by 2016; in 2010, Bloomberg Businessweek put the 2016 share at 6 percent. But actual sales came to 158,614 units, just 0.9 percent of the record 17.55 million vehicles sold that year. • In his 2011 State of the Union address, then–U.S. president Barack Obama called for 1 million EVs on the road by 2015, and a concurrent report by the Department of Energy claimed that the country’s production capacity in that year would reach 1.2 million units. But the 2015 total came to 410,000 units, representing just 0.15 percent of all vehicles on the road, and sales of U.S. brands reached about 100,000 cars. • And this triumph of hope over experience continues. The worldwide total of EVs on the road reached 2 million units in 2016. If you plot the trajectory of the global stock of EVs since the beginning of their sales to the year 2016, you will see that the equation that best fits the data (a fourth-order polynomial) projects about 32 million units in 2025.<p>There was 4.2 Million EVs sold in the first half of this year. If sales remains entirely flat then between now and 2025 then just the cars sold over the next 4 years will top his prediction for installed base.<p>Sales won&#x27;t remain flat.<p>&gt; The myth that the future belongs to electric vehicles is one of the misconceptions of the modern energy era”. -- Vaclav Smil
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philips超过 2 年前
I have read one of Vaclav Smil’s books and I think he is too stuck on the idea that history will repeat itself. I don’t think this transition compares to the past examples he uses for political and technological reasons and in fact Energy Myths and Realities doesn’t age well because of how rapidly the statistics got out of date on renewable adoption.<p>That said the book is a great and useful historical work.<p>His steadfastness to this hypothesis that “all transitions are like past transitions” is explicitly stated in the end of one of his books:<p>&quot;A world without fossil fuel combustion is highly desirable, and, to be optimistic, our collective determination, commitment, and persistence could accelerate its arrival. But getting there will be expensive and will require considerable patience. Coming energy transitions will unfold, as the past ones have done, across decades, not years.&quot; (Vaclav Smil, Energy Myths and Realities)
mamonster超过 2 年前
Take lithium for example. Famous for being the big part of an EV battery. Lithium is up about 5x in approximately a year and about 3x in 3-4 years, in terms of price. And we are going to need even more, hence we need to procure supplies. How long does a lithium mine take to build? Can we build this lithium mine in a country that Europe&#x2F;US can do business with(question that is really serious after Ukraine)? Do people want to see a lithium lake in Europe&#x2F;USA, knowing the sorts of pollution it causes? What about recycling those batteries? And all of those questions just for lithium. Cobblt, REMs needed for solar panels, etc have their own questions.
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taylodl超过 2 年前
The big item I don&#x27;t hear too many folks talking about is the nitrogen-based fertilizers we obtain from natural gas. That&#x27;s an issue at the center of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Russia&#x27;s halting of natural gas shipments to the West doesn&#x27;t just affect heating homes, it affects fertilizers as well. Soaring fertilizer prices are playing a part in our soaring food prices.<p>The interesting question is do we have to be carbon-neutral to avert the largest calamities due to anthropogenic climate change? Can we continue using natural gas to produce fertilizer? Are some crops more fertilizer-intensive than others?
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mcwone超过 2 年前
Here is a short presentation by Simon Michaux concerning peak rare earth metals which a required for all renewable energy production. One can easily infer from that there will be no renewable energy production that is anywhere close to what is being produced by fossils, we live in a finite world. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JRGVqBScBRE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JRGVqBScBRE</a>
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HonestOp001超过 2 年前
Environmentalists will not encourage success:<p>1. No building nuclear, the only base load that is carbon free. 2. No building the water storage option because of the environmental impact 3. Not allowing for the scale of up of mining necessary to supply the materials for batteries<p>These three things are why the people who speak about solutions and know are Subject matter experts say: here is what needs to happen, but it will never happen because of environmentalists and how they have corrupted the layperson’s mind to these ideas.<p>We can look to Europe to see how the environmentalists will doom society.
mkl超过 2 年前
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m0llusk超过 2 年前
Yet he also effectively says we have to move forward as best we can anyway. The emotional side is as so often happens a distraction from the core material.
seibelj超过 2 年前
&gt; <i>Fossil fuels now supply about 83% of the world’s commercial energy, compared to 86% in the year 2000. The new renewables (wind and solar) now provide (after some two decades of development) still less than 6% of the world’s primary energy, still less than hydroelectricity.</i><p>&gt; <i>What are the chances that after going from 86% to 83% during the first two decades of the 21st century the world will go from 83% to zero during the next two decades?</i><p>This is a hard dose of reality for renewable maximalists. What is the counter point to these facts?
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andrewl超过 2 年前
I started the article and came right back to post this: “Nothing can be more counterproductive than any certainty regarding complex affairs.”
bedhead超过 2 年前
You don’t need to be an energy historian here, you just need basic objective thought and not being a member of the climate doomsday cult.
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