Google removed our website from search because it uses YouTube-dl

381 点作者 justswim超过 2 年前

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jsnell超过 2 年前

Uh, put down the pitchforks. This is not Google taking it down because of not liking the tool. According to the screenshot it's a DMCA request from "BPI", "a UK record label association".

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boomboomsubban超过 2 年前

I still don't see how they can pretend these anti-circumvention takedown requests are legal. The DMCA clearly lays out the path to challenge an alleged circumvention, and it involves a court order barring distribution of the product. Takedown notices are only for violations of copyright.

blfr超过 2 年前

Obviously, this tool does circumvent YouTube's mechanisms to download and edit a video. The user kinda accepts the risk (how many of them even read that privacy policy?) but there is no verification that they have any rights to the video. Which is imho as it should be.It's neither wrong nor illegal to download someone's video and edit it. It's explicitly allowed in many jurisdictions under fair use. However, OP seems to accept complaint's framing.Speaking of youtube-dl, there's an excellent fork, yt-dlp[1], which circumvents the newer speed limiting features YouTube implemented. (From what I gather, they use APIs for older devices.)[1] <a href="https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp</a>

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heinrichhartman超过 2 年前

The case is more nuanced than it looks from the outset. In this case YTDL is executed on the provider's premise not on the users machines. So you are not distributing a tool, you are providing a service that scrapes videos from YouTube.I still think that a DMCA takedown should not apply (and the regulation is BS) but this looks to be a different case. E.g. I could completely understand why Google would not want such a feature in your product for Business reasons.

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johnebgd超过 2 年前

Google has become the baddies. I assume this is just them abusing their power to hurt companies that their customers (advertisers) complain about.

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blacklight超过 2 年前

This is why everybody should stop using Google as their primary search engine, and either use DuckDuckGo/Startpage/Brave or (even better) self-hosted meta-search engines like SearX/SearxNG.I personally opted for the SearxNG option and I haven't looked back at Google for a single search for months.Google decides to remove a website from their engine because of their bullshit reasons? And who cares? Google is only one among ten different sources that contribute to my SearxNG results. Other search engines will probably keep including that website.The best way to stop Google's arrogant monopoly is to ensure that they become just another source among many, and that nobody cares of their search results more than they care about Brave, Ecosia or DDG. Remember that the only reason why Google has so much power over users and businesses is that too many people use it as their sole source of truth.

frognumber超过 2 年前

I feel like submitting a swarm of DMCA take-down notices for copilot, which stole my AGPL code.

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kjeetgill超过 2 年前

Mistakenly googling kawping even auto-corrected to kapwing so I'm guessing they've since been fully reinstated ... (Tinfoil hat) if they were ever even taken down.

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sschueller超过 2 年前

Monopolies abusing their power. Until congress does something this will continue and only get worse.I wouldn't be too sure that AT&T would be broken up today as it was back in 1982.

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encryptluks2超过 2 年前

I'm not justifying Google here as I am a fan of youtube-dl and the variants, but if you are creating a product or business that relies on Google servers and uses software that could be considered abuse (especially for commercial purposes) then I'm not completely surprised. You could have got an API key which is probably the correct route to go once you want to commercialize something like this.

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weird-eye-issue超过 2 年前

<a href="https://i.imgur.com/ioNjNmI.png" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/ioNjNmI.png</a>Okay so their top organic pages were specifically about how to download Youtube videos. I'm assuming this is against Youtube's Terms of Service and considering Youtube is owned by Google this doesn't seem like they were really trying too hard to stay on Google's good side which you need to do when you get millions of monthly organic traffic and want to keep it that way.But anyways according to Ahrefs I'm not seeing any traffic loss (not sure what happened with that big spike but there was a Google update at that time):<a href="https://i.imgur.com/r9naQne.png" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/r9naQne.png</a>

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behel超过 2 年前

And I wondered why we suddenly moved to the first page on google for some queries for our app that we posted on Show HN some time ago that competes with kapwing in a small niche (SavvyCut: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28950702" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28950702</a>). It seems that someone made some room for us. I guess if you rely on googles monopoly to run your business you should not be surprised if they can remove you at will. For us, a lot traffic originates from competing search engines that show us on their first page even without creating any SEO spam.

megamix超过 2 年前

I can still see your website listed in Google search.You can always rely on DuckDuckGo to list :D.What can we say about a totalitarian search engine?

unconed超过 2 年前

It's depressing how shit the internet is now. Youtube has a virtual monopoly on video, effectively making them the public square for rich media. But you're limited in what you can post there, they can remove or deboost or quarantine whatever they want, and they actively prevent you from integrating with them. This is pretty much what every major platform turns into over time.It's the complete opposite of what it was 20 years ago.

emaro超过 2 年前

Although generally I totally agree and I think that with the size and relevance of YouTube Google has to allow access to the content with tools like yt-dl (even for businesses), I still wonder why they do not mention the official YT api with one word? Is it to expensive? Why wouldn't they use it?

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IshKebab超过 2 年前

Can't you just submit a counter-notice for DMCA take-downs?

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grey_earthling超过 2 年前

> has essentially been erased from the internet> This post is a cry for help to Google to stand up for smaller web developersYou perceive Google removing you from their Search service as being essentially erased from the internet, which means you understand they're effectively a monopoly.And when they use that monopoly power against you, your response is to… beg them for mercy?Not even a little questioning their monopoly status, as a treat?It's fair enough to argue your case that you didn't break the rules. It just seems weirdly sinister to not even mention that your fundamental problem here is that the rules are capriciously enforced by what authors in the 1990s would have considered “a bit farfetched even for a hypercapitalist dystopia”.

ComodoHacker超过 2 年前

> currently, even if you search for kapwing on Google, kapwing.com does not show up in the resultsThis is false. My first result in Firefox is <a href="https://www.kapwing.com/tools" rel="nofollow">https://www.kapwing.com/tools</a>

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data_maan超过 2 年前

When I search for "Kapwing" it appears in my searches (the post says it doesn't).Does this mean that after a mere 3 hours Google reacted already?This would again point to the highly asymmetrical balance of power where those that succeed in making themselves heard publicly (e.g. by hitting HN front page - not so easy, see my own submissions) get their problems fixes by the internet big ones, while those that don't are left to rot in obscurity. #regulateSiliconValley

maven29超过 2 年前

It doesn't look like Giphy actually downloads from youtube, it seems like it does a lookup in their content library using the video page metadata.

aaaaaaaaaaab超过 2 年前

I don’t get Google’s gripe with youtube-dl. A huge chunk of YouTube content is reaction videos and video responses where snippets of the original video is spliced into the new one for commentary. How are creators supposed to make these kinds of videos “legally” if youtube-dl is not allowed according to Google?

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DarthNebo超过 2 年前

Would running client-side youtube-dl in WASM fix the issue since Kapwing wouldn't be invoking youtube-dl from their backend.YouTube is in such weird spot because they want to maintain free access to content yet limit how people access it without a pay-wall which OTT players like Netflix etc have been doing since long.

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LAMike超过 2 年前

An open sourced Electron/Desktop app for editing videos sourced from Youtube might be successful, but everything runs in the browser and it's more universal. With WASM, things get more interesting because the capabilities will get closer to "native" apps over the next 3-5 years

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vorticalbox超过 2 年前

Does YouTube not have an api for third party applications to allow you access to your uploaded videos?

schappim超过 2 年前

Googling for Kapwing shows them #1 in the search for me (currently in the UK).

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davikr超过 2 年前

I don't see why a single DMCA would take down an established company's whole business off Google Search, without even a chance to 'comply', if it didn't benefit Google to do so.

Hitton超过 2 年前

It's funny that even though the main page kapwing.com is removed, their tools page with big "YouTube Video Downloader" link is still first when searching the name.

mavhc超过 2 年前

It's interesting that Youtube allows you to specify your video is Creative Commons, yet provides no way for you to legally do anything with that video except watch it

epakai超过 2 年前

You were competing with google (or they are about to enter a similar space), but relied on their platform in some way. The big company crushes and keeps on rolling.

c80e74f077超过 2 年前

It looks you're back here (or not removed yet) <a href="https://imgur.com/yCKetPI" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/yCKetPI</a>

I_am_tiberius超过 2 年前

I'm fighting with Google as well. Does anyone know why what "Discovered - currently not indexed" means in detail?

reflexe超过 2 年前

Maybe they should send a DMCA to gboard first since it uses giphy.

hsuduebc2超过 2 年前

It is really heading towards corporate dystopia.

f23f23g2323g超过 2 年前

another reason to split Google & others into many smaller companies

ur-whale超过 2 年前

<a href="http://www.yandex.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yandex.com</a> ftwAlmost as good as Google in search quality but, more importantly, unencumbered by all the legal US BS such as DMCA.<a href="https://yandex.com/search/?text=kapwing" rel="nofollow">https://yandex.com/search/?text=kapwing</a>

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de6u99er超过 2 年前

I used kapwing once, to cut out a s ction of a YouTube video which I downloaded through some other service and post it on Twitter. I was so positively suprised about the online video editor which allowed me to start editing the video while it was being uploaded, that I created a post on LinkedIn about it.That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if YT has developed a mechanism to detect content that was downloaded through YT-DL and your company is a victim of an automated tool someone at YT has created to make sure those who steal videos from others will make less revenue.E.g.: - IGN pays for content or gets content exclusively - someone else downloads the IGN video puts their own watermark over the IGN one and publishes the video as their own. IGN and the company ask - YT to take those videos down which requires lots of people to waste their time for something that could be automated