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Swatch Internet Time

97 点作者 ghgr超过 2 年前

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amenghra超过 2 年前
Great Twitter thread on how weird our time keeping systems are:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;foone&#x2F;status&#x2F;1572260363764400129" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;foone&#x2F;status&#x2F;1572260363764400129</a>
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CorpOverreach超过 2 年前
My first interaction with this was with Phantasy Star Online on the Nintendo GameCube. (Yes, it did have online connectivity!)<p>PSO would display the current time in .beats - a concept I thought was amazing at the time, showing the same time for everyone in an MMORPG made total sense. Sadly that&#x27;s the only real-life application I remember seeing of it.
sen超过 2 年前
I also had a .beat watch and absolutely loved it. I even had the program that changed your Windows system clock to use .beat time. I was convinced they were onto something huge and it was going to be the future... it was fun while it lasted.<p>I still think the way we do time&#x2F;date is archaic and ridiculous, and absolutely ready to be replaced with something better.
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aravindet超过 2 年前
Internet Time is what sent me down the decimal time and calendar reform rabbit holes!<p>One idea I wrote up was to divide the year and the day in a consistent way, rather than having separate reform proposals for the clock and the calendar.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aravind.rs&#x2F;clock" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aravind.rs&#x2F;clock</a><p>(It relies on the coincidence that the ratio of the length of the year to day, 365.2422, can be very, very closely approximated by the fraction 46,751 &#x2F; 128.)
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dang超过 2 年前
Related:<p><i>Decimal Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32045573" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32045573</a> - July 2022 (1 comment)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31642887" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31642887</a> - June 2022 (2 comments)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29564119" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29564119</a> - Dec 2021 (2 comments)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time (or .beat time)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26671343" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26671343</a> - April 2021 (2 comments)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24348915" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24348915</a> - Sept 2020 (2 comments)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22528768" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22528768</a> - March 2020 (1 comment)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time (1998)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16307725" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16307725</a> - Feb 2018 (78 comments)<p><i>Swatch Internet Time</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7046178" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7046178</a> - Jan 2014 (96 comments)<p><i>Ask HN: Why did this idea of Internet Time not work?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=520004" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=520004</a> - March 2009 (28 comments)
gerikson超过 2 年前
The Swatch home page still shows beats (upper left)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swatch.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;homepage" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swatch.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;homepage</a><p>I implemented it in Javascript for this page <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gerikson.com&#x2F;cgi-bin&#x2F;eternal.cgi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gerikson.com&#x2F;cgi-bin&#x2F;eternal.cgi</a> [1], but it&#x27;s off from the official page by 1<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gustafe&#x2F;EternalTime&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;templates&#x2F;eternal.tt#L25" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gustafe&#x2F;EternalTime&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;templates...</a>
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abestic9超过 2 年前
Outside of the timezone-agnostic advantages, .beats are about what I&#x27;d expect single notable tasks to resolve to and seem to be a great notation for that purpose. Retrieving an item I know the rough location of might take 1 .beat, disinfecting a kitchen countertop might take 2 .beats, resolving a P1 service outage I know the cause of might take 4 .beats to correct, verify and push into production. That ease is what makes it a viable replacement for me.<p>So after widespread adoption it could be used effectively as second nature and improve communication without the wasted thought cycles it takes to consider seconds&#x2F;minutes, just to end up supplying poor ETAs. For example, from, &quot;just a second,&quot; really meaning anywhere between 5 and 300 seconds, to a moment being hopefully less than 15 minutes, instead we hear, &quot;need to grab something from the garage, back in... 2 beats,&quot; to mean around 3 minutes and parallelise our own movements appropriately.<p>With that edge, I&#x27;m optimistic that .beats wouldn&#x27;t become arbitrary language after a few decades, that its use would be more thoughtful, but I&#x27;m ignorant to the psychology.<p>If decimal time of any description were to catch on, all systems should be updated, right down to the instruments requiring microsecond accuracy. Similarly, while we propose reformed timekeeping, can we decimalise the calendar year? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Calendar_reform" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Calendar_reform</a>
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myself248超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m so annoyed that they based their zero on Biel time (GMT+1) instead of on GMT itself.<p>That cemented it as a joke rather than a serious attempt at universal time, and I think poisoned the idea in a lot of places that it otherwise might&#x27;ve taken off.
nightpool超过 2 年前
I did a web design project in college where I made a combination reminder &#x2F; clock app based around internet beats. You could mark down when you started working on something and then set down reminders for when things needed to happen, in relative minute or best measurements, and you&#x27;d get an automatic countdown that would repeat every day, all backed by Firebase so I could share it between my desktop and my phone. It&#x27;s probably not around anymore, but it was really fun to use for the few weeks where I was using it full time to help keep track of things.<p>I did use a slightly different implementation of beats compared to Swatch&#x27;s though—I found it more elegant and natural to base the &quot;day&quot; of the beats on the UTC timezone, rather then the GMT+1 timezone that Swatch chose for themselves to represent their headquarters in Switzerland.
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bugmen0t超过 2 年前
I had a &quot;beats&quot; watch in the late 90s. Something with &quot;internet&quot; in the name was super appealing to me, when I knew I couldn’t have the actual internet with me.<p>I guess back then, as a teenager I didn’t even know how much of a nerd I was :-)
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funnybeam超过 2 年前
Clearly we should all just use unixtime with seconds from midnight if you want a relative local time of day<p>SI units can then be used instead of minutes, days, etc<p>Makes much more sense<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.decimalisetime.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.decimalisetime.org&#x2F;</a>
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gillesjacobs超过 2 年前
I quite like the idea of decimal time [1] and the swatch proposal uses the most simple implementation with only 1 unit for a whole day (1000 beats in a day). The day-to-day practical implications of having only one unit instead of the usual three (24 hours, 60 minutes, 60 seconds) are hard to gauge. It might be more difficult to communicate approximate points in time: 525 vs. half past twelve.<p>Then again these conventions are social and with wide-adoption should become second nature too. But as the French Revolution showed, overcoming the network effect of commonly used time-standards is near impossible.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Decimal_time" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Decimal_time</a>
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tao_oat超过 2 年前
I love seeing .beats pop up occasionally; it&#x27;s always fun. And every time I link to this article: [So You Want To Abolish Time Zones](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;abolish" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;abolish</a>)
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marban超过 2 年前
Early 90s, I got a Swatch — The Beep, which was basically a numeric pager in a watch. Needless to say that it was the ultimate flex in school. Vintage ad: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CEMwc70iCKM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CEMwc70iCKM</a>
mixmastamyk超过 2 年前
“Metric” sounds great on the surface, but there is a reason that 12-based numbers are often used, especially in the old days. They are very easy to split into halves, thirds, quarters, and sixths, without rounding.
nunorbatista超过 2 年前
I might be the only Swatch employee on HN, so I believe this deserves my comment. The concept of Internet Time is genius. Swatch even wanted to send a satellite to space and with that be able to synchronize the time on all the watches.<p>As others have said, I also think the issue was basing the time on Biel (GMT+1). If it had been done on another timezone, it would have worked better.<p>Mr. Hayek (the Swatch founder) was a genius ahead of his time.
elliotpage超过 2 年前
I love Swatch Internet Time - as others have mentioned, I used it constantly via Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast. I used the .beats watchface on my Pebble until it died, too.<p>A second run at .beats with a clear mind and an open standard could nail down the awkward parts (Set 000 as midnight UTC for example) but I doubt there is the motivation to try the exercise again.
amelius超过 2 年前
What does the internet have to do with it?
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MiscIdeaMaker99超过 2 年前
I remember running the official app in Windows 95&#x2F;98 that ran in the system tray showing Internet Time. I can&#x27;t say that I used it once for anything ever, but I really liked the novelty of it back then.
jordemort超过 2 年前
Hm, but what calendar does it pair best with? French Republican, for maximal decimalization, or Discordian, for maximal weirdness?
ryandrake超过 2 年前
I wonder how this time system would have dealt with things like leap seconds and Daylight Saving Time.
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29athrowaway超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s an obfuscated way of telling people to use the same timezone.
KMnO4超过 2 年前
I don’t understand the dot in “.beats”. How is that pronounced? “Dot-beats”?<p>And it really makes it awkward to add in an English sentence, especially if you use it at the start. .beats could just be “beats”.
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