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SaaS services behind a startup

132 点作者 jjzhiyuan超过 2 年前

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danwee超过 2 年前
Maybe it&#x27;s just because I&#x27;m getting old, but this whole &quot;Don&#x27;t build it yourself, buy it. Focus on your own business, and whenever you need something extra, use a Saas&quot; seems to me like an anti-pattern. I cannot back it up, it&#x27;s a gut feeling.<p>Now, if somehow your people need Figma, you are not going to build it yourself (that would be crazy). But perhaps the question to ask is &quot;Do you actually need Figma?&quot;. If your business absolutely depends on how your UI&#x2F;UX looks and feels, then sure, designers in your company have a powerful voice and, indeed, Figma may be a very valuable tool. But I don&#x27;t think Bytebase needs Figma. Sure, their designers will probably need to work with prototypes and designs, but the whole thing is not essential to the business imho.<p>Same goes for Linear, Neat, Sourcegraph, and a few others. And my argument is not, the money ($1K&#x2F;month should be something any SaaS with decent revenue can easily afford), my argument is dependencies: why on Earth would I want to build a product with some many dependencies?<p>I don&#x27;t know. Building a product with so many dependencies feels very amateur, error prone, and prone to instability. Again, it&#x27;s just a gut feeling from some old dude that has been doing software since the late 90s. Maybe it&#x27;s just the way things are done nowadays.
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xyzzy_plugh超过 2 年前
This is possibly misleading as this 20-Person company is obviously not yet at a phase where they have a mature customer acquisition pipeline. It&#x27;s obvious because they&#x27;re on basic or free tiers for all these services.<p>As soon as they try to land a customer with any sort of compliance requirements, the pricing tiers on nearly all these SaaS plans will jump significantly. It&#x27;s unrealistic to expect to pay less than one full time employee for basically all your supporting infrastructure.<p>SaaS is definitely great to start out, as demonstrated here, but the danger is lock-in and expense creep, which can kill otherwise strong companies. Burn cash to accelerate but always have an escape hatch ready for when you need to tighten the purse strings.
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asim超过 2 年前
So many tools. What really frustrates me about stuff like this, every new employee brings in their own biases and tools they prefer to work with, then there&#x27;s a battle over working with an existing process or replacing it for the new shiny thing which isn&#x27;t really that much better. The majority of time you just spend learning these new tools only to then be replaced by something else. What&#x27;s worse, every tool is some additional per head user cost. Personally I get the feeling like a bundled GSuite plus some chat and Jira workflow does the job but maybe I&#x27;m just old school.
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ZephyrBlu超过 2 年前
Based on the title I thought this was going to be an article ridiculing companies with this number of SaaS services.<p>It feels like they&#x27;re really stretching the number of tools they&#x27;re using for this article. I find it hard to believe they&#x27;re actually using all these tools on a regular basis.<p>Excalidraw (???), multiple analytics tools, multiple hosting providers, Cloudflare, Algolia (Their docs appear to be using Docusaurus which comes with Algolia out of the box, so ???), multiple messaging tools, +more.<p>&gt; <i>The R&amp;D team of just over 10 members releases a new version every two weeks, and each version has 100 to 150 PRs submitted.</i><p>Uhh, what?<p>2w = 10d<p>100 &#x2F; 10 = 10<p>The team is putting up a minimum of 10 PRs a day? How do they have time to put up so many PRs and then also review other people&#x27;s? These PRs must be tiny.
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remote_phone超过 2 年前
I worked at a 5000 person tech company and it was a mish mash of different services. It may have seemed smart but learning so many different interfeces, literally dozens, was exhausting. When I was at another bigger company with a better devex investment, all of the internal tooling has similar look and feel and felt a lot better.<p>When you’re a startup I understand you can’t invest in devex but there is a point where investing in your own tools makes a huge difference to internal productivity.
0xbadcafebee超过 2 年前
If you&#x27;re starting from scratch, I recommend GitLab for hosting your code. They have dozens of extra features you don&#x27;t have to use, but you will want as you grow. GitHub has only very slowly been adding similar features over time, and while their interface is much nicer, GitLab just has everything baked in from day 1 and has had a much longer head start on getting integration right.
jraines超过 2 年前
Free tier for a lot of these; if it works for you great, I guess just be ready to need&#x2F;want to upgrade a bunch, grouped around the same time, at which point this goes up 5x, conservatively
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can16358p超过 2 年前
Is paying that much for Linear and Grammarly really worth it?<p>While $1183 is already cool, I think it can easily go sub-1000 (not really important though as SaaS expenses are negligible compared to many other expenses)
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theGnuMe超过 2 年前
You should only build software tools that at the right level of abstraction to deliver your product. Building APIs for anything else is a waste of time unless there is a general absence of those tools in the marketplace. If there is or existing tools are overpriced, slow or otherwise untenable, then maybe you should work on tools for that market instead.<p>Otherwise, after product market fit and as you scale you can go down the abstraction hierarchy to optimize cost of goods sold.
andyjohnson0超过 2 年前
&gt; 20-Person Startup, 30 SaaS Services<p>The way I look at it is that&#x27;s 1.5 external dependencies per person. How do they even remember what they&#x27;re using, never mind pay for it?
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swyx超过 2 年前
incredible transparency, thank you for sharing!<p>paying $70 for intercom but $20 for mailchimp. interruption marketing vs permission marketing. when i first land on your page the fake intercom chat is the first thing to put me off, i gotta ask if you think its actually worth it?<p>last question on the content productivity. 3-5 articles per week is very good. what kind of traffic does that get you, and have you considered “slow down to get 10x results” type experiments?
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ryanSrich超过 2 年前
Im really curious about the render cost. We’re a 5 person startup and spend around $1,300&#x2F;month on Heroku. Is the cost savings really that significant? Perhaps our SaaS apps are drastically different?
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yamtaddle超过 2 年前
How do people handle account management with all these damn SaaS, at small-but-big-enough-that-it&#x27;s-kinda-a-problem companies? Just checklists and a lot of clicking through web UIs?<p>Asking for a friend.
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Existenceblinks超过 2 年前
R&amp;D makes it unclear what development-only looks like, the short description for each doesn&#x27;t separate category between R and D. I guess it&#x27;s pretty much 90% overlap.
openplatypus超过 2 年前
Interesting.<p>We use just a handful of SaaS services and are very happy.<p>Rather than adding services and increasing surface of failure&#x2F;attack we focus on picking good partners.
ranuzz超过 2 年前
Interesting to see no sales or CS section in the tools categorization. I see there is an enterprise plan and contact us link though.
cultofmetatron超过 2 年前
1,183 isn&#x27;t really that bad for a 20 person startup. we spend that much on our cloud and we have 5 people.
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ex3ndr超过 2 年前
We pay 160$ alone for Vercel, how they are 20-person startup when they have just a one license?
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a_k_p超过 2 年前
Great to see OSlash as a part of the stack. Thank you Bytebase team
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xzghfat超过 2 年前
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