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What happened to Tandy computers

120 点作者 erickhill超过 2 年前

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cmer超过 2 年前
Fun Tandy story.<p>It was the 80s. My parent bought a Tandy 1000 SX for their business. It worked fine for a while, until one day it started randomly crashing, and occasionally showing a little dot bouncing around the screen.<p>They took that thing to countless computer stores to have it fixed. Nobody could figure it out. Everybody said it was working just fine.<p>My dad got so fed up he bought a new computer and told me that if I could fix it, I could keep it.<p>And of course I figured it out! Turns out, it was infected with the Ping Pong [1] virus. One of the very first viruses. Certainly the first I had ever witnessed, or anybody I knew for that matter. That day, John McAfee got me a free computer!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ping-Pong_virus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ping-Pong_virus</a>
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throwaway20148超过 2 年前
Little piece of Tandy errata: They had their own subway line in downtown Fort Worth[1]. It was there before they built their headquarters, The Tandy Center, but they kept it running and it terminated in a parking lot that also had a little farmers market that my family used to sell watermelons at when I was a kid in the early 90s. If we sold all of the melons early we would take the train into the Tandy Center for the fun of it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tandy_Center_Subway" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tandy_Center_Subway</a>
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classichasclass超过 2 年前
This sort of glosses over all the other computers Tandy made or rebadged. It only briefly refers to the original TRS-80s, and doesn&#x27;t seem to mention anything else like the CoCos, the Pocket Computers and the Model 100 family. At least for a period of time those were nearly as important as the PCs, particularly the M100. I worked with an elementary school teacher who had a whole room full of networked CoCo 2s (using the cassette interface rotary network) and a CoCo 3 as the server. The fractions math trainer I wrote for them was still in use years later.
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pjungwir超过 2 年前
My family bought a Tandy 1000 around 1985. I was eight years old and quickly started writing batch scripts and rudimentary BASIC games. My friend had a Tandy too and, being a musician, talked all the time about their &quot;three-voice sound.&quot; We taught ourselves BASIC together by decoding the spiral-bound reference manual that came with the computer. Without any tutorial-style material it was rough going, but we persisted. I remember him trying to explain for loops to me and I was just n-o-t getting it. And I always wondered what GOSUB was for. &quot;Why would you want to go somewhere then just come back again?&quot; After several years it finally clicked when I independently invented function calls. ;-)
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loloquwowndueo超过 2 年前
“ the reason there’s about a 90% chance you are reading this on a PC with an Intel or Intel compatible processor”<p>Here I am, reading this on a phone with an ARM-based CPU :) and some quick market share stats I found actually point to about 50% web traffic happening on mobile devices. So not 90%, no :)
klik99超过 2 年前
My dad had a Tandy 1400LT - no hard drive, just whatever disk was inserted - I played Space Quest 2&amp;3 and Leisure Suit Larry (I wouldn&#x27;t let my own kids play that one at that age, but I honestly had no idea). I was upset it wouldn&#x27;t play Space Quest 4. This triggered a latent memory of my first experience programming BASIC on it, putting me at 8-9 years old. I wish there was a laptop that difficult to use and durable today - my own kids ended up busting a raspberry pi 400 I got for them to mess around on.
Rapzid超过 2 年前
Tandy 3000 is where it all started for me. My fam got it late in about 95.. A hand me down from my dad&#x27;s friend.<p>We had a vic(?) in 92&#x2F;93 but I don&#x27;t recall my dad ever doing anything with it and I only ever got a simple sample program running from the huge manual. After much trial and frustration; was 7-8.<p>So Tandy. DOS, a commander like compressed launcher... Everything had to explode before it ran haha. Loaded with stealth fighter and some other games. Monitor had to be banged to get the colors right every so often.<p>Sierra games. Ran up huge help line bill. Father was PO&#x27;d; we didn&#x27;t have a lot of means haha.<p>486 came with second marriage. Got video game programming in 21!days box bundle from Sam&#x27;s publishing for Xmas. Nothing worked properly on windows 3.1 ootb back then. Really turned me off programming for a long time.<p>Ah the memories.
bluedino超过 2 年前
The neighbors had a Tandy 1000. One of the lower models, I don&#x27;t remember which one. It didn&#x27;t have a hard drive, only had 384KB of memory (not sure, it didn&#x27;t have 640k so it wouldn&#x27;t run some DOS games I brought over), but it did have a 720kb 3.5&quot; disk drive (which couldn&#x27;t read my 1.44MB disks)<p>We mostly played around with Deskmate and GWBASIC, but my friends mother was taking computer science classes and gave me a floppy with Turbo Pascal 2.0 on it. That was a big deal.<p>I had a 386SX at home which was pretty low end, but this computer was quite a bit older than that, but she did buy it new. I remember the guy from the store coming over there to set it up, I want to say they paid $599 for it.
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Eleison23超过 2 年前
My father and I purchased all our consumer electronics at Radio Shack back in the day. I had a full line of gadgets: microcassette recorders, RC vehicles, a 2&quot; battery handheld LCD TV, cables, batteries, you name it. The clerk at the mall, Jon, was like my best friend; we had long meandering conversations. Hopefully they were mostly about electronics, I guess. Of course he knew how to sell me the good stuff!<p>However, my family never owned a single Tandy system. First we picked up an Atari VCS, and it stayed at Grandma&#x27;s, because Mom was afraid we&#x27;d mess up the color TV. For reasons I cannot recall, we became a Commodore family with the purchase of a VIC-20 for my exclusive use, hooked up to the very living-room TV that was precious to Mom and Dad.<p>I hardly had any contact with Tandy computers, other than the one on display at Radio Shack. School computers were TI-99&#x2F;4a, then there were C64s at high school; the family friend owned an Apple ][e, my girlfriend in the mid-90s was an Amiga girl, and I just never had occasion to lay hands on a Tandy. Oh well!
incanus77超过 2 年前
Radio Shack may have been selling IBMs by 1995, but by 1998, they were in a big partnership with Compaq instead. I worked at one then while in college and earned great commissions on them; they were the big ticket. The Radio Shack strategy at that time was shifting towards licensing big name products such as Compaq, Sprint PCS mobile phones, and Sprint cordless landline phones. They even had Scotty from Star Trek promoting a battery club!<p>See this catalog: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;radioshackcatalogs.com&#x2F;flipbook&#x2F;1999_radioshack_catalog.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;radioshackcatalogs.com&#x2F;flipbook&#x2F;1999_radioshack_cata...</a><p>Ultimately they got completely blown away by the rise of big box stores such as CompUSA and Best Buy, though.
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mosburger超过 2 年前
My first computer was an Tandy 1000EX (in... 1986?), and this article is spot-on. The sound and graphics were miles ahead of my friends with IBM and Apple PCs at home (but not quite as good as the Commodores). And, as the article points out, they didn&#x27;t keep up with standards. I made the mistake of going with nostalgia and &quot;upgrading&quot; to a Tandy 1000TX in 1992 when I headed off to college, and everyone else was running Windows (my old Tandy could run Windows 3.0, but not 3.1). I ended up needing to do my homework on my roommate&#x27;s Wang (another dinosaur) PC.<p>Still nostalgic for my first Tandy 1000, but I regretted my decision to get the second one, and ultimately sold it a year later to buy a no-name 486 PC.
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bsharitt超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m not old enough to have grown up on Tandy computers(though I recall my parents having what may have been a CoCo when I was very young), I do have have a 1000TX and CoCo 2 as part of my retro computer collection. I really kind of like that 1000TX in my collection. Not only is it one of my favorite XT compatibles(technically it has a 286, but still effectively has an XT rather AT architecture, so it ends up basically being a fast 8088) in my collection, that Tandy graphics and sound also give a bit of a soul of an 8-bit home computer and was pretty well supported by games of the era, especially compared other niche graphics and sound technologies.
agentultra超过 2 年前
I feel like this story crossed into Halt and Catch Fire a few times.<p>A friend of mine had one of these machines in the early 90&#x27;s as a hand-me-down. It was his own computer! Unheard of at the time for me and most families I knew that had a computer. They were shared!
zaphar超过 2 年前
My first computer was a Tandy 1000HX. Without it I would probably never have gotten into the career I have now. Nothing but fond memories of that thing.
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mixmastamyk超过 2 年前
Everything got crushed by the IBM PC, including IBM. Largely because it was open (enough) and could be reverse engineered.<p>Apple is the only other notable survivor of the era, by its fingernails and $150 million from Microsoft in the late 90s to give the appearance of competition and appease regulators. Arstechnica has a great piece on this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;2005&#x2F;12&#x2F;total-share&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;2005&#x2F;12&#x2F;total-share&#x2F;</a><p>Specifically these graphs. By 1990 it was all over in PCs. Unix workstations held on for another decade until Linux on Intel dealt them a deathblow, aka Coup de Grâce.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.arstechnica.net&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;archive&#x2F;articles&#x2F;culture&#x2F;total-share.media&#x2F;graph4-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.arstechnica.net&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;archive&#x2F;artic...</a><p>Of course, most of these companies made bad decisions that led to their downfall. Which TFA details. But the super-competitive environment made bad decisions fatal rather than recoverable.
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hollywood_court超过 2 年前
I knew one of the Tandy children. He lived in the Virgin Islands and was known as “the water mon.” He sold 5 gallon bottles of water out of a white van. It would be hard to guess that he was from money and had money.
lordnacho超过 2 年前
I remember the brand, though I never came near one. Friends all had various other machines.<p>Sounds like they missed the memo about Moore&#x27;s Law. It really was a special time for home computing in the 1990s, every time I went to see a friend with a new machine it would be miles better than one from just a few months earlier. Sounds went from a bunch of beeps to what we now think of as ordinary. Graphics went from green text on a black screen to proper 3D. The father of a friend of mine had a high end machine that he used to do research, super precious about it. Not long after I had a gaming machine that was much better.<p>You can see why your average business manager might think to keep the outdated models around as entry level machines, and then people got so disappointed they never came back.
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ck2超过 2 年前
&gt; <i>And I will argue the reason there’s about a 90% chance you are reading this on a PC with an Intel or Intel compatible processor in it has a lot to do with Tandy</i><p>Nope. The reason you are reading this on PC&#x2F;intel is because of clone motherboards and CPUs which made home computers affordable and small-shops&#x2F;hobbyists could build their own.<p>Name brands were twice the price, the Apple universe was four times the price.<p>Cheap clones is why x86 is alive and well today.
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kragen超过 2 年前
Selling an 8086 with 512KiB of RAM in 01992? Maybe this is another story about how nontechnical people fail to manage technical companies: maybe leathercrafting supplies merchant Charles Tandy didn&#x27;t understand what it meant, in user experience terms, that their competition was shipping 32-bit 100MHz 80486es with 4 MiB of RAM. Maybe it didn&#x27;t occur to him that things might have changed significantly in only a year. In some sense the network effects of the computer market meant that some platform consolidation was inevitable, and that was going to open up opportunities for manufacturing economies of scale the smaller players couldn&#x27;t match.<p>Does something similar explain what happened to Datapoint? They were a great up-and-coming company until 01981, roughly the time that Commodore shipped the VIC-20 and IBM shipped the PC, and then they suddenly cratered. Did they die because they were still selling 8008-compatible machines with no graphics or sound, at a price only businesses would be interested in? Or was it that IBM had a better price and a better sales force for those businesses?
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rob74超过 2 年前
&gt; <i>The problem was, Tandy didn’t really have a succession plan [for the Tandy 1000].</i><p>Sounds familiar... sitting back and treating their successful models as cash cows killed at least one other home computer pioneer: Commodore. The original Amigas (A1000&#x2F;A500&#x2F;A2000) were successful (more in Europe than in the US, but still), but they were never able to come up with a worthy successor until it was too late.
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RcouF1uZ4gsC超过 2 年前
Tandy actually had a comic series for kids which advertised their computers.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atarimagazines.com&#x2F;whizkids&#x2F;showpage.php?issue=community&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atarimagazines.com&#x2F;whizkids&#x2F;showpage.php?issue=c...</a>
smm11超过 2 年前
I was at a newspaper in 1992 and we all used Tandy TRS-80 computers writing to huge floppy discs. Our finished copy would find its way to Compugraphic Unisetter machines for output.<p>Inside of a year I was at a place using Aldus Pagemaker on Macs to paginate.
atan2超过 2 年前
I loved my Tandy. It&#x27;s nice to see it in the front page of HN, but the shallow content and the thousands of ads in the middle of the article made it for a really depressing read.
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nope96超过 2 年前
I love that there is still an active Tandy user group!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.glensideccc.com&#x2F;cocofest&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.glensideccc.com&#x2F;cocofest&#x2F;</a>
musictubes超过 2 年前
My very first experience with a computer was playing Temple of Apshi on a TRS-80. My friend&#x27;s father had it. This must have been early 80s. I remember him having to use a pencil eraser tip to turn it on. Thought that was odd. Shortly afterwards I started using the Apple II and II+ at school. Never saw another Tandy computer in the flesh. My friends all had Commodores and I eventually got a 128 myself after an abusive relationship with a Timex Sinclair 2068.
empressplay超过 2 年前
My second computer was an MC-10 bought on clearance. My route out and about on my bike usually took me to the local Radio Shack store where I&#x27;d spend an hour or two playing with the CoCo&#x27;s, Tandys and such.<p>I currently have a Model 1 (part of my Holy Trinity) a 1000, an MC-10, a PC-1 and a CoCo 3... I really need to find another Model 100 (or 102)... had to sell the last one :(
a_zaydak超过 2 年前
I still have a Tandy2000. I learned to code on it as a kid. I still boot it up every now and again to play some King&#x27;s Quest.
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iancmceachern超过 2 年前
We had a Tandy 1000RLX growing up. The X meant it had a 40 mb hard drive. Loved that thing.
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froggertoaster超过 2 年前
I used to use my Tandy to check my email, along with my brothers Mad and Sad.
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gcanyon超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s nuts that Tandy still exists: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tandyleather.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tandyleather.com</a>
AtomicOrbital超过 2 年前
back then I had a commodore vic 20 which ran out of ram simply coding up the creation of a backgammon game in basic so I borrowed a friends TRS80 ... wow what a dream machine ... I was able to finish writing the program and its graphics was infinitely higher resolution than my vic 20 ... I have fond memories of that Radio Shack box
TMWNN超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s well known that the Apple II was one of the first three prepackaged, preassembled personal computers on the market. It, the TRS-80 Model I, and the Commodore PET all appeared in late 1977.<p>It&#x27;s not well known that the Apple was <i>not</i> the obvious winner of the three; the TRS-80 was. Every small town in America had Tandy&#x27;s Radio Shack stores, and even if Radio Shack had a reputation for selling toys and gizmos as opposed to computers, it had a reputation. As a startup, Apple didn&#x27;t. Commodore wasn&#x27;t as well known as Tandy but was an established calculator and office-equipment company, with its own semiconductor fab that produced the 6502 CPU that Apple and other rivals used.<p>And, in fact, until about 1980, the TRS-80 dominated the market (as the article states). What happened?<p>* The disk drive. All three computers only used tape storage in 1977, but their makers soon provided disk drives. Tandy&#x27;s drive is a horrible, unreliable kludge. Commodore&#x27;s PET disk drives are gigantic monstrosities that are fast and reliable[1] but far too expensive. Steve Wozniak&#x27;s Disk II is a combination of a brilliantly simple and reliable disk controller, and inexpensive-to-make (and thus highly profitable) drive mechanism, that still run well today, 40 years later.<p>* Third-party products. The TRS-80 came with a superb BASIC tutorial, but Tandy otherwise kept all software technical information secret,[2] hoping to monopolize third-party development.[3] Radio Shack stores were not allowed to sell non-Tandy products, and couldn&#x27;t carry third-party publications like <i>80 Micro</i> that by default became the major way companies sold TRS-80 products (since other retailers didn&#x27;t want to compete with Radio Shack stores). Since corporate policy prevented Radio Shack clerks from admitting that third-party magazines or products existed (even while a Tandy executive wrote a regular column for <i>80 Micro</i>, and the company regularly advertised in its pages), the only way a TRS-80 or Color Computer customer knew of this gigantic ecosystem&#x27;s existence is if a friend told him, or he happened to walk by a newsstand with <i>80 Micro</i> or <i>Rainbow</i> magazine.<p>Commodore&#x27;s Jack Tramiel never ever understood the importance of software development, and the PET fell far behind Tandy and Apple in the US; until the VIC-20 in 1980 most of Commodore&#x27;s computer sales were in Europe and Canada, where Apple and Tandy didn&#x27;t compete.<p>Compare this to Apple, which published everything needed to create software and hardware for the II. Its slots invite engineers to design cards. A very important factor in the II&#x27;s early popularity was school districts buying it to run educational software from MECC like <i>Oregon Trail</i> and <i>Lemonade Stand</i>. But this was not inevitable. A teacher or administrator in a rural school district in 1979 looking to purchase computers would naturally look to the Radio Shack in town, but would only have found incredibly crude Tandy-published software. Even with such handicaps Radio Shack had a substantial portion of the educational market, which after 1980 quickly eroded until 1985, when Tandy had an unexpected second computer boom driven by the PC-compatible Tandy 1000.<p>* VisiCalc. Because of the above, VisiCalc was written for the Apple when market share should have caused it to be written for TRS-80 (Dan Fylstra of Personal Software, VisiCalc&#x27;s publisher, was one of the first owners of the TRS-80). Being only available for Apple massively drove sales of the II; for the first time, people bought a computer to run a specific killer app, as opposed to the other way around. In turn, others chose the II to develop for.<p>Even after 1980, when Apple had clearly gained sales momentum, Tandy still had the bulk of the installed base. <i>80 Micro</i>&#x27;s December 1982 issue &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;80-microcomputing-magazine-1982-12" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;80-microcomputing-magazine-1982-...</a>&gt; has 484 pages. I&#x27;m pretty sure no Apple magazine ever came close to that thickness; the only other computer magazines in history to be that thick are 1) <i>PC Magazine</i> before it went bimonthly in 1984 after the December 1983 issue hit 800 pages, and 2) <i>BYTE</i>. Wayne Green, the publisher of <i>80 Micro</i>, had by that time written editorials in almost every single issue pleading with Tandy to encourage third-party developers. Tandy didn&#x27;t relent until the Model 16, introduced that year, had zero third-party software after six months. But by then it was too late.<p>As fat as they are, reading Tandy magazines like <i>80 Micro</i> and <i>Rainbow</i> &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;rainbowmagazine-1983-12&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;rainbowmagazine-1983-12&#x2F;</a>&gt; from the early 1980s is like visiting a sad and barren alternate world; instead of Origin, Sierra, MicroProse, and SSI, there are much cruder-looking ads from tiny companies offering bad clones of popular arcade games.<p>... And yet, despite its many, many mistakes, Tandy got a second chance with the Tandy 1000! As the article discusses, it was <i>the</i> best-selling low-cost PC compatible from 1985 onward. It was so popular that software boxes routinely stated that they were compatible with &quot;IBM&#x2F;Tandy&quot;. So popular that game developers routinely made sure that their products were &quot;Tandy compatible&quot;; that is, support Tandy&#x27;s special graphics and sound features.[4] In the second half of the 1980s Tandy was arguably #2 in PC compatibles after Compaq, and clearly #1 among everyone, including IBM and Apple, in the home market. There was no reason whatsoever for Tandy and its gigantic distribution and retail network to lose out to Gateway and fellow Texan Dell ... But, of course, it did. So, yes, Tandy blew not one but two separate leads in the computer industry within a decade. That takes talent.<p>[1] Two virtues Commodore&#x27;s later drives did not retain<p>[2] Read this <i>BYTE</i> article from two years after the TRS-80&#x27;s release &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;byte-magazine-1979-08&#x2F;1979_08_BYTE_04-08_LISP#page&#x2F;n81&#x2F;mode&#x2F;2up" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;byte-magazine-1979-08&#x2F;1979_08_BYT...</a>&gt;, which a) discusses how to implement machine language graphics and b) complains about the complete lack of Tandy documentation that motivated the author to write the article in the first place.<p>[3] It&#x27;s clear in retrospect that TRS-80 was intentionally designed to not be compatible with the existing 8080&#x2F;Z80 standards. ROM&#x27;s location in the memory map broke CP&#x2F;M compatibility, and the expansion bus is not S-100 compatible.<p>[4] Actually PCjr-compatible, which the original Tandy 1000 was designed to clone