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California can't save every burned town

72 点作者 prostoalex超过 2 年前

12 条评论

thaumaturgy超过 2 年前
This is kind of a weird op-ed. It frames this as though the costs are all red marker, but the costs of rebuilding include labor and materials and help to reinvigorate local economies. I&#x27;m sure there is a net cost, but it has been serviceable so far.<p>Insurance isn&#x27;t mentioned at all in the article. WUI areas have become nearly impossible to insure, even if you&#x27;re doing all the things right for making your property fire-resistant (and most homeowners in these areas aren&#x27;t). As long as California&#x27;s housing market stays red-hot, there will still be another sucker willing to pay for California&#x27;s state-insurance-plan-of-last-resort, but someday, somehow, something&#x27;s gonna change and all of a sudden a lot of people won&#x27;t be able to afford homeowner&#x27;s insurance, and that&#x27;s going to gut a lot of the fire-prone small towns.<p>Newer state building codes are much more fire-resistant. Structures in the town of Paradise that had been built in the last 10 to 15 years largely all survived, even when all neighboring buildings were destroyed. New construction going into these places isn&#x27;t going to burn the same way the old construction did; future costs will be less devastating, and it takes time for fuels to build up to the levels necessary for apocalyptic events.<p>The state, also, is slowly getting less dumb about preventative fuel maintenance and the issues around prescribed burning are getting worked on.<p>&quot;Should these places exist at all&quot; is about as fair a question as whether Phoenix or Las Vegas or New Orleans should exist, but it&#x27;s kind of a boring argument because there&#x27;s no state-run central planning that is going to forcibly relocate everyone or refuse to rebuild any of them again.<p>A more interesting question is, &quot;what do the changing conditions over the next 10 years mean for where <i>I</i> should live?&quot;
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crooked-v超过 2 年前
&gt; Residents of rural communities are “pissed off,” Weber said with her characteristic, sometimes foul-mouthed frankness. “They feel the pain that they no longer can live the life they wanted to live.”<p>This quote makes me tremendously unsympathetic. The overwhelming majority of people have to compromise their lives in one way or another, and &quot;have you considered living in a small town that <i>isn&#x27;t</i> in a wildfire zone&quot; is hardly anything compared to what some people have to deal with.
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burlesona超过 2 年前
What would make sense, but I think be laughed out of the room, is to build back a few of these towns as fortified villages with substantial fire-breaks maintained around them. You could preserve a small town life with abundant wilderness around, but it would probably make more sense to consolidate many of these tiny places (less than 1k people) into something like a handful of small towns of 10k.<p>But I don’t think the folks who live in rural CA want to live in a European-style village with big fields separating them from the woods, they want to live <i>in the forest</i> and away from other people.<p>I don’t think it’s wrong to allow people to take risks if they know what they are getting into. At the same time, there’s a point where it doesn’t make sense for the state to socialize the cost of rescuing &#x2F; protecting people who choose to take that level of risk.
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01100011超过 2 年前
People need to take the CalFire defensible space guidelines seriously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fire.ca.gov&#x2F;programs&#x2F;communications&#x2F;defensible-space-prc-4291&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fire.ca.gov&#x2F;programs&#x2F;communications&#x2F;defensible-s...</a><p>Drive into any nice, quaint community at the interface between wilderness and development and you&#x27;ll see homes surrounded in close proximity by fire vulnerable vegetation. I get it, it looks nice. But there&#x27;s no way you should be able to get insurance if you allow it.<p>Not only that, many of these mountain towns are serviced by a limited number of roads, sometimes only one. A wall of fire can easily overtake the population even with advanced warning due to traffic issues.<p>Climate change is a threat, but fire is also part of the CA ecosystem in many places. It isn&#x27;t going away and we need to be intelligent in how we anticipate and deal with it.
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ahaucnx超过 2 年前
One solution could be to make the building code much stricter and only allow to build houses that are build with materials that could survive a wild fire much better [1].<p>These houses would most likely be a lot more expensive to build but could be offset by surviving wildfires. Additionally if these houses are buiild with thicker walls they can retain heat in winter and remain cool enough in summer that air-conditioning is less needed.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;12&#x2F;realestate&#x2F;disaster-proof-housing.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;11&#x2F;12&#x2F;realestate&#x2F;disaster-proof...</a>
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bourgeoismedia超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apple.news&#x2F;A8aiwLR-iQ7GKarGTp6nU6Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apple.news&#x2F;A8aiwLR-iQ7GKarGTp6nU6Q</a>
MichaelCollins超过 2 年前
If you think California is dry now, you ain&#x27;t seen nothing yet. It&#x27;s going to get a lot dryer. Plan for it, or regret it.
mitchbob超过 2 年前
Archived: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;3xpgv" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;3xpgv</a>
radium3d超过 2 年前
Sounds like something an insurance company that just wants to receive money but never pay out would say
tjr225超过 2 年前
It is a completely absurd conundrum. You can’t on one hand be a libertarian turd living in the fire interface demanding independence from taxation and government and on the same hand demand support from the government when you have to deal with the realities of the situation you created for yourself.<p>I have sympathy for anyone who has lived through a disaster because I have as well.<p>The only feeling I had after my disaster was that I wish my government was better funded and more well run because the haphazard mess we have now is wildly dysfunctional. That and a little anxiety but it gets better.<p>Don’t live in the west in the mountains if you aren’t prepared for wildfires. It’s beautiful, sure, but it is wildly unsustainable. You are more or less on your own.
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JetAlone超过 2 年前
&gt;Which ones should make the cut, and why?<p>Favour the ones that openly support coastal policies. You get to keep living where you want, at considerable cost, if you say what we want. Hey, it could even be a <i>paradise</i> in those mountains, put in some kind of high speed rail for quick access to a nice golf course nearby, drum up some business and let some big deals take place there.
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mistrial9超过 2 年前
The opening paragraphs here make it clear that this is a representative of greater Los Angeles speaking about public budgets used for Northern California construction. If anyone has any doubt about the orders of magnitude difference in spending and taxation between those two, lets review:<p>* Los Angeles Basin estimated population - 13 million<p>* Plumas County 2020 regional population - 19,790<p>and for YNews interest, there is something odd about that one county<p>Here is an excerpt from notes on the Planet Explore 2022 event Day 1:<p>The first section featured Will Marshall, co-founder and astro-geek. Will&#x27;s stage performance was not bad, considering he had 20 long minutes of rehearsed script to read on stage, alone to a camera. The one odd thing I would call out is that the co-founder of Planet, on stage, in a perfectly scripted and rehearsed presentation, mysteriously misnamed the California county that &quot;requested imaging from Planet.&quot; (the county was named Plymouth by Will, but there is no Plymouth County here.. the real name is Plumas perhaps? for the Dixie fire?) Speaking of the Dixie fire .....<p><i>edited for brevity</i>