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Google postpones MV2 shutoff in Chrome stable to June 2023

305 点作者 ghostwords超过 2 年前

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twhb超过 2 年前
Don’t mistake this for victory. Google’s standard playbook when forcing things people don’t like is to spread the action out over a longer timeframe, exhausting the media and keeping the final blow mostly out of the news, and exhausting our individual outrage and will to keep fighting. It works every time, and it’ll work again if we become complacent again. Until and unless Google meaningfully commits to <i>never</i> neuter ad blockers, it’s still critical and urgent that we switch to Firefox.
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lapcat超过 2 年前
The postponement was practically inevitable. Manifest v3 is a slow moving train wreck. Extension developers know it isn&#x27;t ready and won&#x27;t be ready by January.<p>Happy holidays to me, I can kick this can down the road too.<p>Look at some of the known issues: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.chrome.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;mv3&#x2F;known-issues&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.chrome.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;mv3&#x2F;known-issue...</a><p>Userscript managers support<p>Estimated timeline: Canary support around October, 2022.<p>Service workers are not started in response to webRequest events<p>Estimated timeline: Targeting Canary support before October, 2022.<p>No way they were going to be ready to disable v2 in January for the stable channel.
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jupp0r超过 2 年前
So I was actually trying out uBlock Origin Lite [1] (the MV3 compatible version) as my daily driver for the past week and I must say it&#x27;s not that bad. I had to manually enable content access for a handful of sites but doing so on an opt-in basis and getting more performant experience on 98% of other sites is actually something I&#x27;m going to use going forward even if MV2 compatibility gets pushed further into the future.<p>I wonder how long things will stay that way though, when sites will tailor their tracking&#x2F;ad annoyances to exploit the MV3 limitations. I really wouldn&#x27;t want to opt into every single site I visit.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gorhill&#x2F;uBlock&#x2F;releases&#x2F;tag&#x2F;uBOLite_0.1.22.9285" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gorhill&#x2F;uBlock&#x2F;releases&#x2F;tag&#x2F;uBOLite_0.1.2...</a>
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xtacy超过 2 年前
While this is in part a good news, they are still not accepting MV2 extensions to the Chrome Web Store, even as unlisted&#x2F;private extensions. There is no change to that policy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.chrome.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;mv3&#x2F;mv2-sunset&#x2F;#:~:text=Public%22%20or%20%22Unlisted%E2%80%9D-,no%20change,-January%C2%A02023" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.chrome.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;mv3&#x2F;mv2-sunset&#x2F;...</a>
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pineconewarrior超过 2 年前
The &#x27;switch to firefox&#x27; meme-storm and the still-horrible bugginess of mv3 made this inevitable.
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zgreen超过 2 年前
This one has been a show-stopper for many folks trying to upgrade to MV3: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.chromium.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=1271154" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.chromium.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=127115...</a><p>It&#x27;s been marked as fixed, though only &quot;for the moment&quot;. There&#x27;s a somewhat similar MV2 issue: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.chromium.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=1316588" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.chromium.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=131658...</a>. Both have been active for a while.
bagels超过 2 年前
I really tried to give Firefox a go last week because of the threat of losing UBlock Origin.<p>I almost committed, but there is a many-years-old bug in Firefox that they haven&#x27;t fixed which won&#x27;t let you use alternate audio devices for webrtc, which made it so I couldn&#x27;t use google meet with my headphones.
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lxe超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s too late, I switched back to Firefox and it&#x27;s been good so far. Performance-wise, I think Chrome still has advantages though.
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olso超过 2 年前
Great! Proxy extensions live to see another day <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32899846" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32899846</a>
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gnicholas超过 2 年前
Interesting they&#x27;re saying &quot;may&quot;:<p>&gt; <i>Starting in June in Chrome 115, Chrome may run experiments to turn off support for Manifest V2 extensions in all channels, including stable channel.</i><p>They&#x27;re giving themselves wiggle room on this instead of saying they&#x27;re just straight up going to turn it off (or even committing themselves to starting to phase it out at that point).<p>Also, they&#x27;re showing support for MV2 extensions through Jan 2024, as long as they&#x27;re marked Private. That&#x27;s huge — I&#x27;m considering scrapping our update for now and just waiting to see how this all unfolds until then. Most of our users come from our website, and I can just link them to Private instances of our extension in the Store. (Also, our extensions are fairly mature, and we can go a year without submitting an update.)<p>I have no need to be Google&#x27;s guinea pig as they sort out this mess!
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danpalmer超过 2 年前
Is there a good (more objective? less emotional?) breakdown of the issues with, and I assume also the benefits of, Manifest V3?<p>So far all I&#x27;ve heard is that it&#x27;ll destroy ad-blocking, except that it sounds to me like the ad-blocking abilities it has are fairly close to Apple&#x27;s content blocking abilities, and while ad-blocking on iOS isn&#x27;t perfect, it&#x27;s still a thriving ecosystem.
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panny超过 2 年前
I made my first foray into web extensions with mv3 on chromium recently. I thought, maybe it&#x27;s fine since I have nothing to unlearn. Nope. mv3 is terrible and nothing works. Every example of something I want to do is in mv2 and doesn&#x27;t work at all in mv3. The attempt has killed any desire I have to write a webextension at all.
davidgerard超过 2 年前
&gt; This change will give Chrome users increased<p>ads
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xyzal超过 2 年前
Sometimes I wonder where are we headed. My bet is digitally signed pages that chrome refuses to render in case of failed integrity check.
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lemoncookiechip超过 2 年前
Does anyone know if MV3 will affect add-ons such as Greasemonkey&#x2F;Violentmonkey, Stylus. It&#x27;ll be pretty hard to live without those on the web as it is now.<p>Obviously uBO and noScript would be bigger losses, but those seem to be taken care of on Firefox and some other Chromium browsers.
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ulfw超过 2 年前
Good. Gives people another nine months to finally ditch Chrome to any browser of their choice not owned by an ad company.
rektide超过 2 年前
There&#x27;s so many bad awful downgrades to life in MV3. The amount of issues &amp; unsolved cases grows significantly month after month, but the only commits to the webextensions spec are meeting notes, where problems &amp; horrors are abundant &amp; vicious. Nothing is improving, nothing is getting better, no visible progress to heal or help is apparent visible or coming. This is a deathmarch project and it will never ever emerge from this valley of death, will never restore a fraction of what it in it&#x27;s total ignorance took away.<p>This isn&#x27;t an evil move, it&#x27;s just a dumb one. The kerfuffle over adblockers is obvious &amp; huge, but ultimately MV3 will definitely do something to make adblocking acceptable. Google is not going to make themselves look like a monster; this is perhaps the only &quot;good&quot; (one giant neutral nothingburger on both sides) news.<p>But my god, the other people being hit with various degredations are in such a hell-grade nightmare pickle. Userscript extensions are still fully hosed (ed: recent movement in issues spotted[1]!). Running dynamic code via Function (a common speed optimization for performance critical JS systems) or eval is still outlawed. Extensions lifecycle is far less clear &amp; persistent than it used to be, and there&#x27;s thousands of people who simply don&#x27;t have an extension runtime to hold state for them anymore. Extensions used to be able to use a wide variety of &quot;page&quot; style APIs which are all now suddenly missing and &quot;limited event pages&quot;[2] and &quot;offscreen pages&quot;[3] arent making visible progress.<p>Meanwhile there&#x27;s seemingly no visible advantages to users here. This 24th hour rewrite of what a webextension is (right before it&#x27;s specified (rather than a tacit slowly evolved semi-agreement)) seems to serve a primarily abstract&#x2F;rarely-experienced security concerns, while reducing extension power enormously. There&#x27;s been no one to negotiate this trade-off. Extension developers have gotten nothing, users have gotten nothing, and extension capabilities have shrunk enormously. Personally I&#x27;d like to see the proprietary closed extension-store maintainers do a more active job of weeding out, helping us see good from bad, or giving us tools to peer-moderate, rather than simply shutting the door on the most critical user-agency boosting system, at the most critical 24th hour.<p>There&#x27;s endless web spec discussions that go on, but this is the most enormous &amp; massive re-negotiation of power the web has ever seen. So far, it&#x27;s going poorly for everyone except the extensions-store operators, who seem chiefly to be concerned about making their jobs easier in the future, by making extensions far less capable. I can feel real &amp; good intent underneath that: this isn&#x27;t being done because of bad will. But the visible effects, the impact, is cruel: how could short lifecycle service workers with far less api &amp; far less capability[4] be seen as anything less than a boldfaced theft of user-agency? To be honest: it&#x27;s unclear how such a deeply impotent position as this was ever proposed or considered. Change is super hard, change management is hard, but this was not a good footing to start on.<p>Adblocking will be ok. This isn&#x27;t evil. But this is for sure a much deeper, far more complicated fiasco of the highest &amp; most critical importance to the web.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;279" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;279</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;134" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;134</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;170" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;170</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;72" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;w3c&#x2F;webextensions&#x2F;issues&#x2F;72</a>
waynesonfire超过 2 年前
This seems like exactly why Google built a browser. Pay off took many years.<p>What will Brave do?
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zac23or超过 2 年前
I have Edge, Firefox and Chrome installed. Firefox, on my machine is slow as hell. Edge freezes or is super slow on some sites like Youtube.<p>For a few years, I will need to use Chrome.
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CuriouslyC超过 2 年前
Too late, already switched to brave...
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bullen超过 2 年前
I just renamed update.exe (chrome complains about that when you boot it once), simple if you can live without the eternal update cycle they (FMAANG) are pushing down our throats since hardware does not improve anymore.
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