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AltaRock Energy Melts Rock with Millimeter Waves for Geothermal Wells (2020)

68 点作者 rfreytag超过 2 年前

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mNovak超过 2 年前
As an RF engineer, this is a very creative application of mmW and I hope can be successful, but is not without very significant challenges which the company has made no claims to have solved. The issue is, mm-waves (and all high frequency RF really) are very sensitive to distance and losses. As a random example [1] gives some numbers for theoretical and precision machined waveguides in these frequencies. In the very best case we&#x27;re talking about 0.03dB&#x2F;cm loss. That means in the first meter of ideal waveguide you&#x27;ve lost half the power! And not just disappeared, you just dumped 0.5MW into the pipe itself, meaning it would likely melt within minutes. Meanwhile, their concept is to bore 20km into the earth.<p>The only way I could imagine this working is to lower the gyrotron itself down the borehole, but there&#x27;s presumably tradeoffs of physical dimensions and output power that make it challenging. Again maybe not impossible, but there&#x27;s no indication they&#x27;ve made fundamental advances in miniaturizing the source, or producing lossless waveguide.<p>Related, another interesting company I came across is Petra [2], who is doing something similar -- plasma&#x2F;heat based non-contact drilling. But because they fracture the rock instead of vaporizing it, there&#x27;s essentially gravel&#x2F;sand leftover which is hard to evacuate from a deep vertical shaft, hence their focus on power&#x2F;fiber trenches not geothermal.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrao.edu&#x2F;meetings&#x2F;isstt&#x2F;papers&#x2F;2012&#x2F;2012151153.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrao.edu&#x2F;meetings&#x2F;isstt&#x2F;papers&#x2F;2012&#x2F;2012151153.p...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petra.cc&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petra.cc&#x2F;</a>
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TrevorJ超过 2 年前
It seems pants on head crazy that a mere 20 feet or so below the ground it&#x27;s a livable and pretty comfortable temperature year round, virtually worldwide. And yet we spend an enormous amount of money, time and energy heating and then cooling our living spaces by almost any other means possible. Yes, the occasional home has geothermal, but the fact that it&#x27;s still the exception baffles me. Heck, if you have a well or even city water then you are already piping 55-degree fluid into your living space and a lot of the complicated work is already done.<p>I get that there are some tough engineering challenges involved, but as a species we don&#x27;t seem all that interested in solving them relative to the effort we&#x27;ve put into many other endeavors.
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danans超过 2 年前
mmWave geothermal is exciting because it can in theory allow for geothermal baseload power anywhere, not just places that have near surface volcanic heat like Iceland.<p>Big questions remain about it&#x27;s technical and economic viability though.<p>So far I think they have only demonstrated melting a hole through a couple meters of rock, and as with all such things, the levelized cost is what matters in the end.
scoopertrooper超过 2 年前
AltaRock has gone a bit quiet, but the technology is still progressing at pace. Here is a more recent article about Quaise (a spinoff from AltaRock).<p>They’re still in lab testing, but they’re having promising results and aim to start field testing next year.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.mit.edu&#x2F;2022&#x2F;quaise-energy-geothermal-0628" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.mit.edu&#x2F;2022&#x2F;quaise-energy-geothermal-0628</a>
Animats超过 2 年前
<i>&quot;Project partners say they hope to start drilling in real-world test sites before the grant period ends in September 2022.</i>&quot;<p>OK, what happened?
fnordpiglet超过 2 年前
This is a more recent article (8&#x2F;22) about this company and it’s affiliate<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg25533992-500-millimetre-wave-beams-could-give-us-access-to-deep-geothermal-energy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newscientist.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;mg25533992-500-millimet...</a>
bilsbie超过 2 年前
Could this be used for tunneling too?
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CrInhabitant超过 2 年前
how much can you do in 7 years? 2016 = <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9qaOIyb2TWE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=9qaOIyb2TWE</a>
chatterhead超过 2 年前
&quot;AltaRock estimates that just 0.1 percent of the planet&#x27;s heat content could supply humanity&#x27;s total energy needs for 2 million years.&quot;<p>Ummm.. What?
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