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Authors’ names have ‘astonishing’ influence on peer reviewers: study

437 点作者 respinal超过 2 年前

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emacsen超过 2 年前
When I was an undergrad in college, I helped design a study on the role of gender perception in expertise.<p>We had a piece of text that the subjects (undergrads) would read and rate the expertise of. We had the same text but we randomized whether the name would be a commonly male name, a commonly female name, or initials.<p>We also randomized if they&#x27;d watch a clip of men&#x27;s sports beforehand (men&#x27;s basketball), women&#x27;s sports beforehand (women&#x27;s basketball), or no sports. And finally we randomized whether the person giving the subjects instructions would be a young woman (one of my classmates) or a young man (me).<p>Our small study showed what you&#x27;d expect- students- men and women students rated male writers more highly than female writers, and initials were right in the middle, though they tended to be more like responses for men.<p>The tester&#x27;s gender made no difference that we found.<p>The sports thing made a measurable difference, but it didn&#x27;t reverse the skew.<p>My 18&#x2F;19 year old self was somewhat skeptical we&#x27;d find a difference, but I was totally wrong. It taught me a lot about bias and perception, which this study also shows.
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epolanski超过 2 年前
As a former researcher with multiple high-impact publications I can 100% confirm it:<p>- when I was a researcher in Italy for an unknown lab, all of our articles were generally very scrutinized and went through years of reviews before publication<p>- when I worked in Michal Graetzel[1]&#x27;s laboratory things get published much more easily on more higher impact journals with less scrutiny. Not only most of the publications didn&#x27;t really add much to the scientific knowledge, but they didn&#x27;t even have the very high standards required when I was in Italy<p>Why is this bad? You get more funding the more you publish...So labs that publish easier due to the names involved get much more money...which they can use to publish even more and get even more money...which they can use to publish even more...<p>There&#x27;s excellent scientists anywhere, really. But funding, fame and politics are extremely asymmetric in academia.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Michael_Gr%C3%A4tzel" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Michael_Gr%C3%A4tzel</a>
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keithwinstein超过 2 年前
Double-anonymous&#x2F;blind reviewing is completely standard in most areas of computer science, e.g. networking (SIGCOMM, NSDI, IMC, HotNets, MobiCom, MobiSys), systems (OSDI, SOSP, USENIX ATC, HotOS), security (Usenix Security, S&amp;P), machine learning (NeurIPS and ICML), graphics and HCI (SIGGRAPH and CHI), and at least some top-tier theory conferences (like FOCS).<p>So I think most computer scientists would agree with the article&#x27;s conclusion that double-anonymous reviewing, while flawed, is better than the alternatives. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve done a non-anonymous submission in 10 years, and as a reviewer, usually I don&#x27;t have a strong guess about who wrote the paper (and when I think I know, often I turn out to be wrong). It&#x27;s a little annoying that this news article in Nature Magazine ignores the longstanding widespread prevalence of this practice in a conference-driven (but... we like to think important) academic discipline. :-)<p>But: (1) I don&#x27;t think the big benefit of double-anonymous reviewing is that a lousy paper from a Nobel laureate (or, from CMU&#x2F;Berkeley&#x2F;MIT&#x2F;Stanford) isn&#x27;t let in unfairly. To me the big benefit seems to be that reviewers have to review every paper <i>as if</i> it might be from their friends or a famous person, and consequently have to review each paper with due care and try sincerely to understand its contribution, which maybe they wouldn&#x27;t do if they knew it&#x27;s from some random place&#x2F;author they&#x27;ve never heard of or don&#x27;t think highly of. I think the way it affects judgment may be more in equalizing time&#x2F;effort spent to read and understand a paper (and the generosity you give a paper because &quot;maybe&quot; it was written by your friend or somebody you respect), rather than a straight-up bias towards liking whatever the faculty at a famous university are writing about this year.<p>(2) While I do think it&#x27;s true, and a good thing, that double-anonymous reviewing helps &quot;marginalized groups of authors who often struggle to have their work see the world&quot; as the lead researcher says, we should probably acknowledge that authors are not the <i>only</i> beneficiaries of a scientific publication. The interests of the reader matter too -- the journal or conference has <i>some</i> duty to serve them. On the margin, maybe some readers would be more interested to learn what Albert Einstein is thinking about these days, or would like to see a well-balanced conference program that includes a good talk by a known-provocative speaker, instead of one more random (but adequate!) paper from a nobody. I&#x27;m not saying we should give a huge weight to this -- it&#x27;s fine to make people eat their vegetables, but, I don&#x27;t think we should act like scientific publication is only to give authors a line on their CV and the readers&#x27; preference is 100% irrelevant. A scientific journal shouldn&#x27;t <i>exclusively</i> serve the authors. (Other kinds of media care way too much about what the reader wants, e.g. Facebook giving you whatever it thinks will keep you clicking things on Facebook, but there is probably a happy medium somewhere.)<p>(3) The challenging frontier may be in grant submission and reviewing, where proposers are typically <i>not</i> anonymous to the reviewers, which surely leads to some biases. I have heard about government programs where they did use double-anonymous reviewing and it seemed weird to me. (Probably this is a situation where track record should matter, yet trying to summarize your own track record while remaining effectively anonymous seems really hard...)
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jedberg超过 2 年前
It blows my mind that peer reviews aren&#x27;t done blind. Not only is there this geneder bias but also bias of &quot;I know that person they&#x27;re famous I&#x27;m sure their work is good&quot; or &quot;I&#x27;ve rejected their paper in the past&quot;.<p>Seems like an easy fix would be to make all peer reviews blind.<p>In fact, for any study that gets federal funding, they should have to publish their hypothesis ahead of time into an escrow system, submit their paper to the same system, and then get blind peer reviews (blind in both directions) where the reviewer gets to see only the initial hypothesis and the paper with the names&#x2F;institutions removed.<p>And of course all the papers should be available for free. Maybe the government could pay reviewers directly for their time, but I haven&#x27;t thought that one through yet.
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Test0129超过 2 年前
Very common for anyone who has ever spent time in academia. When I was still in grad school I noticed a trend in some major mathematical and CS journals where a lot of time it would be the same N people writing articles. This was driven home when my advisor told me &quot;without such and such&#x27;s name this paper has no chance of making it past review&quot;.<p>Non-sense. However, for all the people that say &quot;trust the science&quot; this is the science you&#x27;re working with. It&#x27;s politics all the way down just like everything else. For example, if Knuth decided to post some utter garbage chances are it would accepted based on his name alone.
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magicalhippo超过 2 年前
A while back I subscribed for The Economist on a whim. I&#x27;m not really into economics, but I felt they provided a nice alternative view of what was going on elsewhere in the world compared to what the local news here in Norway reported.<p>One thing I quickly noticed was that the articles were never signed by the authors directly. I found this striking, but also refreshing. It caused me to pay more attention to what was said. And, as I later found out, that seems to be the main intention[1]:<p><i>The main reason for anonymity, however, is a belief that what is written is more important than who writes it. In the words of Geoffrey Crowther, our editor from 1938 to 1956, anonymity keeps the editor &quot;not the master but the servant of something far greater than himself…it gives to the paper an astonishing momentum of thought and principle.&quot;</i><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;the-economist-explains&#x2F;2013&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;why-are-the-economists-writers-anonymous" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;the-economist-explains&#x2F;2013&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;...</a>
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insane_dreamer超过 2 年前
This reminds me of a bias I saw on Quora, where some popular contributor gets tons of upvotes by fans regardless of whether their answer is any good or not (often you have to dig deep into the comments to find out that it&#x27;s not a good answer). (I should qualify that I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s still that way; I started using it when it was first launched and then quit 6-7 years ago once it started turning into a fanboi and you-upvote-me-I-upvote-you club.)
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chatterhead超过 2 年前
We have to come to terms with this.<p>Academia was bought and paid for long ago and the money was used to build an incredibly broken and overly political bureaucratic engine of scholarly and scientific work that doesn&#x27;t get anywhere near as much peer-review scrutiny as it should and commands far more respect in politics and legal proceedings than we should allow.<p>Universities and experts are the best we can do sometimes so we have to rely on it, but it doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s truth or absolute and people like to use it as if it is to sell ideas like global warming instead of educating people on climate change.
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hardtke超过 2 年前
Fairness and efficiency are often at odds. As a reviewer, I was sometimes asked to review papers from unknown authors at unknown institutions. My level of effort was likely proportional to how well I knew the quality of the institution from which the paper came. There is a great deal of time involved in understanding a paper well enough to do a full review.
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hedora超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that there are still non double blind publications that count for tenure cases.<p>This does explain some of the recent and embarrassing [lack of] retractions of Nature papers though.
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jll29超过 2 年前
This is true even when grading school exams: teachers recognize the names of &quot;bright&quot; students and lean towards more positive grades.<p>That&#x27;s why anonymous grading - and in scientific publishing, double-blind peer review is so important. It&#x27;s part of the scientific progress just as much as replication, the attempt to re-produce results of a study post-publication by other groups (I wish papers&#x27; PDFs had a QR code to a Web page that said &quot;double-blind review by x people, replicated by y groups&quot; - the latter changes over time so it&#x27;s better tracked externally).
didgetmaster超过 2 年前
It seems to me that some subjects are so specialized that the group that makes up one&#x27;s &#x27;peers&#x27; is fairly small. How do they have real anonymized reviews when it becomes easy to recognize the writings of the author? The more papers that someone writes, the easier it would be for their peers to recognize the writing style and other quirks that would give the author away.
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popol12超过 2 年前
After reading the article, I feel like the HN title should rather be « Authors’ status » instead of « Authors’ names ». I expected the study to be about gender inequalities but it’s actually about author prestige (is the author famous or not). I often just read HN title without reading the underlying article, and I wonder how many times I’ve got wrong in my interpretation of what the core of the information was
uptownfunk超过 2 年前
How is double blind not the norm? there is just too much room for bias
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shadowgovt超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m not sure what we&#x27;re supposed to find astonishing about academics (like most of humanity) being vulnerable to reputation biases in their reasoning.<p>As in, that would be the null hypothesis. It would be astonishing if most academics overcame it.<p>EDIT: apparently, the size of the effect (factor of six more likely to be accepted if it came from a Nobel Prizewinner) is larger than anticipated.
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nashashmi超过 2 年前
I saw a tweet by a researcher who sent her work for peer review and got feedback that she should read more works of xxxxx and revise her work.<p>Great feedback, she thought, because She was xxxxx.
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a3_nm超过 2 年前
This is an interesting article but it contributes a bit to terminological confusion about reviewing modes.<p>First, the article talks about &quot;double-blind reviewing&quot; as being &quot;logistically hard&quot; because reviewers can &quot;find the paper in a Google search&quot;, and talks about a &quot;price tag&quot;. By contrast, many conferences around me implement so-called &quot;lightweight double-blind&quot; reviewing, which takes zero effort and just means that the authors and affiliations are not mentioned on the copy of the paper that reviewers read. I think this form of double-blind is a no-brainer, eliminating some bias with essentially no downside; and that discussions about the cost and complexity of double-blind reviewing are a distraction from this immediate improvement.<p>Here is a typical paragraph from a call for papers (here, STACS 2023) describing the policy:<p><pre><code> As in the previous two years, STACS 2023 will employ a lightweight double-blind reviewing process: submissions should not reveal the identity of the authors in any way. The purpose of the double-blind reviewing is to help PC members and external reviewers come to an initial judgment about the paper without bias, not to make it impossible for them to discover the authors if they were to try. Nothing should be done in the name of anonymity that weakens the submission or makes the job of reviewing the paper more difficult. In particular, important references should not be omitted or anonymized. In addition, authors should feel free to disseminate their ideas or draft versions of their paper as they normally would. For example, authors may post drafts of their papers on the web, submit them to arXiv, and give talks on their research ideas. </code></pre> Second, the article talks about &quot;open review&quot; as meaning &quot;everyone’s identity is public&quot;. This is sometimes what the term means, but not always -- for instance the OpenReview.net platform &lt;<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openreview.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openreview.net&#x2F;</a>&gt; supports forms of open reviewing where the reviewers are still anonymous. Here &quot;open&quot; means &quot;the discussion happens in the open, and everyone can post comments about the paper and reviews and contribute to the discussion&quot;. Here again, I feel that the discussion about &quot;open reviewing&quot; with non-anonymous reviewers is drawing attention away from this model which looks like a net improvement over the status quo.
whatever1超过 2 年前
Of course it does. Professors with high caliber research run tight ship and their labs publish consistently high quality work.<p>It does not mean that reviewers lower their bar when assigned a paper from a famous professor, they just know a priori that the work will not be completely scam.
mfsch超过 2 年前
I’m a bit conflicted about the goal of separating the “hard, cold, objective” science from “soft, warm, subjective” things such as reputation and trust. It may be the case that some publications can be perfectly evaluated based purely on the text of the manuscript, but in most of the work I’ve read and written there are countless little details that are not discussed in the text. The manner in which the authors have handled such details can greatly affect the quality of the research. How carefully did they write the one-off script that produced the figure? How closely did they follow the study protocols? How much did they look out for issues that might undermine the results? Such an evaluation may only be possible after following the work of an author over time and perhaps through direct collaborations.<p>In practice, we may get better outcomes if peer reviewers completely ignore these aspects and evaluate all papers purely based on what’s on the page. But I don’t think it is obvious that any reliance on trust and reputation should be derided as bias to be eliminated.
seydor超过 2 年前
This is not surprising of course. What has changed probably is that science over the past 20 years has become more &quot;social&quot;, but not in a good way. Since there are so many good scientists everywhere, people get ahead by using any means to make their science more public, mostly through conferences, organizing conferences, pursuing various committees and subcommittees, befriending journal editors, the press, and of course social media plays a part in this, but not alone. Antisocial people will have a hard time.<p>Where to start here? What do we want the purpose of publishing and peer review to be? Out of all this publicity dance, which part gets distilled into the solid foundation of science? I do think this whole journals&#x2F;publishing&#x2F;conference&#x2F;apply-for-funding thingy is a bit too ancient and incremental, and more radical solutions would be nice to try. I think fundamental to this is the structure of funding, do we really want small funds going to individual small PIs, or maybe more independence, or less independence ...
cycomanic超过 2 年前
I find it ironic that this is published in Nature. In may experience Nature journals are amongst the worst with respect to peer review.<p>In my field they seem to draw from a very limited set of reviewers (often senior academics who have not worked in the specific field in quite a while). We have been criticised with very outdated information. This is worse because editors are not experts, we had a reviewer contradict textbook established science and when we asked for an additional reviewer, they send it back to the same person.<p>Even worse, their goal is not publishing good science, they want to sell journals. While they will never publicly admit it, I know that they take the into account the reputation of an author in their decision to send it out to reviewers (for those who don&#x27;t know, in the high impact journals like science or nature, the biggest hurdle is typically getting the editors accept the paper and send the paper out to review).
29athrowaway超过 2 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SCIgen#Schlangemann" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SCIgen#Schlangemann</a><p>&gt; In 2008, in response to a series of Call-for-Paper e-mails, SCIgen was used to generate a false scientific paper titled Towards the Simulation of E-Commerce, using &quot;Herbert Schlangemann&quot; as the author. The article was accepted at the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE 2008), co-sponsored by the IEEE, to be held in Wuhan, China, and the author was invited to be a session chair on grounds of his fictional Curriculum Vitae.
stevebmark超过 2 年前
Also relevant: &quot;Cognitive ease&quot; from &quot;Thinking Fast And Slow.&quot; We often attribute information as higher quality if we&#x27;re able to recall related information with more ease. Importantly, this happens regardless of the quality of the information. One study they point out is people exposed to random nonsensical words later ranked the words they saw the most frequently as being &quot;better&quot; than ones they saw less.<p>It sounds like a related bias of automatic thinking here. There&#x27;s some cognitive ease in recognizing the author, so your bias kicks in that this is better than if you didn&#x27;t recognize the author.
1vuio0pswjnm7超过 2 年前
This such a strange headline. It is not the authors&#x27; names that have the effect, it is the authors&#x27; past work.<p>For example, having done work in the past that was the subject of a Nobel Prize might have an &quot;astonishing&quot; influence. Having the name &quot;James&quot; would not not likely have an astonishing influence.
minifridge超过 2 年前
Skimming through the article, it fails to mention that journals have some power to assess systematic reviewer biases based on their past history. If reviewers are systematically more permissive towards specific people&#x27;s work, then good science is not their objective.<p>So, essentially it can be viewed as a diversity problem in the reviewer space. The journals have important responsibility on this and they can not present as neutral observers of this phenomenon where they say : &quot;oh every peer reviewing model has problems &quot; and blame reviewers ethos that they are choosing.
jwmoraes超过 2 年前
Isn’t the article confusing correlation with causation? I read like there’s a correlation between acceptance rate and author’s pedigree, but the article sounds like the pedigree is the cause of the high acceptance.<p>I’m no expert, so please correct if I’m wrong. But for example, how likely is that a Nobel prize winner produces worth-publishing research? Or how likely he is simply good at the skill of paper writing?
kristopolous超过 2 年前
I wonder if anyone changed their name to something like &quot;Maxwell Einstein&quot; or &quot;Shannon Turing&quot; for an advantage
prepend超过 2 年前
That’s odd. I don’t do a lot of peer review, but when I do the authors names are masked. Sometimes I can figure it out based on the citations, but I haven’t reviewed any papers where the author’s name is listed.<p>That being said an author isn’t published randomly in Nature, so I expect subsequent papers from an author to be better, on average, than non-Nature published authors.
techas超过 2 年前
Good that the study is done and it gets published. But the result is obvious and well known. The terrible part is that the solution is also well known (double blind process) but there is no interest to implement it in most journals. Editors have to defend their field from outsiders… editorials do not care as long as money keeps flowing in…
anonym29超过 2 年前
&quot;A Nobel prizewinner is six times more likely than someone less well known to get a thumbs-up for acceptance, finds study.&quot;<p>Lifehack discovered: legally change your name to that of a Nobel prizewinner if pursuing academia.
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ogarten超过 2 年前
This shouldn&#x27;t be surprising to anyone who has ever worked in academia. Certain names have it much easier to publish than others. It&#x27;s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Double-blind reviews aren&#x27;t common in all fields (e.g. everything IEEE) which leads to a lot of bias right from the start: Seniority, country, university, ...
bergenty超过 2 年前
That’s what we want in society right? Perks for doing hard work and then being recognized for it. That’s what “street cred” is. Maintaining a reputation is hard work and the fast pass and acknowledgment from the broader society is your reward.<p>As in this person has more than proved himself, let’s not vet him as much.
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papito超过 2 年前
I seriously wonder how people would receive the Go language if they had no idea about the people behind it.
jsemrau超过 2 年前
This is known. Hence, when we were building the peer-reviewed moderation &#x2F; curation function for finclout we only show the content. While in selected cases the poster is identifiable, for most users the decision is done only based on content.
refurb超过 2 年前
We yeah. At least in science, it’s a small world and reviewers often know the authors personally.<p>And your reputation follows you. If it’s a big-name lab who has an amazing track record, you’re going to review the paper in the context of their entire body of work.
silexia超过 2 年前
Nothing Nature publishes now can be trusted as science; they added new rules that they won&#x27;t publish anything counter to their political opinion.
kleiba超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve done research at one of the top universities for NLP in Europe and there&#x27;s a commonly held believe amongst many of my peers that conference acceptance has more or less degraded to a random process.
lpolovets超过 2 年前
This is how VC firm halos work. When Sequoia or Benchmark invest, tons of investors want to squeeze into the round -- almost regardless of the fundamental attributes of the company.
shaburn超过 2 年前
Wow. So branding works on human scientists. Shocking.
Nokinside超过 2 年前
Every paper Albert Einstein submitted to anonymous peer review was rejected.<p>(he had only one peer anonymous reviewed paper and it had an error)
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indus超过 2 年前
“Association of popular&#x2F;celebrity angels with your startup increases the odds of your Series_A fundraise round.”
kingkawn超过 2 年前
Wait a minute, does this mean that the entire conceit that this culture produces a superior form of truth is a hollow lie?<p>Duh
diedyesterday超过 2 年前
Is that surprising?! That&#x27;s a kind of optimization with not always optimum results.
spoonjim超过 2 年前
I would expect a much higher than sixfold increase in paper acceptances by winning the Nobel Prize. Why wouldn’t there be a massive lift? Even if you can’t personally see why this result is important you know that one of the biggest contributors to the field thinks it’s interesting. That’s a pretty credible signal in a noisy world.
version_five超过 2 年前
Elon Musk tweets something stupid and it gets discussed. You or I do it and it&#x27;s ignored. Celebrity is a thing, nothing odd going on
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anm89超过 2 年前
Is anyone surprised by this?
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throwaway5371超过 2 年前
also has astonishing influence to get invited to a job interview<p>i had a friend who changed their name in their CV and got 90% success rate, and was close to 10% before
daguava超过 2 年前
greg rutkowski and alphonse mucha are about to become top-tier scholars
aussiesnack超过 2 年前
That an economist finds human behaviour that every normal human would expect &quot;astonishing&quot; is itself not remotely astonishing.
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j7ake超过 2 年前
Is it any different to podcasts, concerts, and books?<p>People will choose what they listen, see, or read heavily based on who the performer is.<p>A performer who has consistently given good content will obviously have a bigger pull than a nobody still trying to get their first break.
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