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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

275 点作者 nudpiedo超过 2 年前

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rsync超过 2 年前
My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have <i>loudly</i> proclaimed that having a &quot;green bubble&quot; would be <i>worse than death</i>.
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eatsyourtacos超过 2 年前
I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are.<p>That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don&#x27;t believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don&#x27;t give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works.<p>So I guess you win Apple.. but it&#x27;s criminal that a <i>vast</i> reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it&#x27;s &quot;broken&quot; with SMS to some degree.
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fortylove超过 2 年前
I tried avoiding the iPhone bandwagon for practically a decade, going from flip phone to the HTC Droid Incredible, to some HTC M&lt;#&gt;, to Samsung S4, and then a series of Pixel phones, starting with the OG Pixel, and ending with the Pixel 3.<p>I have to say: besides a few clunky swipe experiences, the iPhone is better in every single way. The camera opens when I click the camera button. The phone pairs wonderfully with my airpods. With Android, the camera would inevitably lag after pressing the button, sometimes taking 10+ seconds to load, and making me miss a photo.<p>I don&#x27;t miss Androids&#x2F;.
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neaden超过 2 年前
This claim seems a little odd to me. I searched more about it and found this article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;appleinsider.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;22&#x2F;01&#x2F;06&#x2F;gen-z-survey-says-87-of-us-teenagers-own-an-iphone" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;appleinsider.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;22&#x2F;01&#x2F;06&#x2F;gen-z-survey-says...</a> from January saying the exact same thing as this fall survey, and this article form 2020 which says it was 86%: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalinterest.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;techland&#x2F;apple-rules-86-percent-teens-own-iphone-170260" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalinterest.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;techland&#x2F;apple-rules-86-pe...</a> . I can&#x27;t find an estimate for teen iPhone ownership besides this company but this just seems very high to me when you account for teens without a phone as well as non-iPhones. In comparison from what I can find about half of adults own an iPhone. The fact that it is this high and stable for several years seems suspect to me.
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bloqs超过 2 年前
Americans, do people not use whatsapp over there? In Europe everyone uses whatsapp for literally everything, with a sprinkling of Telegram if you are into something a little subversive and Signal if you actually care about privacy.<p>The only time I use text&#x2F;sms is to recieve codes for things, and I&#x27;m doing that less and less.
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frant-hartm超过 2 年前
When I was a teenager and mobile phones became widely available everyone had Nokia, Siemens or Sony-Ericsson, depending on how well-off the family was, it was either the old or new model. But we customized the phones as much as we could - custom ring melodies, screensavers, custom covers, if the phone didn&#x27;t allow that then at least some stickers. Everyone wanted to be unique, go against the social norm.<p>Android phones are arguably equivalent in terms of functionality for what today&#x27;s teenagers use (whatsapp, tiktok and camera), but offer much wider variety and a chance to stand out.<p>Why do the current US teenagers follow the herd in this regard?
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eternityforest超过 2 年前
This stuff scares me a bit, both because green bubble culture is creepy, and because I really do not want iOS to become the dominant mobile OS just as Android is becoming one of the most amazing platforms out there.
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bmitc超过 2 年前
I have never understood the arguments that Apple doesn&#x27;t have a monopoly or monopolies and thus should get away with all the anti-trust violations they get away with. They definitely have monopolies when it comes to market power and influence, even if Android phones (which are split across several manufacturers) have a larger worldwide market share.
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CollinEMac超过 2 年前
This is surprising but I&#x27;m more surprised by the finding that &quot;26% of teens own a VR device&quot;<p>Is VR really getting that popular?
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albertopv超过 2 年前
I see a lot of heat over SMS. In Italy almost no one stil use SMSs, they are basically dead. Almost all use Whatsapp, Telegram or both, no one use iMessage, not even iPhone owners, because smartphone market is much more balanced towards Android phones.
b0tch7超过 2 年前
I&#x27;m an Android lifer and Apple&#x27;s refusal to open iMessage is why I will not own an iPhone. That said, I&#x27;d willingly pay $5-10&#x2F;mth for iMessage on Android. Apple has a number of services on Android now (including Apple Music &amp; TV), it irritates me to no end they refuse to support this
elif超过 2 年前
The biggest concern I have from this is how comfortable the next generations will be in walled gardens where they are unable to look under the curtain let alone tinker.
chadd超过 2 年前
... this is why Apple should be investigated for Anticompetitive behaviors regarding app store policies and iMessage interoperability.
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csdreamer7超过 2 年前
So I have owned an Android all my life and never daily driven an iPhone. The iPhone (edit forgot the iPhone part) screen seems more responsive and very bright and colorful. To me the freedom of an unlocked phone I can put my own apps on is very important for me for Android. Why should I get an iPhone?<p>edit: not sure most teens care or are unaware of Android&#x27;s around 3 years support length for a phone.
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tristor超过 2 年前
Interestingly, I am a heavy Apple user, and I am trying to convince my teenage daughter and wife to use iPhone and have offered them iPhone and Apple Watch, and they have strongly preferred to stay on Android. I think it&#x27;s unsurprising most people use &#x2F; want to use an iPhone in the US, because it has a network effect with iMessage and it&#x27;s clearly a superior experience for the average person. But, globally that network effect doesn&#x27;t exist, so it makes sense in a more international sense that many people would prefer being in the Android ecosystem.<p>The claim doesn&#x27;t surprise me, but I definitely think it shouldn&#x27;t be taken as universal.
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syntaxing超过 2 年前
Used Android since like the original HTC phone in my early teens, owned probably 6-7 android phones in my life (majority Google since the good old Nexus days). My first iPhone was the 12 and as of now, I think my kids first phone will be an iPhone. The walled garden is annoying and monopolistic but an iPhone just works. 2 years later, my iPhone is still going strong and I don’t even want to change my phone for the near future. They’re just built better and supported better. My family relentlessly complain about the Pixel 6 heat issues and plans on “upgrading” a year later.
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znpy超过 2 年前
I switched to the iPhone and, under some aspects… it’s so much better. I had an iPhone for on call duty previously.<p>If you see the phone as just a tool, the iphone has no rivals.<p>It either can or cannot do something. You don’t have to evaluate seven different brands.<p>The ui is okay, and once you get used to it you’ll 99.9% recognise the ui in the next iphone.<p>It’s small! The iphone se is beautifully small. Yet fast and snappy.<p>And the next time I can get the next iphone without thinking too much. Which is huge. Xiaomi today might be good, and xiaomi tomorrow might be trash. Same for samsung. Same for pixel.<p>No wonder.
nemothekid超过 2 年前
I love how the loudest criticism is &quot;Apple is making teenagers feel bad with green bubbles&quot;.<p>I will gladly take that over the next generation being completely plugged into the ad tech surveillance machine.
ilamont超过 2 年前
My kids have iPhones because they inherit ours when we upgrade. I suspect it&#x27;s the same with many other parents. And: Much easier to provide support, share photos, reimburse them&#x2F;send money, and do many other things that would be frustrating with Android.<p>I remember when Steve Jobs apologized to parents for unapproved in-app purchases and promised to do something about it. And they did. That resonated with me. I think the company still cares, as evidenced by its support options and privacy requirements.<p>When I still bought Android devices they tended to be problematic. Probably HTC and Xiaomi were the best designed, but updates were a pain especially on the Hongmi. LG camera sucked. Google Nexus had screen problems and eventually bricked, with no support options. I think I got my son a &quot;Blu&quot; phone at one point, which just had bad performance. Was happy to give him my iPhone 6 and move up to an 8.
xwdv超过 2 年前
Green bubbles are disgusting, to the point where you won’t be allowed to certain events or parties if you RSVP with a green bubble. You’ll just never get a response back, don’t even bother. It’s a way to gate keep. There is even an androidphobic slur for those who text in green bubbles, that I won’t repeat here. Ask your kids.
vyrotek超过 2 年前
Our whole family and extended family only have Android. Our kids all get the free Android phones.<p>As for me and my house, we shall never own Apple products.<p>People can get what they like, but I struggle with the cognitive dissonance of &quot;Everyone should just get iPhones, it&#x27;d make everything easier&quot; and &quot;Oh no why is &lt;company&gt; acting evil with their monopoly?!&quot;. I like choices. I wish Windows Phones could have stuck around longer.<p>We&#x27;ll ultimately get what we deserve as consumers. Is it any surprise FB wants to be the Apple of VR? We&#x27;ve shown we like our cozy premium walled gardens and are willing to be abused.
vlan0超过 2 年前
Want more data? I&#x27;ve got a campus with roughly 60k unique devices. 50% are iOS. Another 20% are MacOS. Android is 7%.
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nbzso超过 2 年前
There is no sane technologically educated person who will buy Apple or Google phone. It is obvious that the smartphones are data gathering and control tools for the surveillance economy. Degoogled smartphone with limited usage is the safest bet for now. Apple computers are still valuable, when configured properly, but I don&#x27;t have a high hopes for the future. Apple will lock whatever they can to &quot;protect&quot; the bottomline and expand the Imperium.
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asciimov超过 2 年前
Best things about the iPhone:<p>- long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates<p>- AppleCare<p>- better build quality than cheap android devices<p>- Reasonable expectation that required software will support it<p>- Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don&#x27;t<p>- Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I&#x27;m really salty that my android phones had to be rooted and have another OS installed just to get basic security updates after 12-18 months.
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thenoblesunfish超过 2 年前
I switched from iPhone to Android (Fairphone 4) recently, but my reasons for doing so prove the point, I think. I was willing to give up a slicker UI and a nice camera (and getting-a-bit-too-much-now postprocessing) in order to have more control over my audio files. But this thing wasn&#x27;t cheap and to 99% of teens I assume it would not be worth it, even disregarding social pressure.
robertwt7超过 2 年前
Even if people said that apple lacks innovation after Jobs, what they have done here in market penetration, branding, and ecosystem is brilliant. I don’t even know how they did it, they just keep creating new stuff in the ecosystem that makes it so hard to switch out once you’re in it<p>The visionary should be rewarded. Maybe that’s Tim? He does a far better job compared to the other ceo of big tech companies..
apexalpha超过 2 年前
Kinda makes me glad we have WhatsApp dominance in Europe.<p>For all it&#x27;s faults at least we&#x27;re not trapped in an Apple Ecosystem where all other phones still use SMS!<p>I haven&#x27;t sent an SMS in maybe 13 years. It&#x27;s amazing it&#x27;s still so widely used in the US because of iMessage lockout.
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noobermin超过 2 年前
I&#x27;d like to challenge this narrative somewhat, why do people care about what teens like exactly? I&#x27;ve heard for years (EDIT: decades, as long as I have been alive) teens are a &quot;coveted demographic,&quot; but teenagers, especially today hardly have any disposable income. Why is some sense of &quot;popularity&quot; valuable, which is somehow valuable enough to be its own category apart from <i>sales</i>, a quantity that I thought would be much more important.<p>Wouldn&#x27;t being popular amongst people who actually buy your things more important? iPhones are definitely popular, but they are profitable not just because they are popular, but that they are popular at the price point they are.
wizofaus超过 2 年前
That&#x27;s kinda surprising given apparently it was only a few months back that iPhone&#x27;s market share finally surpassed Android in the U.S., and it bodes pretty well for Apple&#x27;s long term future - are there stats on how often people change between Apple&#x2F;Android (and is it predominantly in a particular direction)? (FWIW I think I went through two iPhones 15 years ago when they first came out I guess, but found their screens overly prone to getting smashed and switched to Android&#x2F;Samsung, lots of reasons I doubt I&#x27;d ever switch back now, though it&#x27;s certainly not impossible).
Animats超过 2 年前
That&#x27;s scary. That&#x27;s sucking a huge amount of money out of parents&#x27; pockets.
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rodolphoarruda超过 2 年前
This could be just another index for measuring a country&#x27;s wealth. Percentage of teens who own an iPhone. I like that. Here in Brazil, the price of some iPhone models is greater than 1 year of the national minimum salary.
seydor超过 2 年前
I have a different take than most here. Let&#x27;s face it the devices are pretty good in both platforms. Apple does the basic stuff fast, but doesnt even support the other stuff because it&#x27;s a prepackaged experience. Androids are very versatile and have some convenient features (secure folder, headphone jack, sometimes better cameras etc). The primary reason for apple is the brand recognition and lifestyle choice. Many people think they d look &#x27;amateurish&#x27; holding an android. It s an uber-popular fashion item. And kids are a ton more sensitive to peer pressure
JasonFruit超过 2 年前
What I don&#x27;t see discussed in here is why we should care what phone teens, particularly, have. Teen preferences are largely built on what&#x27;s popular right now; it&#x27;s not as though I&#x27;m still wearing untied high-tops and carrying a boom box. Do we have any evidence that this particular early preference carries on to adult life, when it&#x27;s they who are making the purchase with money they have earned? Do we think teen technology preferences have influence on other age groups?<p>In short: What&#x27;s the point here?
mmis1000超过 2 年前
I guess it is something people outsides of American can&#x27;t reason about. SMS here is like 10cent USD per message (Taiwan). No one is using it outsides of verification codes now. People all use line, fb, wahtsapp or whatever network based IM. Because You can get a infinite data traffic plan with a decent price like 20USD&#x2F;month.<p>Besides that. You don&#x27;t really want to give other your phone number unless you know them well. IM&#x27;s identity is disposable unlike phone number.
deng超过 2 年前
Also of note:<p>&gt; Weekly usage of VR devices moved to 14% from 17% last Spring; 26% of teens own a VR device (flat vs. Spring 2022)<p>I find these numbers actually more surprising, but I hear VRChat is really popular.
kyriakos超过 2 年前
Is this green bubble a US teens thing? Personally never heard a person in real life complaining about it. Maybe cause people here use WhatsApp, viber, telegram etc
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decafninja超过 2 年前
I am always surprised by stories like this. I&#x27;m part of several distinct, mostly non-overlapping social circles. The majority of people in all these circles are iPhone users. But none of these circles use iMessage as the chat app.<p>I&#x27;m in NYC, so it&#x27;s not like I&#x27;m in some obscure corner of the planet either.
dang超过 2 年前
Related:<p><i>iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33169684" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33169684</a> - Oct 2022 (70 comments)
ivanjermakov超过 2 年前
Green bubble bullying is worrying.<p>Interesting to see how widespread this is outside of US. I guess it&#x27;s heavily correlates with iPhone user share.<p>In where I&#x27;m from most peers adopted Telegram in the past 5 years.
cryptos超过 2 年前
If this statistic is true, it would mean that Google&#x27;s Android will have a poor future - at least in the USA.
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ajross超过 2 年前
It&#x27;s just a line in the article, the data isn&#x27;t provided. This is the source of the headline quote:<p>&gt; 87% of teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone; 31% of teens own an Apple Watch<p>And sorry, but that&#x27;s just laughably wrong. Even in my teen&#x27;s upper middle class school of tech scions, the penetration of any kind of phone sits somewhere around 50%. And I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve even seen a smart watch on these kids.
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lordofgibbons超过 2 年前
If I could install Firefox with ublock origin plugin on iOS, I&#x27;d switch today.
werber超过 2 年前
I wonder why their sample was heavily weighted in the south
j3s超过 2 年前
to everyone who thinks that the green bubble&#x2F;blue bubble thing matters a ton - most teens don&#x27;t text, they just use snapchat.
connectsnk超过 2 年前
Is there no one who feels that kids shouldn’t have iPhones until they are 18 and don’t accidentally put information online that leads predators to them?
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pessimizer超过 2 年前
I&#x27;ve been assured that we still can&#x27;t call it a monopoly until it&#x27;s at least 120% (accounting for yearly turnover.)
hankman86超过 2 年前
It’s about status more than anything else. A teen‘s greatest fear is that owning an Android makes you un-effable.
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laurentoget超过 2 年前
If that is true, wouldn&#x27;t that be a de facto monopoly which Apple could be sued for?
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noasaservice超过 2 年前
If iOS was properly supported on Linux, I&#x27;d use one.<p>But it&#x27;s not.
Thaxll超过 2 年前
&quot;26% of teens own a VR device&quot;<p>Sounds very strange.
the_third_wave超过 2 年前
Well, religion sells, that much is clear. Who ever said that the younger generation were not religious? They are, they just changed their object of devotion.<p>Meanwhile my daughters use second-hand Android phones running AOSP-derived distributions, as do I myself. Only my wife - who has a company-issued Samsung Galaxy A40 which they do not want me to mess with - runs a stock distribution but I did manage to tame the beast by disabling snoopy Samsung &quot;services&quot; and installing an ad-blocking local VPN firewall. They haven&#x27;t complained yet so I guess we&#x27;re good to go.<p>For the price of <i>a single second-hand iPhone SE2</i> (around $200 where I live (Sweden)) I could buy both my daughter&#x27;s phones as well as my own. Still these Android devices offer far more useable features than that iPhone and they&#x27;ll last longer as well if my 11 year old Motorola Defy which I use daily is anything to go by [1]. It still gets 3 days on a single charge, running the original battery - which is replaceable if so needed.<p>Instead of iMessage we use mostly Telegram plus some XMPP as a backup in case Telegram goes bad. My oldest daughter also has Whatsapp installed but hardly ever uses it. Our data is kept on the server-under-the-stairs, out of reach of greedy data hogs like Apple&#x2F;Google&#x2F;Microsoft&#x2F;etc. The Invidious server (also under the stairs of course) keeps Youtube ad-free, our own mail server (under... you guessed it) keeps our mail from being harvested by data parasites, etc.<p>Just like iPhones often are stepping stones to largely Apple-dominated monocultures so these AOSP-derived Androids can be stepping stones to free software households. I do know which of these I prefer. There is only one system left here running Windows, this being my wife&#x27;s company-issued laptop.<p>The moral of this post is that parents do have some influence over their children&#x27;s choices <i>if they start early enough</i>. By the time they reach their early teens they are far more focused on what their friends do so make sure to inculcate a healthy distrust of Big Data and its marketing practices - green bubbles and all - in them. If it worked for us, it can work for you.<p>[1] The Defy was marketed as being &#x27;IP67 waterproof and shockproof&#x27;. My oldest daughter used to have a Defy as well. She left it in her trouser pocket when she dumped those trousers in the washing and started the cycle. One complete cycle (at 40°C) plus 1200 RPM spin cycle later she found it - it was still working... The damage? I replaced the earpiece, for the rest it just worked. I&#x27;m using that device as a remote-controlled media player now. While rather underpowered and short on memory the thing still works fine as a &quot;dangerous work&quot; phone. You won&#x27;t like browsing the Javascript-encumbred web on it though...
alkonaut超过 2 年前
The reasons my kids have iPhones can be summed up as<p>1) I use iPhones so I get a new one every 2.5-3 years or so.<p>2) The phones last long enough (performance, battery life, OS support) that when I get a new one, my kids are perfectly happy to take over my old one.<p>Let’s face it, kids don’t choose phones their parents do. When you become a teenager these days you are probably on your second or third smartphone. At least if you got the first one at age 7-10 somewhere, you probably didn’t decide between Android and iPhone, your parents did. It doesn’t matter so much then whether it’s a status symbol or what color the text bubble is. You chose a platform long ago.
JPKab超过 2 年前
My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn&#x27;t know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays).<p>The &quot;green bubble&quot; crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my Pixel is most obnoxious because it&#x27;s entirely Apple&#x27;s choice to have that.<p>However, no question that teens are incredibly status conscious. After all, Abercrombie and Gap built massive businesses slapping labels on shitty goods and marking the price up by 1,000%. Nike as well.
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gtvwill超过 2 年前
1&#x2F;3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT&#x2F;Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that&#x27;s how it&#x27;s playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It&#x27;s like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxic level of vanity and a lack of technical literacy amongst the teens.
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